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 Posted:   Jun 28, 2013 - 7:32 AM   
 By:   Other Tallguy   (Member)

This score is really awfull, but much better than Zimmer's "Man of Steel".

Amazing!


Yor, why don't you try a month where you only post about scores you like? I'm curious what it would do to your post count, but I'd also look forward to reading about Yor-centric scoring.

I think it is better than MoS. But that's also neither here nor there.

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2013 - 7:32 AM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

Right!!!... you don't like Hans Zimmer!! We Get it!!! Enough!!!!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2013 - 7:32 AM   
 By:   facehugger   (Member)

What? Not every male choir is a Russian hymn.

Sorry to bust your bubble but I grew up in an ex-Commie country and I heard Russian style music all the time when I was young. This hymn is nothing like Russian stuff.


Fair enough. But this is pretty clearly supposed to sound Russian. I don't know if it does to a Russian. But it does to an American. Because we hear stuff like Hunt for Red October or the Russian stuff in Independence Day or the Soviet bits from The Right Stuff and say "Ah! Russian!"


Yeah, it's similar to Kung Fu Panda, The Karate Kid, etc. where it may not be Asian-sounding music, but it's what Americans think Asian music sounds like.


Kung Fu Panda actually surprisingly got the China-sound right. I once made a Chinese person listen to Kung Fu Panda and his reaction is "this is not written by a Chinese?"

Karate Kid? Not so much.

But I guess these days, erhu = Chinese and male choir = Russian to the general public.

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2013 - 7:35 AM   
 By:   Other Tallguy   (Member)

But I guess these days, erhu = Chinese and male choir = Russian to the general public.

Well, male choir also = monks. I'm not sure what makes this choir sound Russian.

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2013 - 7:36 AM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

Yor, why don't you try a month where you only post about scores you like? I'm curious what it would do to your post count, but I'd also look forward to reading about Yor-centric scoring.

I think it is better than MoS. But that's also neither here nor there.


 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2013 - 7:40 AM   
 By:   facehugger   (Member)

But I guess these days, erhu = Chinese and male choir = Russian to the general public.

Well, male choir also = monks. I'm not sure what makes this choir sound Russian.


Male choir "chant" = monks (and apparently Decepticon transformers according to Steve Jablonsky).

Male choir hymn with long lines seems to be associated with Russians.

For genuine Russian music, I recommend:

www.sovmusic.ru/english

Get your daily fix of Mother Russia nostalgia today! In Soviet Russia, music listens you!

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2013 - 12:20 PM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)


Yes I know not every male choir is a Russian hymn. But it;s not like that cue screams Polynesian choir or Handel's Messiah now does it? There are some strong Russian flavors to that track.

Do you know what language they are speaking in?


Probably some generic a-i-u-e-o based on Zimmer's generic samples.

Even if they're singing in Russian, -- now I don't have a formal music background so I can't give the exact terms -- the chord progression of this track is nothing like typical Russian music.

Anyway, for Russian soundling music, nothing beats Red October and Horner's borderline plagarism stuff.


I'm going to politely disagree. I find the chord relationships Russian in their nature and how the chorus was scored was in a Russain vein. Djawadi is using some of the same harmonic procedures as Poledouris did in Red October. I don't have the time at the moment to break down and compare the two in strict music chords but this track struck me (the latter half) as hymnal in its tone. Whether its strictly Russian is up to us whether it's really important or not. It's a movie with giant robots fighting giant monsters. And this cue is a fleeting one so let's not get too wound up about it.

I also have to disagree that there aren't any interesting harmonies past the "generic MV-RC power chords". Yes, the main theme is rife with them, I concede that. But there are other tracks where I hear Djawadi doing for alternating 7th chords, adding a 9th, moving up to a flat II chord, or the aug IV to I chord. Stuff that Horner used a ton of for his Star Trek II and '80s scores (Aliens as well).

Look guys, if you don't like it, then don't listen to it. Simple enough. If you'd like to spend all your time discrediting Djawadi or the few people on this thread that either like the score or are looking forward to the film, well, I guess that's your right but gee, I don't know if it's worth your time....

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2013 - 12:24 PM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

BTW- I knew a fellow composer who studied a lot of Russian music and thought Hunt for Red October was a nice "tourists" version of Russian choral music.

Not saying Djawadi's is better but let's not use Red October as the yardstick for accurate Russian music eh?

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2013 - 12:33 PM   
 By:   Other Tallguy   (Member)

Not saying Djawadi's is better but let's not use Red October as the yardstick for accurate Russian music eh?

That would be silly. I use Chekov's Run from Voyage Home. smile

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2013 - 12:38 PM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

Not saying Djawadi's is better but let's not use Red October as the yardstick for accurate Russian music eh?


That would be silly. I use Chekov's Run from Voyage Home. smile


HA! Hey don't get me wrong- I think Poledouris did some wonderful things with that score. But there are some very Conan-like chord progressions throughout.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2013 - 2:32 PM   
 By:   facehugger   (Member)



Look guys, if you don't like it, then don't listen to it. Simple enough. If you'd like to spend all your time discrediting Djawadi or the few people on this thread that either like the score or are looking forward to the film, well, I guess that's your right but gee, I don't know if it's worth your time....


You know, if you're allowed to rant about how you love this music, then I don't know any reason I should be barred from venting my frustration and anger provoked by this piece of garbage.

