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This is a comments thread about FSM CD: Miklós Rózsa Treasury
 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2012 - 9:02 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

Poor Lukas. He doesn't deserve any of this criticism.

Of all the entrepreneurs in the soundtrack business I think he was the most patient and took the most risks since his first FSM album in 1998, putting out a reasonable 3000 copies per release, with often 20 releases a year, more often than not with little prospect of a quick return. Most of these releases sat there, month after month, year after year, but being a soundtrack lover himself, Lukas did this primarily for soundtrack lovers like you and me. He set the benchmark for great production values and well-researched and informative booklets with complete track-by-track liner notes.


I wouldn't dispute that. I just think it's a fair point that in this particular case, a different approach might have been warranted. That's all.

 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2012 - 9:08 PM   
 By:   w-dervish   (Member)

I wouldn't say Lukas should be villified but I think in fairness, you can make a case that these actions are not 100% blameless. ...the implication was more that the remaining 500 would be pressed which was how I read it... I can understand why some people are a little annoyed at this point.

I did not use the word "vilify". That's ridiculous. I simply responded to the individual who said he blamed himself. I don't blame myself. I read what Lukas said about pressing the additional 500 copies and figured I had time to pick this very expensive set up later.

I just made an expensive purchase that included the Superman box set (plus a free copy of the Lassie set). If I had known the 500 copies Lukas SAID he was going to manufacture were not going to be manufactured... I would have purchased the Treasury instead.

So what if it was available for 2 years? It wasn't selling fast... obviously. It was on my list of things to buy eventually. It wasn't as if this was just another $20 single disc release.

Also, I don't know anything about an "entity [who] is responsible for [forcing] FSM to scrap parts instead of utilize them", I looked at the link TJ gave and I see nothing that suggests there is some other party that should be blamed. I don't know what he's talking about.

Anyway, there is still a little hope. I haven't heard anything about my order from Movies Unlimited. I wonder how long before they tell me they don't have it? Anyone successfully place an order with them (get shipping confirmation or a charge to your credit card?).

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2012 - 9:23 PM   
 By:   TJ   (Member)

I looked at the link TJ gave and I see nothing that suggests there is some other party that should be blamed. I don't know what he's talking about.

Are you blind?

Screen Archives Entertainment has been financing FSM's productions for seven years, per Lukas in his many blogs. Why would the Rozsa set be any different than the Raksin?

Nobody will ever know what the arrangement is between those entities and it's nobody's business - I don't really care - but the information that has been presented to us is all we have to go off of.


You can choose to believe that Lukas decided of his own free will to throw away excess units of an important project that he already had in process, I choose not to believe that.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2012 - 9:45 PM   
 By:   Ahab51   (Member)

Poor Lukas. He doesn't deserve any of this criticism.


I couldn't agree more. Thanks for the excellent post.

 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2012 - 9:48 PM   
 By:   w-dervish   (Member)

Are you blind?

Obviously I'm not blind. I wouldn't be able to read and respond here if I was. I'm not a mind reader and didn't know what other entity you were referring to. The page you linked to doesn't say (or suggest) Screen Archives demanded Lukas cut the run short.

You can choose to believe that Lukas decided of his own free will to throw away excess units of an important project that he already had in process, I choose not to believe that.

I'm not choosing to believe that. I never suggested anything of the sort. First I've got to correct someone who says I'm "vilifying" Lukas, now someone suggests I think Lukas threw away inserts that were already printed for no reason. I have no idea what took place "behind the scenes" that lead to the decision to not print the last 500 copies.

All I know is that Lukas SAID the additional 500 would be pressed. I placed an order based on that information (deciding to get the superman box, a purchase I'd been putting off for some time). I don't think it's my fault for missing out because I believed what Lukas said.

 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2012 - 9:52 PM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)


Please see my new blog post as I explain what's going on here. I can't say it will please everyone but maybe you'll understand why I seemed to change my mind—there's some business stuff that's out of my hands.

Lukas

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2012 - 10:05 PM   
 By:   TJ   (Member)

Please see my new blog post as I explain what's going on here. I can't say it will please everyone but maybe you'll understand why I seemed to change my mind—there's some business stuff that's out of my hands.

Lukas


I'm incredibly glad that the situation isn't what I assumed it was.

I love reading these kinds of blogs and you never see them from any other label. Ever.


I can't imagine 8 pallets of CD artwork. SAE must be a huge place.

 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2012 - 10:33 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

The explanation in this case was necessary and is appreciated. I commend Lukas for providing the details explaining this.

 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2012 - 10:54 PM   
 By:   Anthony Marose   (Member)

Well, I was going to be buying a couple of these for my birthday (my Dad has the same birthday as me), and -- well, there goes that idea. I cannot believe it has disappeared on such short notice. Such a set, and now its possibly gone from so many's reach. This sucks.

