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 Posted:   Jan 10, 2013 - 6:04 AM   
 By:   Warlok   (Member)

I think (! ...) Intrada and LaLaLand have experienced enormous growth in the past 2 years, and perhaps that the Varese folk have simply endeavoured for a considerable & fruitful period. Most profound score initiatives seem to arise from the aforementioned two camps these days, so I might hazard that a 'sacrifice' of Varese might not be of dire consequence to us. I am certainly grateful for its run - Mr. Kraft, Mr. Townson, and associates have done good worthy work.

Will such an acquisition really be a sacrifice? I don`t know, though I would ultimately characterize this as an asset acquisition by an investment interest, so rules of Capitalism apply.

I hope that if the Varese assets are dispersed, they are vended in such a way as to allow for any necessary opportunities by other concerned soundtrack minds.

 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2013 - 6:27 AM   
 By:   mstrox   (Member)

An important issue regarding companies like Cutting Edge that hasn`t been discussed here is how their business modell will effect the situation of the musicians in Los Angeles. This is a big subject at the moment since more and more filmmusic and video game recording is moving to places like London and Prague and I think only 3 big scoring stages remain (and even those 3 aren`t booked that often anymore) because they offer buy out deals. Which means that the producer pays the musicians once and after that can do with the recording whatever he wants. When you have your score recorded by union musicians in Los Angeles you`ll have to pay re-use fees for additional use of the music. I can`t imagine that companies like Cutting Edge are willing to accept that. So I guess they will try to record all of their scores outside of Los Angeles.

And BINGO was his name-O! smile

MV


Interesting. If that's the case, I wonder if Kraft's recent "keep recording in LA" campaign was, in part, a preemptive response to this sale?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2013 - 7:02 AM   
 By:   counterpoint   (Member)

An important issue regarding companies like Cutting Edge that hasn`t been discussed here is how their business modell will effect the situation of the musicians in Los Angeles. This is a big subject at the moment since more and more filmmusic and video game recording is moving to places like London and Prague and I think only 3 big scoring stages remain (and even those 3 aren`t booked that often anymore) because they offer buy out deals. Which means that the producer pays the musicians once and after that can do with the recording whatever he wants. When you have your score recorded by union musicians in Los Angeles you`ll have to pay re-use fees for additional use of the music. I can`t imagine that companies like Cutting Edge are willing to accept that. So I guess they will try to record all of their scores outside of Los Angeles.

And BINGO was his name-O! smile

MV


Interesting. If that's the case, I wonder if Kraft's recent "keep recording in LA" campaign was, in part, a preemptive response to this sale?



I don`t think that Kraft`s campaign was a "preemptive response" to Cutting Edge`s purchase of Varese because that deal doesn`t have anything to do with the situation of the LA musicians, but the Kraft campaign is a reaction to a fatal development that has been going on for years (filmmusic recordings leaving Los Angeles for other parts of the world). And the busines model of companies like Cutting Edge is part of that development.

 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2013 - 7:16 AM   
 By:   spanosdm   (Member)

A silly question: why doesn't the union musicians in Los Angeles change their politics so that re-use fees don't have to be paid for additional use of the music? Wouldn't that keep recordings from leaving the LA area?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2013 - 7:30 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

People making smart decisions? Now that would just be silly!

 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2013 - 7:31 AM   
 By:   mstrox   (Member)

A silly question: why doesn't the union musicians in Los Angeles change their politics so that re-use fees don't have to be paid for additional use of the music? Wouldn't that keep recordings from leaving the LA area?

Probably because that would be a significant loss of income for the union musicians (perhaps more income lost, at this point, than income lost to out-of-LA recording?)

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2013 - 10:15 AM   
 By:   counterpoint   (Member)

A silly question: why doesn't the union musicians in Los Angeles change their politics so that re-use fees don't have to be paid for additional use of the music? Wouldn't that keep recordings from leaving the LA area?

That might answer your question:

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118064177/

 
 Posted:   Jan 10, 2013 - 11:34 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

That might answer your question:

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118064177/


This is a very good article, and it points up the complexity of the issue. It's very easy to take some of the facts and mock the LA musicians for acting illogically. But in fact it's not nearly so cut-and-dried, and what's good for some musicians is not good for others.

