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 Posted:   Mar 7, 2012 - 10:31 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

Some people have been reporting that some recent Amazon Mp3s have been transcoded -- that is, they've been converted to their present form from an already lossy source, which just means it loses quality 100% of the time, even if the bitrate is higher.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2012 - 10:37 AM   
 By:   moviescore1   (Member)

Unfortunately I think the download sold by Amazon was poorly encoded to MP3. There is a strange wavering quality to the volume level of certain elements in the lower dynamic range. Listen to the first 30 seconds of 'Barsoom Is The Prize' on headphones and you'll hear a great example, but I heard it crop up in many places throughout the album.

I have encountered this same issue once before with bought MP3s-- it was when eMusic went live with a huge catalog addition of Universal titles. People quickly noticed the new Universal offerings sounded weird, especially on choral and solo piano music. It turned out that while the bit rate was fine, eMusic had encoded the MP3s with an outdated codec (Frauenhofer instead of LAME), and, much more damagingly, had done so with the fastest encoding settings. I think something similar happened here. It sounds the same to my ears. The bitrate is high but something is very off.

The score is great! But these files suck. And I say that as someone who happily listens to MP3s all the time.


This happens every time I've downloaded an MP3 from a Disney release. Captain America had the same wavering quality to it, Tangled had it, Christmas Carol had it. Whatever they are doing to encode the music, it's always off. I stopped buying the Mp3 version of Disney scores because of this. I would rather rip the physical CD with a higher bitrate and lose the wavering quality. There were times when listening to the scores in headphones it sounded like they were under water.

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2012 - 10:38 AM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

Anyway, this is one big bulk of a score to digest!!! Perhaps too overwhelming? (but I love it!)

You can be sure an expanded, bulkier version is already being planned :-)

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2012 - 10:57 AM   
 By:   book1245   (Member)

Got my shipping notice. Amazon has been good in the past few weeks, and I get my packages about two days later at the most, so I should have it on the day of the movie's release (of course I'll have already seen the movie at midnight :-D )

I can't wait to replace the ripped YouTube samples with the CD in iTunes!!

And I'd gladly buy another bulkier, longer version some time from now to get more of this wondrous theme! ;-)

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2012 - 11:16 AM   
 By:   Jon Lewis   (Member)

This happens every time I've downloaded an MP3 from a Disney release. Captain America had the same wavering quality to it, Tangled had it, Christmas Carol had it. Whatever they are doing to encode the music, it's always off. I stopped buying the Mp3 version of Disney scores because of this. I would rather rip the physical CD with a higher bitrate and lose the wavering quality. There were times when listening to the scores in headphones it sounded like they were under water.

Weird. I know that eMusic receives lossless files from the labels and then converts them themselves. So I assumed Amazon MP3 works that way too. But this suggests Disney is supplying Amazon with already (weirdly) encoded files. The question that comes to mind now is whether the m4A files sold on iTunes of Disney releases also have this watery, wavery quality...

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2012 - 12:03 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

I really don't mind them myself; I think they're kinda funny.

I hate to be a sour grape, but in what mindset is something like "Carter They Come, Carter They Fall" funny? It seems to try to be funny, but in the end it's just a thoughtless pun.

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2012 - 12:11 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

I really don't mind them myself; I think they're kinda funny.

I hate to be a sour grape, but in what mindset is something like "Carter They Come, Carter They Fall" funny? It seems to try to be funny, but in the end it's just a thoughtless pun.


It makes me yearn for the days of John Williams and "The [blank] Scene."

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2012 - 12:13 PM   
 By:   jedizim   (Member)

I really don't mind them myself; I think they're kinda funny.

I hate to be a sour grape, but in what mindset is something like "Carter They Come, Carter They Fall" funny? It seems to try to be funny, but in the end it's just a thoughtless pun.


Apparently in MY mindset...I find his titles amusing as well. You don't have to be a stick in the mud with no sense of humor to enjoy score music!!!

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2012 - 12:16 PM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

I don't mind playful track titles but it does bug when the title gives you NO idea what scene the music accompanies.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2012 - 12:27 PM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

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 Posted:   Mar 7, 2012 - 12:27 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

I don't mind playful track titles but it does bug when the title gives you NO idea what scene the music accompanies.

"It's like I'm sayin'."