 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2012 - 10:56 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

Well, I was going to be buying a couple of these for my birthday (my Dad has the same birthday as me), and -- well, there goes that idea. I cannot believe it has disappeared on such short notice. Such a set, and now its possibly gone from so many's reach. This sucks.

That's Showbiz!

 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2012 - 4:18 AM   
 By:   Jonathan   (Member)

Well, I guess what it comes down to is: what do I really want, what are my priorities? Of course Lukas mentioned that the last 500 would be pressed. There were over 2 years to get this box and then we had 1 month in which we knew how many were sold and how many left. We knew that 89 were at hand, the rest would be only pressed "when needed" (http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/daily/article.cfm/articleID/6766/FSM-Catalog%E2%80%94Low-Quantities-Report-Part-9-CD-Vol.-12-2009/). Prioritize!

And even after that announcement and one month later only 16 more copies were sold. So Lukas also got the impression that another 500 will not be needed or even wanted. That's OK. He made the call with reasonable facts at hand.

So Lukas said: That's it. 73 is all that's left. And anybody who wanted one had another 10 days to get one plus a couple more at various other online stores. Plus this thread has been on page one of the board for almost the last 2 weeks.
I mean, that's totally fine with me. There was more than enough time to get what you want. Enough time to prioritize.

All I can say to that is: I have to blame myself if I have missed this box.

 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2012 - 4:59 AM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

Well, I was going to be buying a couple of these for my birthday (my Dad has the same birthday as me), and -- well, there goes that idea. I cannot believe it has disappeared on such short notice. Such a set, and now its possibly gone from so many's reach. This sucks.

People had plenty of time to get this plus warnings that the final 500 would not be manufactured and regular updates as to how many were left. Those who still missed it have only themselves to blame.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2012 - 6:24 AM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

Outstanding points, George Komar. Well done all around.

Agreed.


Seconded.

 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2012 - 6:36 AM   
 By:   Chris Rimmer   (Member)

Outstanding points, George Komar. Well done all around.

Agreed.


Seconded.


Thirded ( if there is such a term)

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2012 - 7:11 AM   
 By:   jonathan_little   (Member)

And even after that announcement and one month later only 16 more copies were sold. So Lukas also got the impression that another 500 will not be needed or even wanted. That's OK. He made the call with reasonable facts at hand.

"We have made 1,500 box sets and have 89 in stock; we have parts to make another 500 and will do so when needed."

I hope the parts for the final 500, if they do exist, find a purpose beyond being landfill material like so many other artifacts throughout film score history.

 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2012 - 7:56 AM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)


Please see my explanation!
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/daily/article.cfm/articleID/6785/Why-the-Rózsa-Box-Sold-Out-at-1500-Not-2000-Copies/

Lukas

 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2012 - 8:21 AM   
 By:   Anthony Marose   (Member)

Please see my explanation!
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/daily/article.cfm/articleID/6785/Why-the-Rózsa-Box-Sold-Out-at-1500-Not-2000-Copies/

Lukas


Lukas, as a self-confessed packrat, I'm certain you have a few extras in your private collection. How much money will it take for me to buy two of them off ya? A grand each?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2012 - 10:20 AM   
 By:   jonathan_little   (Member)

Please see my explanation!
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/daily/article.cfm/articleID/6785/Why-the-Rózsa-Box-Sold-Out-at-1500-Not-2000-Copies/

Lukas


Sorry Lukas, I'd missed that before I started whining.

 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2012 - 11:31 AM   
 By:   w-dervish   (Member)

Jonathan: All I can say to that is: I have to blame myself if I have missed this box.

I take it you didn't miss out. Because you say "if". Or you didn't want it. I don't understand the point of your post. To pour salt in the wounds of people who did miss out?

Anyway, in regards to blaming you... that sounds good to me. I'll blame YOU too.

 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2012 - 12:58 PM   
 By:   David (Giacchino-fan)   (Member)

Jonathan: All I can say to that is: I have to blame myself if I have missed this box.

I take it you didn't miss out. Because you say "if". Or you didn't want it. I don't understand the point of your post. To pour salt in the wounds of people who did miss out?

Anyway, in regards to blaming you... that sounds good to me. I'll blame YOU too.



Please, STOP whining. You missed it: so did a lot of other people (like me). Besides, Lukas didn't promise or swear to make 2000. That was just the plan. When he decided NOT to print all 2000 copies, he put out a notice on FSM for everyone to read. Plans change, and blaming the man who did everything he could to make sure no one missed out is the wrong plan.

 
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