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2013 - 12:06 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

As for the Cutting Edge thing, I've thought more about it, because it beats thinking about work or taxes or my own mortality. And here are my newest thoughts:

Chris Kuchler, the president and, I believe, owner of Varèse Sarabande Records up until this sale, began in the music business in 1972. If he were 25 at the time (I have no idea), he is now 65. This was not a hostile takeover; Kuchler sold the company, and were I him, I would too. I believe it has been for sale for some time now. Robert Townson has, up to now, answered to Kuchler, and presumably had considerable creative freedom. Is he free to leave now, if he so chooses? I doubt any of us has any definite knowledge of this.

If Cutting Edge has no hold on Townson, and Townson is in a financial position to leave (again, what do I know?), then what have they bought that they could not have had they started their own company from scratch? A label with a distribution deal and some credibility in our niche market, plus a back catalogue of soundtracks owned in perpetuity. We know that the latter cannot be exploited except as soundtracks -- that is, they can't sell the music to be used in commercials, etc. So if they've bought this label without locking in Townson (who, love him or hate him, is a very connected guy in this industry), what do they do with what they've bought?

It is a point of frustration here that they seem to be sitting on a lot of their older titles. It seems likely to me that a company of limited resources like Varèse simply couldn't get to every project they might like to. Releases of new scores must be released roughly in sync with the films' releases, and this pushes back vintage releases and reissues. They hold onto these things not to be mean, but because they are exploitable properties that they may exploit in the future, if other projects don't push them aside in perpetuity. So it seems possible that the infusion of funds from the sale may mean they can get to some of these projects. But is an expanded limited release of the score for "Matinee" really something that a company like Cutting Edge will have any patience for? And if not, would they be willing to sell off or license the rights to these? And if they are, will they find the limited return they can get on them from other labels (who also have a bottom line) worth their time?

These are questions. I have no answers.

If Townson chooses not to stay, who will replace him? Will Townson go elsewhere? And with all the releases coming from Intrada, La La Land, Kritzerland, BSX, Quartet, et al, will any title we would likely get from Varèse not just come from one of these other fine labels instead?

Someone here has said that Cutting Edge is not the sort of company likely to release Frank Skinner scores. But they are hardly the only company to not release Frank Skinner scores, so I don't know really what's changed there.

I have no idea how much Cutting Edge paid for Varèse, but nonetheless I can't help thinking that they overpaid. Groundless speculation? Absolutely!

Whatever happens, Varèse Sarabande has had a pretty amazing 35 year run. If they are unrecognizable in a year, I will still have enough CDs with their ink-blot logo on it to keep me busy for the rest of my life. (Oh hell, there I go thinking about my own mortality again.)

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2013 - 12:31 AM   
 By:   .   (Member)

Cutting Edge already has a music label in Europe. The stuff they put out should be an indication of the kind of direction they'll be taking with Varese...

http://www.palebluesoundtracks.com/catalogue/soundtracks/

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2013 - 12:32 AM   
 By:   .   (Member)

dp

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2013 - 12:52 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Cutting Edge already has a music label in Europe. The stuff they put out should be an indication of the kind of direction they'll be taking with Varese...

I just looked, and I can't see any real pattern. There are historical dramas with sweeping symphonic scores, nature documentaries with new agey score, thrillers with electronic scores, and song soundtracks. To what direction are you referring?

Besides, look at the first couple dozen La La Land releases. Did those indicate the direction that label ultimately took? Not that I can see. What one has already done does not define one's aspirations.

I'm not saying that the sky isn't falling. It may be. I just look up and I don't yet see the proof.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2013 - 2:45 AM   
 By:   .   (Member)

Well, unless I've missed something, you won't find a release from them by anyone who is dead. Their direction is ahead only, placing composers for upcoming productions and getting their hands on the music rights.
The Varese name will likely strengthen their hand at getting more composers into their stable. Almost like a giant-sized Remote Control operation, all under one banner. And their guarantee to the composers of a soundtrack release of every score will be more enticing with the name Varese Sarabande behind it.
Varese has high visibility and credibility in film music circles, much more I suspect than the former real estate agent and mail order gift catalogue wheeler-dealer Moross. He and his investors won't be losing sleep over what quality of music they are putting out – all they'll care about is that there's LOTS of it because every release marks another deal having been done with a film company.
I expect that the way Cutting Edge will be do business, music by dead composers will be as interesting to them as deceased drivers would be to car salesmen.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2013 - 2:54 AM   
 By:   wackness   (Member)

Cutting Edge already has a music label in Europe. The stuff they put out should be an indication of the kind of direction they'll be taking with Varese...

