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 Posted:   Nov 2, 2010 - 9:29 PM   
 By:   EdG   (Member)

Utterly, gloriously fantastic news. Huge, barbarian-sized thanks to everyone involved.

Could we get larger cover art for CONAN and LAWRENCE?

 
 Posted:   Nov 2, 2010 - 9:38 PM   
 By:   Loren   (Member)

One thing is sure: 2010 is the soundtrack collector's ANNUS MIRABILIS
This is just a selection of the wonders of the year:

expanded BACK TO THE FUTURE
complete BLUE MAX
ISLAND IN THE STREAM
BLACK SUNDAY
LLL THE POSEIDON ADVENTURE
expanded BIG TROUBLE IN LITTLE CHINA
LLL DRAGONSLAYER
expanded CLEOPATRA JONES
expanded OUTLAND
STRAW DOGS
expanded STAR TREK III: THE SEARCH FOR SPOCK
expanded MAD MAX BEYOND THUNDERDOME
LLL KRULL
expanded ROBOCOP
PREDATOR
SPACECAMP
Perseverance RED SONJA
expanded ALIEN RESURRECTION
UNCOMMON VALOR
the ELFMAN/BURTON anniversary box

and... CONAN !

post edit: I blame myself for having forgotten STNG THE RON JONES PROJECT !

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 2, 2010 - 9:49 PM   
 By:   Peter G.   (Member)

One thing is sure: 2010 is the soundtrack collector's ANNUS MIRABILIS
This is just a selection of the wonders of the year:

expanded BACK TO THE FUTURE
complete BLUE MAX
ISLAND IN THE STREAM
BLACK SUNDAY
LLL THE POSEIDON ADVENTURE
expanded BIG TROUBLE IN LITTLE CHINA
LLL DRAGONSLAYER
expanded CLEOPATRA JONES
expanded OUTLAND
STRAW DOGS
expanded STAR TREK III: THE SEARCH FOR SPOCK
expanded MAD MAX BEYOND THUNDERDOME
LLL KRULL
expanded ROBOCOP
PREDATOR
SPACECAMP
Perseverance RED SONJA
expanded ALIEN RESURRECTION
UNCOMMON VALOR
the ELFMAN/BURTON anniversary box

and... CONAN !


and the scary thing, at least for our wallets, is all of the great releases that you didn't mention.

 
 Posted:   Nov 2, 2010 - 10:03 PM   
 By:   FilmMusicFan   (Member)

@ James Fitzpatrick:

Thank you so much for this re-recording! smile

I guess you were not able to license the movie poster or what's the reason for not having Schwarzenegger on the cover of this CONAN album?



 
 
 Posted:   Nov 2, 2010 - 11:41 PM   
 By:   JamesFitz   (Member)

This is re-recording is really great news! I ordered this this morning (along with 'Lost: The Final Episodes' (Giacchino) and 'Jackboots on Whitehall' (Michelmore) and I can't wait to get this. I would have been perfectly happy if Tadlow's only re-recordings were 'The Alamo' and 'Lawrence of Arabia' (which turned into one of my top 5 scores after the new re-recording) but now we get a third one! Many thanks to the gang at Tadlow for putting this one out.

I must say that I have a hard time understanding why some people are not open to hearing re-recordings of scores. Even though I can somewhat understand the argument that a re-recording is not going to sound exactly as the composer intends, I always like hearing different interpretations of my favorite music. As a big fan of classical music, I always go out and seek different recordings of pieces (there are some pieces that I have six + recordings of) because it helps keep the music 'fresh.' One could say what is the point of doing a re-recording if it HAS to sound EXACTLY the same as the original? Great music is supposed to be performed and interpreted in different ways and I only wish that there were more re-recordings of film music out there.


And of course JACKBOOTS is also the City of Prague Phil Orch

 
 Posted:   Nov 3, 2010 - 12:43 AM   
 By:   BasilFSM   (Member)

I finally placed the order for my copy. Another holy grail bites the dust.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 3, 2010 - 1:30 AM   
 By:   peterproud   (Member)

My jaw hit the desk when I opened my email from SAE and saw a new complete 2-CD set of ‘Conan the Barbarian’ being advertised. I was almost in shock. It took me a full minute to realize what I was looking at and click the link. My enthusiasm was momentarily lost when I saw it was a re-recording. Then I saw Nic Raine’s name attached and I knew it had to be good. I then clicked on the embedded video of the orchestra. Marvelous! Next I feverishly clicked each of the all to brief samples. Incredible! I have the expanded Varese album but this..this is something special. I must order this.

Some other re-recordings I think are as good or better than the originals:

Jason and the Argonaughts (conducted by Bruce Broughton)
The Last of the Mohicans (conducted by Joel McNeely)
Raise the Titanic (conducted by Nic Raine)
King Kong (conducted by William J. Stromberg)
7th Voyage of Sinbad (conducted by Joel McNeely)
Vertigo (conducted by McNeely)
Obsession (conducted by Herrmann)



I would add WALKABOUT to that list - Nic Raine did an amazing job replicating the qualities of the original soundtrack.

