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 Posted:   Jul 8, 2013 - 9:41 AM   
 By:   OnlyGoodMusic   (Member)

most of his great scores are from years past.

There are no GREAT Zimmer scores. Lack of craftsmanship and inspiration preclude this.

However, there ARE some decent and entertaining pre-2000, pre-wall of sound Hans Zimmer scores, whoever made them possible, like Pacific Heights. And there's one "important" Zimmer score, The Lion King, also pre-2000.

 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2013 - 2:25 PM   
 By:   Loren   (Member)

There are no GREAT Zimmer scores. Lack of craftsmanship and inspiration preclude this.

I propose you change your name to OnlyOldMusic, Mr. Repeat Yourself endlessly.
Of course there are plenty of great, and some very great, Zimmer scores.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2013 - 2:35 PM   
 By:   Jon Broxton   (Member)

most of his great scores are from years past.

There are no GREAT Zimmer scores. Lack of craftsmanship and inspiration preclude this.

However, there ARE some decent and entertaining pre-2000, pre-wall of sound Hans Zimmer scores, whoever made them possible, like Pacific Heights. And there's one "important" Zimmer score, The Lion King, also pre-2000.


Crimson Tide, Backdraft, The Prince of Egypt, and Pirates of the Caribbean III beg to differ.

 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2013 - 2:37 PM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

Crimson Tide, Backdraft, The Prince of Egypt, and Pirates of the Caribbean III beg to differ.

YOR agrees.

These are all mediocre scores by any standards.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2013 - 2:39 PM   
 By:   Jon Broxton   (Member)

Crimson Tide, Backdraft, The Prince of Egypt, and Pirates of the Caribbean III beg to differ.

YOR agrees.

These are all mediocre scores by any standards.


They are all great by my standards.

 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2013 - 2:49 PM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

Crimson Tide, Backdraft, The Prince of Egypt, and Pirates of the Caribbean III beg to differ.

YOR agrees.

These are all mediocre scores by any standards.


They are all great by my standards.


 
 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2013 - 12:25 AM   
 By:   Jon Broxton   (Member)

My review of THE LONE RANGER, for anyone who is interested:

http://moviemusicuk.us/2013/07/09/the-lone-ranger-hans-zimmer/

Jon

 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2013 - 4:03 AM   
 By:   OnlyGoodMusic   (Member)

They are all great by my standards.

Well, that tells us something about some people's standards.

From your review: "Zimmer publicly expressed a desire to write an old-fashioned, full-on Western action score, and this is the result of that wish."

An "old-fashioned, full-on Western action score" is nowhere in sight. Perhaps you don't know ANY of those, then you should listen from everything between Dmitri Tiomkin to Bruce Broughton to get an idea what this phrase really means!

Just listened to TLR again, and this music is just instantly forgettable. Not the shapeless, tuneless mess he "created" for MoS, but just an amalgam of previous Zimmer elements from RANGO or SHERLOCK HOLMES, each cue extremely primitive and wallpaper-like. Useless!

 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2013 - 4:12 AM   
 By:   Loren   (Member)

My review of THE LONE RANGER, for anyone who is interested:

http://moviemusicuk.us/2013/07/09/the-lone-ranger-hans-zimmer/

Jon


very well prepared review, good work

 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2013 - 5:12 AM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

Perhaps you don't know ANY of those, then you should listen from everything between Dmitri Tiomkin to Bruce Broughton to get an idea what this phrase really means!

Someone actually just said this to Jon Broxton. Gold!

 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2013 - 7:38 AM   
 By:   Matt B   (Member)

This endless Zimmer bashing makes me think of this quote from John Travolta, in the middle of his infamous pre-Pulp Fiction career slump:

"You know, I was never as great as they used to say I was. And I'm not as bad as they say I am now."

 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2013 - 7:38 AM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

Perhaps you don't know ANY of those, then you should listen from everything between Dmitri Tiomkin to Bruce Broughton to get an idea what this phrase really means!

Someone actually just said this to Jon Broxton. Gold!


Indeed, that's like saying Jeff Bond has never heard a score by Jerry Goldsmith! Broxton's film music knowledge is vast and insightful.

 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2013 - 7:58 AM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

This endless Zimmer bashing makes me think of this quote from John Travolta, in the middle of his infamous pre-Pulp Fiction career slump:

"You know, I was never as great as they used to say I was. And I'm not as bad as they say I am now."


