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 Posted:   Aug 8, 2009 - 5:38 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

Is there any chance that the Japanese Geneon-Universal release of the score will have a correct master ? In theory, I guess Japanese releases should be identical to the Varese/Colosseum masters, but Japanese records companies are known for having produced some better-sounding CD's on a few occasions on the past, so...

There is still no proof that the correct master was not used, this entire speculation is simply leading to nothing but wild hysteria and unnecessary outrage aimed at Varese...

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 8, 2009 - 6:05 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

There IS proof that the CD isn't CD quality, however.

 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2009 - 1:33 AM   
 By:   Mr Hand   (Member)


There is still no proof that the correct master was not used, this entire speculation is simply leading to nothing but wild hysteria and unnecessary outrage aimed at Varese...


Sorry, but unless using direct-to-MP3 equipment during the recording sessions has become a new trend, the spectral analysis made by some members here is an actual proof that the master is not correct, or at least that something went wrong between the recording of the music and the pressing of the CD.

I'm holding off buying the CD fore the time being, because I know that if there is some replacement operation finally launched, European customers like me will most likely be excluded from it.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2009 - 2:49 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

There IS proof that the CD isn't CD quality, however.

This whole thread is proof - if proof were needed - that we all still demand CD quality for our music and that anything else (MP3 quality!) just won't do.

So at least something good has come out of it.

Unfortunately it's not good for G.I. JOE and, in the long term, I don't think it's going to be good for Varese' reputation.

 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2009 - 12:06 PM   
 By:   Mr Hand   (Member)

Are there some Japanese or Asian fellow members here who have some news on the Geneon/Universal release due yesterday ?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2009 - 12:36 PM   
 By:   scrapsly   (Member)

I enjoy a great sounding recording as much as the next guy. I will take a CD over a download anyday. I also understand that when you buy a CD you expect the music to be good quality. I played GI Joe in the background as I was working, but did not really LISTEN to the quality. It sounded fine to me. If there were many CD's by one company with horrible quality like is being said, I can understand complaining, if it is one out of a 1000, then sometimes we just have to accept it. As an audiophile, I have to ask how many of you complaining supported DVD Audio or SACD ? The sound quality blows normal CD's out of the water. It is a shame that DVD Audio and SACD did not go over because that is the prime way to listen to music. The formats were not supported.

 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2009 - 1:15 PM   
 By:   spielboy   (Member)

one thing is not noticing it in casual listening. Another thing is Varese telling it's all bulls**t and the CD is perfect.

 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2009 - 1:32 PM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

If there were many CD's by one company with horrible quality like is being said, I can understand complaining, if it is one out of a 1000, then sometimes we just have to accept it.

If it's one out of 1000, it should be very easy for them to replace the offending discs.

As for your other points, they really have little to do with this. DVD Audio and SACD? No one's asking for that quality here. They're asking for their CDs to be CD quality, which really oughtn't to be too much to ask. And further, they're asking for accountability, rather than the professionals at the label just ignoring the situation and saying, "we stand by our work."

What if the next big blockbuster comes out next week, only the image quality looks as though it's been taped off an old VHS. The fans and critics call the studio out, and the studio glibly says, "we watched the movie again, and see no problem with it. We stand by our work," rather than sending corrected prints out to the theaters. How well do you think that movie performs at the box office?

 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2009 - 1:39 PM   
 By:   Althazan   (Member)

Are there some Japanese or Asian fellow members here who have some news on the Geneon/Universal release due yesterday ?

I asked Rambling Entertainment (by mail) - japanese distributor about the japanese master, but... they didn't answer (yet?) sadly... Maybe someone bought japanese release and can confirm the bad/good quality of the sound?

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2009 - 10:57 AM   
 By:   Grimsdyke   (Member)

Are there some Japanese or Asian fellow members here who have some news on the Geneon/Universal release due yesterday ?

I asked Rambling Entertainment (by mail) - japanese distributor about the japanese master, but... they didn't answer (yet?) sadly... Maybe someone bought japanese release and can confirm the bad/good quality of the sound?


