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 Posted:   Aug 23, 2013 - 11:30 AM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

BK, let's just hear Poltergeist II! Maybe it will shut everybody up for a change.

smile Most of the posts in this thread have been fine. It's just the usual suspects who do this each and every time. One of them lays low for a while until she thinks the time is perfect. Otherwise, I do enjoy the interaction with folks about the music, the sources, whatever. It's not enjoyable when the same people come into these threads and do the same thing over and over again. That's what's wearying - it's ALL about the music. That discussion I am happy to continue.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2013 - 11:33 AM   
 By:   captain_avis   (Member)

Blimey this thread is quite something else. I don't know enough about the recording engineering to be able to weigh in on the Kritzerland vs. Intrada debate, but what's the point? The proof will be in whatever the final Kritzerland disk sounds like... we haven't even heard the sound clips on the website yet!

I have about a dozen Kritzerland releases and the sound is impeccable on all of them, so from where I stand, Bruce deserves the benefit of the doubt on this. If the disk arrives and it's not up to snuff then fire away at him, but give the man a break until then!

Chris.

 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2013 - 11:38 AM   
 By:   Miles (MerM)   (Member)

That's what's wearying - it's ALL about the music. That discussion I am happy to continue.

Like I said on Intrada (I'm the intervening poster Ron referred to), I'm digging the discussion, and I think others are too. So the back-and-forth isn't for nothing. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2013 - 11:54 AM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Blimey this thread is quite something else. I don't know enough about the recording engineering to be able to weigh in on the Kritzerland vs. Intrada debate, but what's the point? The proof will be in whatever the final Kritzerland disk sounds like... we haven't even heard the sound clips on the website yet!

I have about a dozen Kritzerland releases and the sound is impeccable on all of them, so from where I stand, Bruce deserves the benefit of the doubt on this. If the disk arrives and it's not up to snuff then fire away at him, but give the man a break until then!

Chris.


Just want to be clear again - there is no difference in the orchestral placement or even in the orchestral mixes, really - it's all in the shaping of the sound, having less wash on the choir so that it doesn't obscure orchestral detail, and I'll just restate that the half-inch analogue tapes are much more pleasant sounding than the 1986 digital tapes. Lukas has been down that road before, too - give me great analogue any day of the week as compared to any of that early digital stuff. The music breathes, shines, has a warmth, the the powerful stuff is amazing when it's not slammed into the red for the entire duration of a CD as it was with the Varese.

 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2013 - 12:38 PM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

I just have the original Intrada 30 min CD which IMO is an excellent listen. I wasn't planning on getting this Kritzerland release but with all the controversy it's now a definite must have!.

Despite this dfference of opinion, it is important to remember that both Bruce and Doug do a great job and have released so many superb CDs.

They both deserve our respect and thanks.

 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2013 - 12:47 PM   
 By:   Ross1972   (Member)

Easily one of my favorite scores. And I find it a much more enjoyable listen than the original.

I bought the first, truncated release back in '86. And then both expanded versions. I'll be first in line for the 4th.

Have we determined when this is actually coming out?

 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2013 - 1:02 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Easily one of my favorite scores. And I find it a much more enjoyable listen than the original.

I bought the first, truncated release back in '86. And then both expanded versions. I'll be first in line for the 4th.

Have we determined when this is actually coming out?



Monday, bra.

 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2013 - 1:09 PM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

Seems odd to me to not include Goldsmith's preferred LP arrangement on the second disc when there was clearly room for it after the bonus tracks.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2013 - 1:21 PM   
 By:   rickO   (Member)

Bruce,

Just so you know, I have utmost respect for you and others who have taken the time, spent the money, and really put your heart and soul into these releases. Poltergeist (I and II) and their music, have been a source of fascination for me since I was 9 years old! The fact that you are doing a new CD of II is a dream come true. I have always wanted all of the music. And I agree about your feelings with the Varese release having that shrill sound. It will be a real treat to hear a warmer, richer sound (the closest comparison I can make is with the original soundtrack for ET. Wasn't that album also analogue?).

I am particularly interested in the choral stinger at the end of opening cue ... will it sound more like it is in the film (meaning loud and upfront)? It sounded like the chorus literally screamed in terror. Was that a music bit or was it a dialogue thing?

Will "The Worm" have the louder choral whispers as heard in the film?

The cue "The Past" has a brief keyboard melody that doesn't show up anywhere else in the score. It's a cool transition, the kind Goldsmith was so good at doing. Also featured in "The Past" is that insane fright motif from the first score. I always missed this cue on CD.

