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 Posted:   Jan 3, 2014 - 9:06 PM   
 By:   ajhfsm   (Member)

Jeff Bond "is getting too old for this shit.", what does this mean? Too old for liner notes, this film music or something else?

It's a reference to Danny Glover's oft-quoted line in these movies: "I'm getting too old for this shit."


I know that. But does it have another meaning with reference to J.B?

 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2014 - 9:08 PM   
 By:   ajhfsm   (Member)

Is it J.B. is like Glover but he still goes about doing his job? Maybe only J.B. can tell us.

 
 Posted:   Jan 3, 2014 - 9:45 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Is it J.B. is like Glover but he still goes about doing his job? Maybe only J.B. can tell us.

I guess there's a language barrier at play here, given it is Australia. I do not believe the joke needs to be explained psychologically. Like someone else said, it's just a reference for people who have seen the movie (or have lived life under the umbrella of pop culture and meaningful junior high school friendships).

 
 Posted:   Jan 4, 2014 - 12:29 AM   
 By:   ajhfsm   (Member)

I thought possibly Jeff might consider himself too old to do film music stuff anymore. :{(

Anyways this set is straight film music fireworks.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 4, 2014 - 4:41 AM   
 By:   JohnF   (Member)

Ok so we know in LW3 the hockey game chase across the ice was tracked from LW2 or 1 I think, but what about the cue that precedes it? When Riggs is announcing Travis' name over the loudspeakers? I remember a pretty cool tense cue for this but not on the set. Guess that is tracked as well but from what?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 4, 2014 - 6:18 AM   
 By:   BrendonKelly   (Member)

Have been playing this set non stop now since just before Christmas!

Absolutely brilliant - this is clearly the compositional work of Michael Kamen. Maybe the credits should have read "Additional Music by EC and DS" because Kamen's stamp is over every single cue.

The action music and the detail in the orchestration is awesome and the romantic interludes, particularly in LW4 are gorgeous.

Playing LW this afternoon (once again!) I do prefer the full version to the album edits and it flows superbly. Although I am so glad the album versions are included as these are also very good.

I have been reading how you guys are trying to put "best of" compilation together - I do not know where to start!

 
 Posted:   Jan 4, 2014 - 2:48 PM   
 By:   Gold Digger   (Member)

Ok so we know in LW3 the hockey game chase across the ice was tracked from LW2 or 1 I think, but what about the cue that precedes it? When Riggs is announcing Travis' name over the loudspeakers? I remember a pretty cool tense cue for this but not on the set. Guess that is tracked as well but from what?

That is still part of the stilt house fight from LW2.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 4, 2014 - 5:12 PM   
 By:   serenifly   (Member)

From the LLL facebook page. Very cool. I love this set.
https://www.facebook.com/lalalandrecords

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2014 - 7:21 AM   
 By:   JohnF   (Member)

Everytime I listen to this set I have a new favorite cue. "Locked in a container / Shipyard fight" is fantastic. I went back and played the "Chase the red bmw" against the film. Can't believe they dropped it. But to my surprise a good part of the cue is indeed in the film but I guess I never noticed it before because they really buried it in the sound mix. It's a shame... Why have a composer bust their ass writing for the film if they are just going to bury it so much??
On a side note since I received this set a month ago I can't stop listening. Anyone feeling a little guilty that other music and composers are getting ignored? Everytime I try to throw on something else to listen too I end up going back to the LW set. Crazy! Starting to feel bad my other favs like Williams, Zimmer and Goldsmith are getting the cold shoulder. I am sure this honeymoon phase will end at some point.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 12, 2014 - 4:23 AM   
 By:   counterpoint   (Member)

