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Mar 24, 2014 - 1:13 PM
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philiperic
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I've been driving myself crazy for several days trying to match up the music from the LP and CDs to the movie, to find out what's what, what exactly the LP tracks are, what's on the LP that isn't on the CDs, and what music isn't represented on the LP or the CDs (and there's a lot!).
So far, I've found out that the music in the movie is kind of a mess, with many cues severely edited. The UA LP does indeed provide some music that is not on the Legend CDs. The Soundtrack Library CD is also a mess. The "Overture" and "Intermission" are just suites cobbled together out of cues from elsewhere in the score. Some cues are put where they don't belong, or are mislabeled. So, in the long run, that CD's longer length is mostly due to repeated cues.
There's a great piece that's almost completely dialed out in the film, when Solomon talks to God after the death of David. It IS on the LP, as well as the CDs, but it is incorrectly listed as "Death of David" on the Legend CDs.
The UA LP provides some music that is not on the Legend CDs.
Also, the earlier Legend CD that pairs the score with THE VIKINGS apparently has the original ending. It appears that in the final editing of the film, the decision was made to switch the End Title and End Cast music. I'll comment further on this in a future post, after I've finished my headache-inducing research. When I'm done, I should be able to provide a list of cues in the film, plus where they can (or cannot) be found on the LP and CDs.
There's probably a good twenty minutes of music in the film that is not available on the LP or CDs, which is really too bad; this is just a wonderful Nascimbene score.
Like many fellow message boarders, I wish Jim every success in getting to grips with the content of Solomon & Sheba's soundtrack incarnations! Regarding the Arnold contributions, mentioned elsewhere, he is listed three times on the ASCAP cue sheet and provided the following cues "Gifts", "Sheba's encampment" and "Candle scene", all of which add up to just short of 6 minutes.
Jim, if you'd like a scanned copy of the cue sheet to assist (or confuse even further), let me have your email and I'll gladly oblige.
Thanks for the very interesting info on Arnold's contributions to the score --
how about removing the 10 or so DPs?
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Mar 24, 2014 - 2:25 PM
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O.K., I might find further revelations as I continue working on this, but so far, here’s the lowdown:
After transferring the audio of the film, and all of the available LP and CD tracks into ProTools, I tried match up LP or CD counterparts to the music heard in the film itself. The results, so far, are these:
1.) The Soundtrack Library CD basically contains everything that’s on Legend CD 29, and adds some extra tracks (but not ALL tracks), that were on the UA LP but not on Legend CD 29. The “Overture” and “Intermission” cuts appear to be hack jobs done by Soundtrack Library. The “Overture” consists of already-available cues from the battle scenes and the orgiastic dance, laid out thusly: Battle Music/Orgiastic Dance/other Battle Music. The “Intermission” is similarly concocted of cues from: Orgiastic Dance/Battle Music/Finale. There is absolutely NO new music in these concocted pieces. However, there IS a short choral piece ("Revelation," when Solomon receives the idea to polish their shields), which is exclusive to this CD.
2.) Legend CD 9 (the one that couples this score with that of THE VIKINGS), although it is mono, contains a track found nowhere else, the version of “Death of Abishag” as it appears in the film, as opposed to the version heard on the other recordings, which appears to be an alternate version of this cue. Also, this CD offers a finale that is different from that in the film itself, as it reverses the End Title and End Cast music. The way the music in the film sort of fades up as Sheba descends the temple steps, and the way the End Cast music ends with a horrible fake reverb, seems to suggest that the order on Legend CD 9 was indeed the original intention, but somebody decided to flip-flop the two pieces in post-production.
In general, a few cues are much longer on the recordings than they are in the film (for instance, the mysterious, vocal-infused cue, “Solomon and Sheba”).