I just looked, and I can't see any real pattern. There are historical dramas with sweeping symphonic scores, nature documentaries with new agey score, thrillers with electronic scores, and song soundtracks. To what direction are you referring?

Besides, look at the first couple dozen La La Land releases. Did those indicate the direction that label ultimately took? Not that I can see. What one has already done does not define one's aspirations.

I'm not saying that the sky isn't falling. It may be. I just look up and I don't yet see the proof.
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I called Varese today to place an order. The guy I spoke with explained to me that nothing is changing. It seems to me Cutting Edge knows what they are doing and wanted to own an established soundtrack label. Why change anything?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2013 - 2:56 AM   
 By:   wackness   (Member)

Well, unless I've missed something, you won't find a release from them by anyone who is dead. Their direction is ahead only, placing composers for upcoming productions and getting their hands on the music rights.
The Varese name will likely strengthen their hand at getting more composers into their stable. Almost like a giant-sized Remote Control operation, all under one banner. And their guarantee to the composers of a soundtrack release of every score will be more enticing with the name Varese Sarabande behind it.
Varese has high visibility and credibility in film music circles, much more I suspect than the former real estate agent and mail order gift catalogue wheeler-dealer Moross. He and his investors won't be losing sleep over what quality of music they are putting out – all they'll care about is that there's LOTS of it because every release marks another deal having been done with a film company.
I expect that the way Cutting Edge will be do business, music by dead composers will be as interesting to them as deceased drivers would be to car salesmen.


Yet Moross wanted to own a record label and acquired one. Seems to me you are judging the man before anybody even knows what's in store. Sorry I don't think even the most savvy businessman buys something like Varese only to change it.

If Robert Townson leaves in the next few months, I'll believe all the speculation. Until then, as long as he's there I can't imagine things change.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2013 - 3:08 AM   
 By:   .   (Member)

why is it that Townson hasn't announced he's leaving?

Perhaps he has a long line of in-progress projects? Maybe Varese has contracted projects that require him to see them through? For all we know, the next three sets of Club releases and dozens of other releases might already be in the works and all needing his ongoing input.
If so, it could be some time before we see the results of any changes taking place now.
If the people who write the booklet notes for Varese's Golden Age and Silver Age releases are currently busy, then I guess we're fine!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2013 - 5:09 AM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

The article talks about the soundtrack for The Bodyguard selling 12 million albums (mind you those days are long gone, for all types of music), but the stuff most of us like here would do well to sell 1500-2000 (or less!). I hope they carry on with the Club releases...& do Cutting Edge know all about those unsold boxes of Spartacus?

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2013 - 9:01 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Well, unless I've missed something, you won't find a release from them by anyone who is dead.

None of Varèse's thirty or so regular non-mail order releases last year were by dead composers. That was the exclusive domain of the Club releases, which have no equivalent here.

Look, I'm inclined to believe that this is the end for Varèse. I seriously suspect that the label that we knew is on its way out (not immediately, probably, but fairly soon).

I do not, however, agree that the name Varèse Sarabande (known to us only) is itself especially valuable. Does it have high visibility in film music circles? Sure, and so what? That name alone will not entice brand name composers to work with them -- that requires relationships, and relationships require people and time.

Even here, in its current format that we are already mourning, as many of us seem to mistrust and disdain Varèse as adore it. So if Cutting Edge has bought this company hoping that the name alone will give them high visibility in an endeavor that will make the label otherwise unrecognizable, I think they've made a foolish purchase. Of course, foolish purchases happen all the time.

I'm also a little reluctant to dismiss this Moross guy as "former real estate agent and mail order gift catalogue wheeler-dealer." That may be how he's made a living. That doesn't mean his ambitions end there. Again, maybe he's a despicable shark, but I really have no idea. And neither, I suspect, do you.

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2013 - 9:04 AM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

why is it that Townson hasn't announced he's leaving?

Perhaps he has a long line of in-progress projects? Maybe Varese has contracted projects that require him to see them through?


Where exactly would he even announce such a thing? And who would be listening?

Also, Robert Townson has a job. This is his livelihood. Are we all so quick to up and leave a job with nothing new to go to?

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2013 - 10:26 AM   
 By:   drivingmissdaisy   (Member)

What if they go into the nut business?

 
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