I hesitated quite a while to buy it since I`ve never been a fan of Michael Kamen. Somehow his scores are missing structure and don`t make a nice listening experience apart from the films. IMO. And I have the old Lethal Weapon promo CD from 2002 and never liked the music. But since literally everybody around here is going crazy over this new release and I thought maybe the rest of the scores sound different I finally bought it. And sorry to say, unfortunately everything that I think of Kamen and the Lethal Weapon music has been confirmed. I mean there are some furious action pieces. But musically they are not going anywhere. I don`t hear any thematic movement. It`s just a wall of action sound and it`s getting tiring after a while. And the guitar and the sax are really annoying. I mean I enjoy sax and e-guitars in filmscores. I loved the sax in Fugitive and in Russia House and the use of e-guitar in the “Turbo Man Marching Band #1” cue in Jingle All The Way. But the way those instruments are being used in the Lethal Weapon scores are too much and too noisy for me. It almost sounds like some improvised free jazz. I am happy for anyone who likes it but this set is a release I could have lived without.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 12, 2014 - 4:29 AM   
 By:   JohnF   (Member)

Thats quite an expense to make for someone who doesnt like Kamen. Should have just sampled the old albums instead somewhere mate.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 12, 2014 - 5:20 AM   
 By:   Bud Baxter   (Member)

I hesitated quite a while to buy it since I`ve never been a fan of Michael Kamen. Somehow his scores are missing structure and don`t make a nice listening experience apart from the films. IMO. And I have the old Lethal Weapon promo CD from 2002 and never liked the music. But since literally everybody around here is going crazy over this new release and I thought maybe the rest of the scores sound different I finally bought it. And sorry to say, unfortunately everything that I think of Kamen and the Lethal Weapon music has been confirmed. I mean there are some furious action pieces. But musically they are not going anywhere. I don`t hear any thematic movement. It`s just a wall of action sound and it`s getting tiring after a while. And the guitar and the sax are really annoying. I mean I enjoy sax and e-guitars in filmscores. I loved the sax in Fugitive and in Russia House and the use of e-guitar in the “Turbo Man Marching Band #1” cue in Jingle All The Way. But the way those instruments are being used in the Lethal Weapon scores are too much and too noisy for me. It almost sounds like some improvised free jazz. I am happy for anyone who likes it but this set is a release I could have lived without.

I'd be glad to take it off your hands if you're going to bin it. smile

 
 Posted:   Jan 12, 2014 - 5:48 AM   
 By:   WillGoldNewtonBarryGrusin   (Member)

I hesitated quite a while to buy it since I`ve never been a fan of Michael Kamen. Somehow his scores are missing structure and don`t make a nice listening experience apart from the films. IMO. And I have the old Lethal Weapon promo CD from 2002 and never liked the music. But since literally everybody around here is going crazy over this new release and I thought maybe the rest of the scores sound different I finally bought it. And sorry to say, unfortunately everything that I think of Kamen and the Lethal Weapon music has been confirmed. I mean there are some furious action pieces. But musically they are not going anywhere. I don`t hear any thematic movement. It`s just a wall of action sound and it`s getting tiring after a while. And the guitar and the sax are really annoying. I mean I enjoy sax and e-guitars in filmscores. I loved the sax in Fugitive and in Russia House and the use of e-guitar in the “Turbo Man Marching Band #1” cue in Jingle All The Way. But the way those instruments are being used in the Lethal Weapon scores are too much and too noisy for me. It almost sounds like some improvised free jazz. I am happy for anyone who likes it but this set is a release I could have lived without.

You really honor your alias, Mr. Counterpoint.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 12, 2014 - 10:25 AM   
 By:   BrendonKelly   (Member)

This set is still on my playlist and does not look like leaving anytime soon! The way Kamen writes fresh and exciting action music for the massive amount of action scenes across the four films is astonishing. Yes he revisits a motif here and a few bars there, but it is brilliant writing.
The performances by the LA orchestra are dynamic and add a seriousness to the music.

I have always loved Michael Kamen's scores and this set has made me appreciate his talent even more and to go and revisit some of his other scores (Die Hard 2 as I write!).

