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Well, Watson, there's a Maurice Jarre score and an 'epic', and something from the late '60s.
My bet is that the Jarre affair and the 'late '60s' project are one and the same. Epics were falling out of favour then, but Maurice was in full swing. But what could it be? 'Night of the Generals'? Or a dozen MJ scores of that era?
The 'epic' we know nothing at all of. It's unlikely to be Miklos Rozsa just now, we know it's not 'The War Lord' .... it COULD be 'Fall of the Roman Empire', since JF loves Tiomkin, but we know he'd be reluctant to record this one .... yet there seems to be large demand, and we know he looked at it recently. He mentioned a hankering for 'The Vikings' and 'The Ten Commandments'.
If we examine Tadlow's favourite era, there aren't that many:
Excluding Miklos Rozsa, and 'The War Lord', those that have already been re-recorded or fully released elsewhere and those he's already bagged ....
'The Bible: In the Beginning'
'Custer of the West'
'Dr. Zhivago'
'Fall of the Roman Empire'
'55 Days at Peking'
'Genghis Khan'
'Hallelujah Trail'
'Is Paris Burning?'
'It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World'
'Jesus of Nazareth'
'Khartoum'
'Monte Carlo or Bust'
'Ryan's Daughter'
'The Ten Commandments'
'The Vikings'
'War and Peace'
'Waterloo'
Or it could be Poledouris 2 with another 'Barbarian' instalment. One feels it's not Jarre, since he'd not have contrasted it with the other Jarre.
One wonders, Watson, if we're in the right cricket-ground?
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If the late 60's recording is Jarre, how about Villa Rides?
It's a great score and not available in any form except LP.
Oh James, see what you've gone and done, you've got us all over excited again. 
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Jan 28, 2011 - 1:23 AM
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JamesFitz
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Well, Watson, there's a Maurice Jarre score and an 'epic', and something from the late '60s.
My bet is that the Jarre affair and the 'late '60s' project are one and the same. Epics were falling out of favour then, but Maurice was in full swing. But what could it be? 'Night of the Generals'? Or a dozen MJ scores of that era?
The 'epic' we know nothing at all of. It's unlikely to be Miklos Rozsa just now, we know it's not 'The War Lord' .... it COULD be 'Fall of the Roman Empire', since JF loves Tiomkin, but we know he'd be reluctant to record this one .... yet there seems to be large demand, and we know he looked at it recently. He mentioned a hankering for 'The Vikings' and 'The Ten Commandments'.
If we examine Tadlow's favourite era, there aren't that many:
Excluding Miklos Rozsa, and 'The War Lord', those that have already been re-recorded or fully released elsewhere and those he's already bagged ....
'The Bible: In the Beginning'
'Custer of the West'
'Dr. Zhivago'
'Fall of the Roman Empire'
'55 Days at Peking'
'Genghis Khan'
'Hallelujah Trail'
'Is Paris Burning?'
'It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World'
'Jesus of Nazareth'
'Khartoum'
'Monte Carlo or Bust'
'Ryan's Daughter'
'The Ten Commandments'
'The Vikings'
'War and Peace'
'Waterloo'
Or it could be Poledouris 2 with another 'Barbarian' instalment. One feels it's not Jarre, since he'd not have contrasted it with the other Jarre.
One wonders, Watson, if we're in the right cricket-ground?
You off-breaks are not quite spinning back enough to hit the stumps, but quite close and there might there is a possibility of a catch in the gully or leg slip!
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Well bowled William!
Keep at it, this JamesFitz character doesn't give anything away, we'll just have to wear him down with some good tight bowling and fielding and hope he edges one to slip soon.
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Apart from that the whole thing is a technical train wreck. You can even hear a technician at the end of Destruction Of Sodom shout "We made it!".
I agree, this was (until last years Legendary release of Jesus of Nazareth) the most disappointing soundtrack purchase I've made. Poor sound quality (the double LP sounded better) mono tracks (advertised as stereo) I thought it a poor release to celebrate the Rozsa Centenary.
If James ever gets the chance to record this it would make a spectacular double cd. there's some wonderful music in this score.
What really annoyed me though, was the fact I had a ***********of the double LP which someone had transferred to cd, complete with all the artwork, and it sounded really good, stupid thing was, as soon as I'd ordered the new "Remastered Sodom and Gomorrah" I junked my ********* something I've regretted ever since.
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I don't think there's any lack of great film scores that we'd like James to rerecord, I'll go along with you on "Golden Voyage of Sinbad", as you say, the Silva Screen Suite is excellent, it was the first time I've heard the score played well, it's very very good.
On the subject of Sodom and Gomorrah, though, how come the Lp sounds so much better than the cd?
What went wrong?
I guess we'll never know, however, one thing I've learnt is, NEVER to throw away old recordings BEFORE listening to the new (improved) one. 