 
 Posted:   Nov 3, 2010 - 2:17 AM   
 By:   Warlok   (Member)

I was quite late to the party on the re-recording of Jason And The Argonauts. I have a Telarc (?) disc with the Talos Titan themes on it, so that was the true genesis of my interest in the score. For some odd reason I kept putting off the 'risk' of the re-recording purchase... maybe shortage of money?? ! ... but I finally bit. Wow, was it good. One of the composer`s best, and an excellent performance (though the bassiness of the Telarc cues is stronger).

Regarding the cover for this 2 disc re-performance of Conan, the producers I am sure needed to more easily visually distinguish their release from those that have come before. Perhaps they couldn`t secure permissions for the Arnie image, but really thats small-fry stuff.

I have an apt perspective on this: imagine that the arm holding the sword is Maestro Poledouris` arm. I am more than good with that.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 3, 2010 - 2:31 AM   
 By:   Sidious   (Member)

Some other re-recordings I think are as good or better than the originals:

Jason and the Argonaughts (conducted by Bruce Broughton)
The Last of the Mohicans (conducted by Joel McNeely)
Raise the Titanic (conducted by Nic Raine)
King Kong (conducted by William J. Stromberg)
7th Voyage of Sinbad (conducted by Joel McNeely)
Vertigo (conducted by McNeely)
Obsession (conducted by Herrmann)



I would add WALKABOUT to that list - Nic Raine did an amazing job replicating the qualities of the original soundtrack.


My add would be:
North by Northwest by McNeely, great stuff.
I can't wait for Conan to arrive.

 
 Posted:   Nov 3, 2010 - 2:38 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

Why do announcements of re-recordings often turn into discussion about re-recordings?

Some thoughts from me:

Sometimes re-recordings are better than originals, sometimes they're not, and it's all personal and subjective.

I don't think it's always the case that the original recording is exactly what the composer wanted. In the case of someone like John Barry (happy birthday, by the way), it may be as he is notoriously persistent about getting the sound he wants and he, of course, writes for precise subtlety in the first place. In the case of others, it may just be the way it came out that particular time.

My only ask of re-recording artists is to know when their work is an act of artistic interpretation and when it is an act of preservation, to replace a lost work of art. In the former case, the artistic objective has to be to give a different interpretation on the material, which perhaps reveals more about it. In the latter case, the artistic objective has to be perfect forgery. (If the Mona Lisa has been lost, the replacement doesn't want to have eyebrows.) But not necessarily of what was recorded. In some cases, it's of "what should have been recorded."

There are some great re-recordings. I think the best two Barry re-recordings are Varese's Somewhere In Time and Silva's/PIA's Robin And Marian. The reason I love those two in particular is they are the most perfectly alike to the originals in terms of detail and emphasis.

But here's the thing. Even if I prefer the original, if I love the score, I embrace the re-recording too. I still hope that some day the originals of Raise The Titanic and Walkabout are found, remastered and released - the re-recordings are excellent and I love them but there are nevertheless clear differences. Only in the subtleties, yes, but in music the subtleties can be all important. Anyway I still hold the originals of those sacred, though I wholeheartedly support and recommend the re-recordings too.

(My feelings towards Raise The Titanic are probably similar to James' own feelings towards Lawrence Of Arabia. I feel the first re-recording was very fine and very applaudable, but nevertheless the obsessive Barryphile in me notices all the differences and would love to have another go and raise it from good to perfect. And if I was rich, I might well have sponsored such a project. Alas, I'm not.)

I own both Intrada's release of the original The Last Valley and Silva's re-recording. I play both, would be without neither and both have their merits.

Will I be selling my original Conan The Barbarian? No way! Have I played it for the last time? No way! But do I want the re-recording badly. Yes, I do!

For me, it's not either/or. It's both/and. It's not "which is better?" so much as, do they both make me come alive when I hear them.

The modern wave of re-recordings have changed from a hit-and-miss start 20 years ago to being really excellent, IMO. The industry of re-recording is now at it's best ever. The work of James Fitzpatrick, John Morgan, etc, now consistently amazes me and I am full of congratulations to them.

Anyway, back to Conan specfiically ... Based on the samples, I do think this one is an absolutely top class reconstruction and I am so excited about it.

Cheers

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 3, 2010 - 3:52 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I must say that I have a hard time understanding why some people are not open to hearing re-recordings of scores. Even though I can somewhat understand the argument that a re-recording is not going to sound exactly as the composer intends, I always like hearing different interpretations of my favorite music. As a big fan of classical music, I always go out and seek different recordings of pieces (there are some pieces that I have six + recordings of) because it helps keep the music 'fresh.' One could say what is the point of doing a re-recording if it HAS to sound EXACTLY the same as the original? Great music is supposed to be performed and interpreted in different ways and I only wish that there were more re-recordings of film music out there.