Maybe ArkSquare would give an honest information about the sound quality of the Rambling-version ??

 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2009 - 9:03 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

I'm really enjoying this score. I've been on the road a lot lately and this is the only disc I have with me in the car - so I've heard it at least 30 times already from beginning to end. It's got a lot to offer with many different themes playing against each other (The Joe's theme, Cobra theme, Hawk's theme, Baroness and the Snake Eyes motif) It's also reminiscent of his unused Mission Impossible score which I absolutely love and I cannot get enough of the western-ish end titles. It's great to hear Silvestri back to scoring a big action blockbuster like this. I really enjoyed the film also and hope Silvestri is back on board for the sequel. As for the sound quality, aside from one of the quieter tracks, I haven't noticed any thing that really bothers me.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2009 - 2:23 PM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

I'm enjoying this score as well, it has grown on me and I like the intensity, the long action material and the overall soundscape.

Yes, the quality lapse is not noticable, but that doesn't mean it isn't there (as the spectral graphs have shown). Frankly, I don't care if Varese denies or confirms their error, I just hope they wont repeat it in the future. I've come to expect a certain level of professionalism in their releases and such a blatant lack of inspection/controll to me is a sign that things are awry. The way they responded to the complaints is an even bigger sign.

Knowing is half the battle wink

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2009 - 4:41 AM   
 By:   Hercule Platini   (Member)

My copy arrived today; I'm thirteen tracks in and I honestly can't hear any problems with it (and I've specifically been listening for just such a thing). It sounds perfectly fine to me. (I know, I was the one who couldn't spot reversed channels on THE FUGITIVE but then [1] I've never listened out for it and [2] such a thing wouldn't necessarily bother me in the way that cack sound quality would, and [3] I don't think it's such a great score anyway. smile)

GI JOE is pretty damn good, by the way. If only there were a CD for A CHRISTMAS CAROL.... Oh well.

 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2009 - 8:34 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

It's probably my favorite score this year (with Star Trek). The "End Titles" are outstanding.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2009 - 9:19 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

My copy arrived today; I'm thirteen tracks in and I honestly can't hear any problems with it (and I've specifically been listening for just such a thing). It sounds perfectly fine to me. (I know, I was the one who couldn't spot reversed channels on THE FUGITIVE but then [1] I've never listened out for it and [2] such a thing wouldn't necessarily bother me in the way that cack sound quality would, and [3] I don't think it's such a great score anyway. smile)

GI JOE is pretty damn good, by the way. If only there were a CD for A CHRISTMAS CAROL.... Oh well.


I must say that I recently buckled and bought this too and I couldn't hear anything wrong with it either - and my ears are normally finely tuned to these things.

Ditto A Christmas Carol. Sigh.

 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2009 - 9:22 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

I can hear it only on the quieter track "What happened to her?" Other than that, it sounds okay to me.

 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2009 - 10:38 AM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

I cannot get enough of the western-ish end titles.

If only they hadn't been replaced in the film by the Black Eyed Peas (I refuse to believe Stephen Sommers had anything to do with that).

 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2009 - 1:57 PM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

This was one of the worst movies in recent memory.

The score was servicable.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2009 - 2:32 PM   
 By:   Michael24   (Member)

I cannot get enough of the western-ish end titles.

If only they hadn't been replaced in the film by the Black Eyed Peas (I refuse to believe Stephen Sommers had anything to do with that).


I agree. That had to be a studio decision, because it's known how much Sommers loves Silvestri's scores, and I find it hard to believe he himself would decide to dump that piece in favor of a crappy pop tune. It really ruined the finale for me when you have this great final piece of score closing out the film, then it segues into . . . Black Eyed frickin' Peas!?

I also hear no problems while listening to it. Sounds fine to me. This is probably my favorite score (and definitely my favorite movie) of 2009. smile

 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2009 - 2:50 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Who knows, maybe the song was always intended to go there. The unused end title piece could have started right after the song as the edited suite does.

I like the film a lot and I hope they do indeed make the sequel. I'd like to see where they take the Zartan as President thing and the escape of Cobra Commander and Destro.

 
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