I'm entitled to rant because:
(1) I'm one of the biggest fans of Marco Beltrami;
(2) I'm one of the biggest fans of GDT;
(3) I'm one of the biggest fans of monsters and MECHs (gee, please stop calling those "robots", cuz, you know, if you like this genre, robots and mechs are completely different);
(4) I love my Big Brother Russia for nostalgia reasons;
(5) I even liked some of the MV scores.

'sides, is it worth your time to hype a dreadful score, while there're more worthwhile alternatives to be found?

--E.g. if you want some GOOD pseudo-Russian music, check out the score to the game "Company of the Heroes 2", or, even better, if you want GOOD male choir pseudo Russian music with good themes, give the score to the movie "Gagarin" a listen.

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2013 - 6:16 PM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

I am lukewarm to Beltrami as much as I have made Herculean efforts to get into his work . That said, would I have been interested in his take on this film? Yes indeed.

As for Russian music, I enjoy a healthy collection of Shostakovich, Prokofiev, Mussorgsky, Rimsky Korsakov, and Stravinsky even though I oddly find him the least "Russian" of those mentioned. But I will check out that link. I do love that music. It's very emotional, stirring music. A Russian friend said her country's music is all about the feeling.

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2013 - 7:24 PM   
 By:   Josh   (Member)

I once made a Chinese person listen to Kung Fu Panda...

That's the funniest thing I've read all week.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2013 - 9:14 PM   
 By:   facehugger   (Member)

I am lukewarm to Beltrami as much as I have made Herculean efforts to get into his work . That said, would I have been interested in his take on this film? Yes indeed.

As for Russian music, I enjoy a healthy collection of Shostakovich, Prokofiev, Mussorgsky, Rimsky Korsakov, and Stravinsky even though I oddly find him the least "Russian" of those mentioned. But I will check out that link. I do love that music. It's very emotional, stirring music. A Russian friend said her country's music is all about the feeling.


I think you're putting all those "Russian-born" composers into one basket of "Russian composers". Some of those compose mainly in styles influenced by the West, not in the Soviet Russia style. As a result, that kind of music should not be considered proper "Russian" (e.g. Stravinsky. The guy is probably more French and American than Russian).

 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2013 - 8:03 AM   
 By:   Matt B   (Member)

For what it's worth, I love Golden Age scores, I love Silver Age scores, 80s 90s and so on... and I absolutely think that Ramin Djawadi's score to PACIFIC RIM is phenomenal. Yes, it's certainly the RC style that has been in vogue for a while now, but come on... it's exciting and thrilling music! I wasn't all that interested in this film until I heard the music, and now I am psyched to check it out.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2013 - 4:44 PM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

For what it's worth, I love Golden Age scores, I love Silver Age scores, 80s 90s and so on... and I absolutely think that Ramin Djawadi's score to PACIFIC RIM is phenomenal. Yes, it's certainly the RC style that has been in vogue for a while now, but come on... it's exciting and thrilling music! I wasn't all that interested in this film until I heard the music, and now I am psyched to check it out.


Yep, exactly. I love movie music ranging from Alfred Newman to Goldsmith to Tangerine Dream. While Pacific Rim is not going to be remembered as changing the face of movie music, it is a fun ride.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2013 - 4:48 PM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

I am lukewarm to Beltrami as much as I have made Herculean efforts to get into his work . That said, would I have been interested in his take on this film? Yes indeed.


As a sidebar here, have you tried Beltrami's score to Knowing ? It is absolutely stunning, perhaps even eclipsing Hellboy as Beltrami's best work...perhaps... it is a score I can't recommend enough. This cue alone is one of the very best movie music moments in years.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zV5NAqXGKyU


damn...I can never embed these things big grin

 
 Posted:   Jun 30, 2013 - 5:14 AM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

I am lukewarm to Beltrami as much as I have made Herculean efforts to get into his work . That said, would I have been interested in his take on this film? Yes indeed.


As a sidebar here, have you tried Beltrami's score to Knowing ? It is absolutely stunning, perhaps even eclipsing Hellboy as Beltrami's best work...perhaps... it is a score I can't recommend enough. This cue alone is one of the very best movie music moments in years.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zV5NAqXGKyU


damn...I can never embed these things big grin


I own Hellboy and Blade 2 which are effective scores but I cannot listen to them on their own.mmWorld War Z however sounds very good. I might give that a whirl.

 
 Posted:   Jun 30, 2013 - 1:16 PM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

I could do without the guitar licks (which do sound like Iron Man) but based just on "Gypsy Danger" I already like this--I have no problem with pulsating contemporary scoring if it has themes, which this does. And I've greatly enjoyed the scoring for Game of Thrones (there's a little of that in "The Shatterdome"). I like Djawadi's work.

 
 Posted:   Jun 30, 2013 - 2:12 PM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

I could do without the guitar licks (which do sound like Iron Man) but based just on "Gypsy Danger" I already like this--I have no problem with pulsating contemporary scoring if it has themes, which this does. And I've greatly enjoyed the scoring for Game of Thrones (there's a little of that in "The Shatterdome"). I like Djawadi's work.

Good to hear Jeff. I hadn't bought a Djawadi score before but this was a good start. Dare I say more melodic than MOS?

 
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