Here’s a list of titles I’ve assigned to all the cues in the film, plus, when available, where you can find them on Legend CD 29, and on the UA soundtrack LP. (I still have to cross-reference the cues found on the Soundtrack Library CD, but as I said, there’s nothing new to be found there, except for “Revelation”). As you will see, MUCH of the score has not been released.
Main Title (L CD 14; LP A-6)
First Battle, Part One (LP A-2)
First Battle, Part Two
Sheba Rides Off
Jerusalem (Chanting)
David on Deathbed (L CD 15)
Coronation of Solomon
Death of David
Solomon Talks with God (L CD 16; LP A-7)
Sheep at the River
The Temple is Finished
Solomon Speaks in Temple
The City of Sheba
Sheba’s Caravan 1
Sheba’s Caravan 2
Fanfare for Sheba’s Arrival
Street Music
Gifts from Sheba/Festival (M. Arnold)
Sheba and Abishag
Sheba’s Prayer to Rah-Gon
Sheba at Judgment
A Day Together/Sheban Camp (L CD 17; LP B-7/B-4)
Sheba’s Offering to Rah-Gon
Waiting for Solomon/Solomon and Abishag (M. Arnold)
Solomon Seeks Sheba
Blind to Truth/Solomon and Sheba (L CD 18; LP B-8/B-2)
Sheba and Baltor’s Plan
Religious Differences
Fanfare 1
Fanfare 2
Orgiastic Dance (L CD 20; two parts of it: LP A-1, LP A-5)
Death of Abishag (Film version: Legend CD 9, cut 15; possible alternate version: L CD 21; LP B-5)
Mourning Abishag (Although this cue starts the same way in the film and on the LP/CD, it changes
after the opening instrumental piece. It is either an alternate for this scene, or was written for
some other scene, but not used.) (L CD 24; LP B-3)
Sheba Secretly Sees Solomon
Solomon Ousted
Drums Before Battle
Leaving for Battle (chanting)
Final Battle, Part One (LP A-4)
Sheba’s Prayer
Revelation/The Soldiers Return (Revelation is found only on the Soundtrack Library CD, at the beginning
of track 13; The Soldiers Return is found on L CD 22 and LP B-1)
Shimmering Effect
Final Battle, Part Two (L CD 23; LP A-3)
Sheba’s Promise to God
After the Battle
Solomon Carries Sheba/Purification/Finale (L CD 25; Purification only: LP B-8)
And for those looking for just the track titles for the UA LP, here’s what I’ve come up with (I still haven’t quite placed B6)…
SOLOMON AND SHEBA LP
SIDE A:
A1: Orgiastic Dance (small section)
A2: First Battle, Part One
A3: Final Battle, Part Two
A4: Final Battle, Part One
A5: Orgiastic Dance (another section)
A6: Main Title
A7: Solomon Talks with God
A8: Purification of Sheba
B1: The Soldiers Return
B2: Solomon and Sheba
B3: Mourning Abishag
B4: Sheban Camp
B5: Death of Abishag (alternate?)
B6: ? –This is either an alternate of some other cue, or something that went unused – perhaps
under a longer version of Solomon’s “…but joy cometh in the morning” speech at the end of
the film).
B7: A Day Together
B8: Blind To Love
So, as far as I can figure out, the order of the UA LP tracks should be: A6, A2, A7, B7, B4, B2, B8, A1, A5, B5, B3, A4, B1, A3, A8, B6.
This was a really difficult project. I really get the impression that the film was further edited after the scoring was completed, and that music cuts were necessary, and that some cues were shifted to other spots in the film. Any further insight, as well as any corrections, are most welcome.
I hope that this is at least a starting point for collectors hoping to sort out the contents of their LP and CDs for this rather overlooked score.
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Mar 24, 2014 - 2:50 PM
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roadshowfan
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I've been driving myself crazy for several days trying to match up the music from the LP and CDs to the movie, to find out what's what, what exactly the LP tracks are, what's on the LP that isn't on the CDs, and what music isn't represented on the LP or the CDs (and there's a lot!).