Well said, I agree wholeheartedly!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 3, 2010 - 3:54 AM   
 By:   johnc112003   (Member)

Sorry if this sounds churlish but I am not that enthusiastic (I have the Varese & it is one of the top 10 CDs) about this as does have the dreaded R word - re-recordinng. I like my scores to sound the way they do in the film - that is after all how I first fall in love with a score - by hearing it in a film.

For me, a re-recording is a bit of a novelty. I am not musically educated but I am not a big fan of any re-recordings as they just don't 'sound' like the music that was in the film.

Is this one unlimited as I might pick one up depending on what Intrada has on the 9th?

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 3, 2010 - 4:56 AM   
 By:   JamesFitz   (Member)

Sorry if this sounds churlish but I am not that enthusiastic (I have the Varese & it is one of the top 10 CDs) about this as does have the dreaded R word - re-recordinng. I like my scores to sound the way they do in the film - that is after all how I first fall in love with a score - by hearing it in a film.

For me, a re-recording is a bit of a novelty. I am not musically educated but I am not a big fan of any re-recordings as they just don't 'sound' like the music that was in the film.

Is this one unlimited as I might pick one up depending on what Intrada has on the 9th?


Totally represt your view...but, when I met Basil he told me how unhappy he was with the recording qualty and performance of the Rome Orchestra. So I feel I have respected the composer's wish for a better recording

 
 Posted:   Nov 3, 2010 - 5:24 AM   
 By:   RED SHIRT BASIL (or looks like...)   (Member)

there are re-recordings AND re-recordings
And when they are done with respect , accuracy , composer blessing and as a labor of love like this Conan release : they are no more re-recordings but pieces of art.
and ordered of course in a blink of an eye!

 
 Posted:   Nov 3, 2010 - 5:39 AM   
 By:   Juanki   (Member)

Has anyone ordered directly by Tadlow? How much time they post the package to ship? Thanks for help.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 3, 2010 - 5:39 AM   
 By:   nxbusby   (Member)

I was quite late to the party on the re-recording of Jason And The Argonauts. I have a Telarc (?) disc with the Talos Titan themes on it, so that was the true genesis of my interest in the score. For some odd reason I kept putting off the 'risk' of the re-recording purchase... maybe shortage of money?? ! ... but I finally bit. Wow, was it good. One of the composer`s best, and an excellent performance (though the bassiness of the Telarc cues is stronger).

Regarding the cover for this 2 disc re-performance of Conan, the producers I am sure needed to more easily visually distinguish their release from those that have come before. Perhaps they couldn`t secure permissions for the Arnie image, but really thats small-fry stuff.

I have an apt perspective on this: imagine that the arm holding the sword is Maestro Poledouris` arm. I am more than good with that.


Thanks for that! i think I can live with that cover now. But it really is a horrible cover image. Oh well, the music is the thing.

Oh, and I believe Back to the Future was a 2009 release. I remember distinctly because I received it on Christmas eve.

 
 Posted:   Nov 3, 2010 - 5:43 AM   
 By:   RED SHIRT BASIL (or looks like...)   (Member)

Has anyone ordered directly by Tadlow? How much time they post the package to ship? Thanks for help.

I placed my order from Tadlow yesterday afternoon - 2 hours later i got a message from them telling me the Conan set will ship november 3 (today then) , so it's extremely fast

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 3, 2010 - 5:44 AM   
 By:   JamesFitz   (Member)

Has anyone ordered directly by Tadlow? How much time they post the package to ship? Thanks for help.

Posting same day from London as orders arrive.....orders come to me in Prague, I do address labels, inbetween recording sessions....then email labels to Stephen at Silva who does he posting. Best first day orders ever!!!

 
 Posted:   Nov 3, 2010 - 6:53 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Just a question. So are we going to re-imagine music scores now? Is this the trend? With all do respect to Basil, for one of the greatest scores ever written, did he not realize that people fell in love with what he did, not with what he "meant" to do?

This is the George Lucas syndrome. Artists/Directors/Composers wanting to redo something they did 20 or 30 years ago instead of putting out a faithful rendition of what their fans fell in love with. An artist can always look back on their work in horror or disappointment. But the fan fell in love with his or her work as they heard or saw it, warts and all.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 3, 2010 - 7:00 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Just a question. So are we going to re-imagine music scores now? Is this the trend? With all do respect to Basil, for one of the greatest scores ever written, did he not realize that people fell in love with what he did, not with what he "meant" to do?

This is the George Lucas syndrome. Artists/Directors/Composers wanting to redo something they did 20 or 30 years ago instead of putting out a faithful rendition of what their fans fell in love with. An artist can always look back on their work in horror or disappointment. But the fan fell in love with his or her work as they heard or saw it, warts and all.


Eh....dude, it's an orchestral piece of music! Just like any other orchestral piece of music has been re-performed and re-recorded over the years, so too can this. It's no different. In fact, this more than any score NEEDED to be re-performed!

That said, I do wish they had kept the Milan program. In this case, I'm drawn between applauding the rerecording aspect of it, but being disappointed in the decision to present it complete and chronological. Curious dilemma.

 
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