That's a great quote.

 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2013 - 8:35 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

OnlyLameComments

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2013 - 12:42 PM   
 By:   Dr Lenera   (Member)

I am not a Zimmer hater by any means. As someone mentioned though, most of his great scores are from years past. The last few years he has been the go-to guy for background music as scores, and they rightly deserve disdain.

Which is why I started that other thread with Zimmer actually wrote a score! This is the closest he has come to some of his original work from long ago, and he deserves credit for that.

Credit where credit is due. When Zimmer does good, I'm more than willing to cheer. When Zimmer does bad, I'm more than willing to boo. It's not the man, it's the music!


That's pretty much my feelings. I enjoy some of his older stuff and I would, for instance, buy a complete Lion King in a heartbeat. His music was always very simple, though that doesn't have to be a bad thing [I adore Barry for instance]. But much of his recent stuff, and the huge number of identikit scores that it has spawned from Zimmer's disciples [some of whom do have talent and are sometimes allowed to show it], I think are just horrid. It totally lacks soul, as if it was written by machines, rather than a human or humans.

I think that some of us are seriously concerned about the art that we love, the direction it is heading in and so forth, so we feel justified in constantly put forward our views even if it is just repeating the same words over and over again!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2013 - 1:51 PM   
 By:   facehugger   (Member)

I enjoy some of his older stuff and I would, for instance, buy a complete Lion King in a heartbeat.

I advise you think twice before throwing your hard-earned money at that.

I used to love The Lion King score when I was around 14 and first started paying attention to film scores. And I had wished for a complete of TLK score for many years. But recently I had a chance to listen to the semi-complete version. And it did not sound good.

Even the part I liked best (when Mufasa gave his speech to Simba about past kings in the sky) does not sound so great after this many years.

'sides, there is not much missing from the currently available commercial version.

If you want more TLK, Power of One is essentially TLK Redux.

 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2013 - 5:47 PM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

They are all great by my standards.

Well, that tells us something about some people's standards.

From your review: "Zimmer publicly expressed a desire to write an old-fashioned, full-on Western action score, and this is the result of that wish."

An "old-fashioned, full-on Western action score" is nowhere in sight. Perhaps you don't know ANY of those, then you should listen from everything between Dmitri Tiomkin to Bruce Broughton to get an idea what this phrase really means!

Just listened to TLR again, and this music is just instantly forgettable. Not the shapeless, tuneless mess he "created" for MoS, but just an amalgam of previous Zimmer elements from RANGO or SHERLOCK HOLMES, each cue extremely primitive and wallpaper-like. Useless!


Well said!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2013 - 10:12 PM   
 By:   Alex Klein   (Member)

They are all great by my standards.

Well, that tells us something about some people's standards.

From your review: "Zimmer publicly expressed a desire to write an old-fashioned, full-on Western action score, and this is the result of that wish."

An "old-fashioned, full-on Western action score" is nowhere in sight. Perhaps you don't know ANY of those, then you should listen from everything between Dmitri Tiomkin to Bruce Broughton to get an idea what this phrase really means!

Just listened to TLR again, and this music is just instantly forgettable. Not the shapeless, tuneless mess he "created" for MoS, but just an amalgam of previous Zimmer elements from RANGO or SHERLOCK HOLMES, each cue extremely primitive and wallpaper-like. Useless!


Well said!


Zimmer represents everything I hate about contemporary film music.
Sorry, can't help it.

Alex

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2013 - 2:07 PM   
 By:   jonathan_little   (Member)

I feel like Zimmer is putting out two sorts of works these days:

Derivatives of Sherlock Holmes
Derivatives of Inception

This is OK, but clearly the guy has a lot more talent than he's putting to use these days.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2013 - 2:55 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

I feel like Zimmer is putting out two sorts of works these days:
Derivatives of Sherlock Holmes
Derivatives of Inception
This is OK, but clearly the guy has a lot more talent than he's putting to use these days.



See, this is sort of what I keep saying.

We won't ever know what some of these guys can really do if they are constantly hamstrung by the suits. For all we know (as unlikely as it may seem) they could be coming up with excellent work more often than we think, but the movie execs simply MUST follow the same tired, derivative formula and put the kibosh on taking chances.

 
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