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Jan 28, 2011 - 2:55 AM
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pp312
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What really annoyed me though, was the fact I had a ***********of the double LP which someone had transferred to cd, complete with all the artwork, and it sounded really good
That was a wonderfully presented gatefold LP of SODOM AND GOMORRAH and I'm glad to say I still have it As much as I would, of course, welcome a rerecording I'm not sure whether it would sell terribly well given the lack of interest in the film. A better candidate for rerecording would surely be THE GOLDEN VOYAGE OF SINBAD because it is so ineptly played and badly recorded.
Are you saying Sinbad is a much better known and loved film than Sodom? I think both have been consigned to just oblivion, though Sodom is a much more ambitious film with far greater potential (I saw an edited version a few years ago called "The Last Days Of..." with much of the Italian nonsense cut out that was actually quite good). As for the relative scores, again Sodom is in a somewhat different class, as I'm sure Rozsa would have agreed. "A huge effort that sinks with the ship," he once described it, naming it as one of the scores he most wanted to see released. As attractive as Sinbad is, a huge effort it isn't.
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Jan 28, 2011 - 8:05 AM
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Joe Caps
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Personally, I prefer to have scores that have never been recorded before.
Hmmmm.
Rozsa - that Hamilton woman (the Lady Hamilton), the first of his historical romantic scores.
If theres room on the cd, fill it with just the stuff from Sodom that has not been recorded before like the uncut Main title, the battle at the dam, the finale of Act One, etc.
Steiner - Youngblood Hawke
Friedhofer, his original uncut score (most unheard in the film) for the Sun Also Rises.
Herrmann- the stuff thats gone missing - a complete Man Who Knew Too Much - without the concert piece that isn;t Herrmann anyway.
that score is short - as a filler, we could have the original Herrmann finale fo rTender is the Night, unreleased pieces from Man in the Grey Flannel Suit, Prince of Players, King of the Khyber Rifles.
Newman - the Mark of Zorro. as filler, piece number two after the credits from Ca[ptain From Castille ( the only piece SAE could not find for that release)
Include a second cd of all of the missing music from David and Bathsheba and as filler for that disc, the missing music from Prince of Foxes.. FSM disc was wonderful but a few pieces were missing.
Waxman - as filler to another score, the few missing pieces from Prince Valiant and Demetrius and the Gladiators
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On the subject of Sodom and Gomorrah, though, how come the Lp sounds so much better than the cd?
What went wrong?
I put the Digitmovies 2CD though a Coolpro edit, and you can see that the waveform is absurdly clipped. That's why the hi-end sounds brittle. It needn't have happened, it was clearly the transfer that did it. I have the original 2LP and the RCA Pelicula album, which sound great. The BMG/RCA CD isn't transferred well either, still some clipping off. The remastering was done at too high a volume in both cases. But you can tell the elements are in great shape.
Before we slag off the Digitmovies people however, it's worth remembering that remastering is an art, and at the time that was released, there was a universal consensus among the 'buffs' (including here!) that reverb was Satanic, and dry sound was sacred. I never agreed with that. FSM allow a slight gloss on their recordings, and that's why they're so great. The same people who said, 'I hate reverb' were the very people who said 'FSM is brilliant'.
So if I were a remasterer in those days, I'd probably CONSIDER allowing a drier sound to please the fans .... and that may well be why they did it this way. The only way to improve the Digitmovies CDs would be to add slight reverb to delay the gaps in the clipped wave. I don't think anyone here would even attempt that, because of DOGMA. The *%**leg wasn't too bad as an album transfer, but had poorer definition in the bass and less clarity.
The old Citadel 'The Power' LP had one extra dance from Sodom, which never made it to any other release. A version of a section of the 'Twins' Dance', used in the sctual film.
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'The Bible: In the Beginning'
'Custer of the West'
'Dr. Zhivago'
'Fall of the Roman Empire'
'55 Days at Peking'
'Genghis Khan'
'Hallelujah Trail'
'Is Paris Burning?'
'It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World'
'Jesus of Nazareth'
'Khartoum'
'Monte Carlo or Bust'
'Ryan's Daughter'
'The Ten Commandments'
'The Vikings'
'War and Peace'
'Waterloo'
Or it could be Poledouris 2 with another 'Barbarian' instalment. One feels it's not Jarre, since he'd not have contrasted it with the other Jarre.
Your off-breaks are not quite spinning back enough to hit the stumps, but quite close and there is a possibility of a catch in the gully or leg slip!
Eureka Watson. This could mean one of two things:
If there's a possibility of a catch in gully OR legslip, then the ball may have been hit to THIRD MAN. If this is so, then we must ask from which end the over is delivered. That suggests either 'Doctor Zhivago' or 'The Vikings', third from each end of the list.
HOWEVER, if we think of the two ends as creases, then the clue may refer to something just behind the wicket, i.e. in the last paragraph about Poledouris?
Or could we be barking to silly mid-off, Watson?
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