"The Dream" or "Scary Vision" has a percussion heavy version of Kane's chant theme.

I could go on all day about this one. It's good stuff...

-Rick O.




 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2013 - 1:27 PM   
 By:   Ross1972   (Member)

Seems odd to me to not include Goldsmith's preferred LP arrangement on the second disc when there was clearly room for it after the bonus tracks.

But what would be the point? The original release just had fewer tracks. The tracks themselves are simply the same. Unlike the original, where the lp versions were edited much differently.

 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2013 - 1:30 PM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

Seems odd to me to not include Goldsmith's preferred LP arrangement on the second disc when there was clearly room for it after the bonus tracks.

I'm sure it wont be that hard to recreate using the film score, personally I think Goldsmith made a horrible arrangement of the score with that truncated album version, felt like a short sampler considering a lot of "Reaching Out" wasn't used in the movie. Like intrada have rightfully pointed out their special edition is the program to go to, it brought out all the highlights (I'm sure that program is also easy to recreate using the film score on the new Kritzerland). So for me no big deal that it is left off and I have zero remorse of having sold that original album.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2013 - 1:46 PM   
 By:   Kim Tong   (Member)

Seems odd to me to not include Goldsmith's preferred LP arrangement on the second disc when there was clearly room for it after the bonus tracks.

But what would be the point? The original release just had fewer tracks. The tracks themselves are simply the same. Unlike the original, where the lp versions were edited much differently.


Bruce did it for the GORKY PARK release. If is does not cost anything extra and there is room, why not include it?

 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2013 - 1:50 PM   
 By:   Ross1972   (Member)

Seems odd to me to not include Goldsmith's preferred LP arrangement on the second disc when there was clearly room for it after the bonus tracks.

But what would be the point? The original release just had fewer tracks. The tracks themselves are simply the same. Unlike the original, where the lp versions were edited much differently.


Bruce did it for the GORKY PARK release. If is does not cost anything extra and there is room, why not include it?


But what's different about it other than it only being 5 of the 18(?) tracks? They aren't different edits.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2013 - 2:09 PM   
 By:   rickO   (Member)

Seems odd to me to not include Goldsmith's preferred LP arrangement on the second disc when there was clearly room for it after the bonus tracks.

But what would be the point? The original release just had fewer tracks. The tracks themselves are simply the same. Unlike the original, where the lp versions were edited much differently.


Bruce did it for the GORKY PARK release. If is does not cost anything extra and there is room, why not include it?


But what's different about it other than it only being 5 of the 18(?) tracks? They aren't different edits.


The original album's tracks are exactly the same as those on the re-issues. The only major difference is

- The Worm. On the original version, the cue is cut off before the segue into the second part of the sequence.

The ring effect in Late Call is preserved on the Kritzerland and also can be heard without it.

-Rick O.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2013 - 2:35 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Seems odd to me to not include Goldsmith's preferred LP arrangement on the second disc when there was clearly room for it after the bonus tracks.

But what would be the point? The original release just had fewer tracks. The tracks themselves are simply the same. Unlike the original, where the lp versions were edited much differently.


Exactly.

 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2013 - 2:49 PM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

I'm NOT complaining, just curious:

Why did it make sense to include the LP sequence for Gorky Park, but not this one?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2013 - 3:05 PM   
 By:   Kim Tong   (Member)

I'm NOT complaining, just curious:

Why did it make sense to include the LP sequence for Gorky Park, but not this one?


To fill the CD up?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2013 - 3:07 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

I'm NOT complaining, just curious:

Why did it make sense to include the LP sequence for Gorky Park, but not this one?


Because I put Gorky Park in film order and thought that was a nifty idea on a short CD, so that people didn't have to create that in iTunes. For Poltergeist II I saw no reason whatsoever to include that thirty minute album presentation. It was done at a time when reuse fees precluded it being longer and it is pointless. I hope that satisfies your curiosity I hope you understand that had any other label done this it wouldn't be on their album either, whether it would fit or not. Perhaps I should have made it a three-CD set and put on the original, the Intrada, the Varese redo and ours. smile

 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2013 - 3:49 PM   
 By:   DeviantMan   (Member)

I've never liked the original LP arrangement.
Essentially, it sucked... Late Call is a great cue though.

I'll definitely get this as the complete score is wonderful.



 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2013 - 4:27 PM   
 By:   Ross1972   (Member)

I'm not real versed in the technical side of music. Can someone explain what is meant by a "Wet orchestra"?

 
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