 
 Posted:   Jan 12, 2014 - 2:03 PM   
 By:   DeviantMan   (Member)

LETHAL WEAPON is actually the most comprehensive showcase of Kamen's musical talent.

DIE HARD
As a listening experience, tends to be tedious with it's emphasis on action and sound design.
But hardly structure-less.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 12, 2014 - 3:32 PM   
 By:   crocodile   (Member)

They're similar, but also quite different. Die Hard is, introvert full of suspense and dry wit, Lethal Weapon series is more eclectic, extrovert and colourful.

Both are great. I've listened to all seven scores a lot since Christmas.

Karol

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 12, 2014 - 8:47 PM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

I hesitated quite a while to buy it since I`ve never been a fan of Michael Kamen. Somehow his scores are missing structure and don`t make a nice listening experience apart from the films. IMO. And I have the old Lethal Weapon promo CD from 2002 and never liked the music. But since literally everybody around here is going crazy over this new release and I thought maybe the rest of the scores sound different I finally bought it. And sorry to say, unfortunately everything that I think of Kamen and the Lethal Weapon music has been confirmed. I mean there are some furious action pieces. But musically they are not going anywhere. I don`t hear any thematic movement. It`s just a wall of action sound and it`s getting tiring after a while. And the guitar and the sax are really annoying. I mean I enjoy sax and e-guitars in filmscores. I loved the sax in Fugitive and in Russia House and the use of e-guitar in the “Turbo Man Marching Band #1” cue in Jingle All The Way. But the way those instruments are being used in the Lethal Weapon scores are too much and too noisy for me. It almost sounds like some improvised free jazz. I am happy for anyone who likes it but this set is a release I could have lived without.


Well since you can't stand it and it is now used big grin I'd gladly buy it from you at a discounted price.

 
 Posted:   Jan 13, 2014 - 2:16 PM   
 By:   Mike Skerritt   (Member)

Slowly but surely making my way through the set.

Some thoughts on LW2:

- Right off the bat, in the marvelous BMW chase sequence cue, it's clear that Kamen and co. took a more integrated approach with the solo instruments, with Clapton's frenetic guitar woven much more closely into the orchestration rather than sort of dancing around on top of it.

- I didn't realize how much I missed not ever having the film track of "Knockin' On Heaven's Door/Riggs Dying," which is gorgeous. So much of the score is so abstract that it's really a quietly galvanizing emotional moment.

- It's hard to say if I prefer this to the first score. LW is more consistent and tighter, but LW2 hits higher highs. LW2, after the first explosive chase cue, takes a lot of time noodling around until it really locks in place with the helicopter sequence. The last 20-25 minutes is probably the best extended sequence of score in the entire series.

- What was "The Stilt House" track on the OST all about? Was there a pool party at the Stilt House that I didn't know about? I get the OST was more of a concept album made up of the major thematic ideas, but calling it "The Stilt House" makes no sense unless the conversation was "Hey, we need a reference to the Stilt House here." "Okay, just call that jam band party track The Stilt House." "Works for me." It was 1989 so maybe somebody confused it with "The Roadhouse."

 
 Posted:   Jan 13, 2014 - 4:38 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Mike, that's like the "Leo Getz Goes To The Hockey Game" cue from the third soundtrack. Has nothing to do with the scene whatsoever, much to my dismay. Then the film cue ends up being tracked! What a world, what a world...

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2014 - 11:59 AM   
 By:   Trent Easton Navarro   (Member)

Finally got the box set, my girlfriend gave it to me for our year and a half anniversary.

Listened to the first two scores. Absolutely love the first score. I expected Lethal Weapon 2 to be my favorite, but must admit I find it a bit disappointing. While the action tracks are great, the theme for the bad guys dominates the score a bit too much which makes a feel a bit too repetitive.

Looking forward to the third one, it was the first soundtrack I ever owned.

 
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