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most of his great scores are from years past.
There are no GREAT Zimmer scores. Lack of craftsmanship and inspiration preclude this.
However, there ARE some decent and entertaining pre-2000, pre-wall of sound Hans Zimmer scores, whoever made them possible, like Pacific Heights. And there's one "important" Zimmer score, The Lion King, also pre-2000.
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most of his great scores are from years past.
There are no GREAT Zimmer scores. Lack of craftsmanship and inspiration preclude this.
However, there ARE some decent and entertaining pre-2000, pre-wall of sound Hans Zimmer scores, whoever made them possible, like Pacific Heights. And there's one "important" Zimmer score, The Lion King, also pre-2000.
Crimson Tide, Backdraft, The Prince of Egypt, and Pirates of the Caribbean III beg to differ.
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Crimson Tide, Backdraft, The Prince of Egypt, and Pirates of the Caribbean III beg to differ.
YOR agrees.
These are all mediocre scores by any standards.
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Crimson Tide, Backdraft, The Prince of Egypt, and Pirates of the Caribbean III beg to differ.
YOR agrees.
These are all mediocre scores by any standards.
They are all great by my standards.
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Crimson Tide, Backdraft, The Prince of Egypt, and Pirates of the Caribbean III beg to differ.
YOR agrees.
These are all mediocre scores by any standards.
They are all great by my standards.
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They are all great by my standards.
Well, that tells us something about some people's standards.
From your review: "Zimmer publicly expressed a desire to write an old-fashioned, full-on Western action score, and this is the result of that wish."
An "old-fashioned, full-on Western action score" is nowhere in sight. Perhaps you don't know ANY of those, then you should listen from everything between Dmitri Tiomkin to Bruce Broughton to get an idea what this phrase really means!
Just listened to TLR again, and this music is just instantly forgettable. Not the shapeless, tuneless mess he "created" for MoS, but just an amalgam of previous Zimmer elements from RANGO or SHERLOCK HOLMES, each cue extremely primitive and wallpaper-like. Useless!
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This endless Zimmer bashing makes me think of this quote from John Travolta, in the middle of his infamous pre-Pulp Fiction career slump:
"You know, I was never as great as they used to say I was. And I'm not as bad as they say I am now."
That's a great quote.
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Jul 9, 2013 - 1:42 PM
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Dr Lenera
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I am not a Zimmer hater by any means. As someone mentioned though, most of his great scores are from years past. The last few years he has been the go-to guy for background music as scores, and they rightly deserve disdain.
Which is why I started that other thread with Zimmer actually wrote a score! This is the closest he has come to some of his original work from long ago, and he deserves credit for that.
Credit where credit is due. When Zimmer does good, I'm more than willing to cheer. When Zimmer does bad, I'm more than willing to boo. It's not the man, it's the music!
That's pretty much my feelings. I enjoy some of his older stuff and I would, for instance, buy a complete Lion King in a heartbeat. His music was always very simple, though that doesn't have to be a bad thing [I adore Barry for instance]. But much of his recent stuff, and the huge number of identikit scores that it has spawned from Zimmer's disciples [some of whom do have talent and are sometimes allowed to show it], I think are just horrid. It totally lacks soul, as if it was written by machines, rather than a human or humans.
I think that some of us are seriously concerned about the art that we love, the direction it is heading in and so forth, so we feel justified in constantly put forward our views even if it is just repeating the same words over and over again!
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They are all great by my standards.
Well, that tells us something about some people's standards.
From your review: "Zimmer publicly expressed a desire to write an old-fashioned, full-on Western action score, and this is the result of that wish."
An "old-fashioned, full-on Western action score" is nowhere in sight. Perhaps you don't know ANY of those, then you should listen from everything between Dmitri Tiomkin to Bruce Broughton to get an idea what this phrase really means!
Just listened to TLR again, and this music is just instantly forgettable. Not the shapeless, tuneless mess he "created" for MoS, but just an amalgam of previous Zimmer elements from RANGO or SHERLOCK HOLMES, each cue extremely primitive and wallpaper-like. Useless!
Well said!
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Jul 9, 2013 - 11:12 PM
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Alex Klein
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They are all great by my standards.
Well, that tells us something about some people's standards.
From your review: "Zimmer publicly expressed a desire to write an old-fashioned, full-on Western action score, and this is the result of that wish."
An "old-fashioned, full-on Western action score" is nowhere in sight. Perhaps you don't know ANY of those, then you should listen from everything between Dmitri Tiomkin to Bruce Broughton to get an idea what this phrase really means!
Just listened to TLR again, and this music is just instantly forgettable. Not the shapeless, tuneless mess he "created" for MoS, but just an amalgam of previous Zimmer elements from RANGO or SHERLOCK HOLMES, each cue extremely primitive and wallpaper-like. Useless!
Well said!
Zimmer represents everything I hate about contemporary film music.
Sorry, can't help it.
Alex
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I feel like Zimmer is putting out two sorts of works these days:
Derivatives of Sherlock Holmes
Derivatives of Inception
This is OK, but clearly the guy has a lot more talent than he's putting to use these days.
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