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2012 - 12:35 PM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

Here is the tracklist: IF JERRY GOLDSMITH WROTE IT

1. Main Title (7:39)
2. Carter Arrival (4:25)
3. No Gravity (1:20)
4. Barsoom (2:56)
5. The Pursuit (5:34)
6. The Temple (3:25)
7. Zodanga (4:02)
8. The Blue Light (4:13)
9. The Fight (3:55)
10. The Truth Revealed (3:06)
11. A Warning (4:04)
12. The Apes (2:36)
13. The Challenge (2:23)
14. The Prize (4:29)
15. Helium Fight (4:34)
16. Just You Wait (2:07)
17. The Revelation (1:19)
18. Epilogue (3:13)
19. Finale/End Title (8:53)
TOTAL TIME: 74:13

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2012 - 12:57 PM   
 By:   Jon Lewis   (Member)

LOL, A+

I just feel bad for MG's collaborator who comes up with them. He MUST be reaching the point of regretting the whole tradition by now.

"Let's see... dragon... dragon my heart around... dragon down the average... I hate my life."

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2012 - 1:20 PM   
 By:   Erik Woods   (Member)

I don't mind playful track titles but it does bug when the title gives you NO idea what scene the music accompanies.

Christopher Young's HUSH must have really pissed you off!

1. Hush (19:16)
2. Little Baby (04:21)
3. Don't You Cry (07:48)
4. Mama's Gonna Buy (05:55)
5. You (04:16)
6. A (03:57)

wink

-Erik-

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2012 - 2:03 PM   
 By:   David (Giacchino-fan)   (Member)

I really don't mind them myself; I think they're kinda funny.

I hate to be a sour grape, but in what mindset is something like "Carter They Come, Carter They Fall" funny? It seems to try to be funny, but in the end it's just a thoughtless pun.


It's a pun. The point is, many a time, to induce a groan rather than a laugh (I assume). I should have said I find some funny and others amusing.

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2012 - 2:15 PM   
 By:   Mark Langdon   (Member)

Here is the tracklist: IF JERRY GOLDSMITH WROTE IT

1. Main Title (7:39)
2. Carter Arrival (4:25)
3. No Gravity (1:20)
4. Barsoom (2:56)
5. The Pursuit (5:34)
6. The Temple (3:25)
7. Zodanga (4:02)
8. The Blue Light (4:13)
9. The Fight (3:55)
10. The Truth Revealed (3:06)
11. A Warning (4:04)
12. The Apes (2:36)
13. The Challenge (2:23)
14. The Prize (4:29)
15. Helium Fight (4:34)
16. Just You Wait (2:07)
17. The Revelation (1:19)
18. Epilogue (3:13)
19. Finale/End Title (8:53)
TOTAL TIME: 74:13


You forgot First Flight, Final Fight, A New Friend and A Free Ride. big grin

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2012 - 3:35 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

Apparently in MY mindset...I find his titles amusing as well. You don't have to be a stick in the mud with no sense of humor to enjoy score music!!!

Like I said, I'm not trying to be a stick in the mud. In fact, I think Marco Beltrami (or at least whoever writes his track titles) has better sense of wit than whomever does it for Giacchino. I'll take titles like "Nomack the Knife," "Chinese Democracy," and "William's Castle" (which actually work in context of their appearance in the respective films -- Blade II, 3:10 to Yuma, and Underworld: Evolution, respectively) over "From Russia With Shove" or "Thark Side of Barsoom." It just resorts to a simple quip without any payoff. The music deserves better.

Anyway, what the Hell am I talking about? This score is absolutely fantastic!

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2012 - 4:01 PM   
 By:   David (Giacchino-fan)   (Member)

This score is absolutely fantastic!


AUGH! My order is taking so long to process! I'll probably hear it for the first time when I see it Saturday - which isn't a bad thing, but I've been wanting to hear on disc (not Youtube) what many are saying is an incredibly rich, fantastic Giacchino score.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2012 - 4:23 PM   
 By:   fmenard   (Member)

Goldenthal has always the best track titles, but I would have loved if Giacchino self-referenced himself with a "Barsoom' worst xxxxx" track title smile

 
 Posted:   Mar 7, 2012 - 5:24 PM   
 By:   Uhtred   (Member)

Just watched the film and had a blast. Hope my CD ships soon.

 
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