So far, I've found out that the music in the movie is kind of a mess, with many cues severely edited. The UA LP does indeed provide some music that is not on the Legend CDs. The Soundtrack Library CD is also a mess. The "Overture" and "Intermission" are just suites cobbled together out of cues from elsewhere in the score. Some cues are put where they don't belong, or are mislabeled. So, in the long run, that CD's longer length is mostly due to repeated cues.
There's a great piece that's almost completely dialed out in the film, when Solomon talks to God after the death of David. It IS on the LP, as well as the CDs, but it is incorrectly listed as "Death of David" on the Legend CDs.
The UA LP provides some music that is not on the Legend CDs.
Also, the earlier Legend CD that pairs the score with THE VIKINGS apparently has the original ending. It appears that in the final editing of the film, the decision was made to switch the End Title and End Cast music. I'll comment further on this in a future post, after I've finished my headache-inducing research. When I'm done, I should be able to provide a list of cues in the film, plus where they can (or cannot) be found on the LP and CDs.
There's probably a good twenty minutes of music in the film that is not available on the LP or CDs, which is really too bad; this is just a wonderful Nascimbene score.
Like many fellow message boarders, I wish Jim every success in getting to grips with the content of Solomon & Sheba's soundtrack incarnations! Regarding the Arnold contributions, mentioned elsewhere, he is listed three times on the ASCAP cue sheet and provided the following cues "Gifts", "Sheba's encampment" and "Candle scene", all of which add up to just short of 6 minutes.
Jim, if you'd like a scanned copy of the cue sheet to assist (or confuse even further), let me have your email and I'll gladly oblige.
Thanks for the very interesting info on Arnold's contributions to the score --
how about removing the 10 or so DPs?
Sorry about all those dupes - not sure what went wrong there! How do I get rid of 'em as there doesn't seem to be a delete option in the edit function?
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Mar 24, 2014 - 2:56 PM
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roadshowfan
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O.K., I might find further revelations as I continue working on this, but so far, here’s the lowdown:
After transferring the audio of the film, and all of the available LP and CD tracks into ProTools, I tried match up LP or CD counterparts to the music heard in the film itself. The results, so far, are these:
1.) The Soundtrack Library CD basically contains everything that’s on Legend CD 29, and adds some extra tracks (but not ALL tracks), that were on the UA LP but not on Legend CD 29. The “Overture” and “Intermission” cuts appear to be hack jobs done by Soundtrack Library. The “Overture” consists of already-available cues from the battle scenes and the orgiastic dance, laid out thusly: Battle Music/Orgiastic Dance/other Battle Music. The “Intermission” is similarly concocted of cues from: Orgiastic Dance/Battle Music/Finale. There is absolutely NO new music in these concocted pieces. However, there IS a short choral piece ("Revelation," when Solomon receives the idea to polish their shields), which is exclusive to this CD.
2.) Legend CD 9 (the one that couples this score with that of THE VIKINGS), although it is mono, contains a track found nowhere else, the version of “Death of Abishag” as it appears in the film, as opposed to the version heard on the other recordings, which appears to be an alternate version of this cue. Also, this CD offers a finale that is different from that in the film itself, as it reverses the End Title and End Cast music. The way the music in the film sort of fades up as Sheba descends the temple steps, and the way the End Cast music ends with a horrible fake reverb, seems to suggest that the order on Legend CD 9 was indeed the original intention, but somebody decided to flip-flop the two pieces in post-production.
In general, a few cues are much longer on the recordings than they are in the film (for instance, the mysterious, vocal-infused cue, “Solomon and Sheba”).
Here’s a list of titles I’ve assigned to all the cues in the film, plus, when available, where you can find them on Legend CD 29, and on the UA soundtrack LP. (I still have to cross-reference the cues found on the Soundtrack Library CD, but as I said, there’s nothing new to be found there, except for “Revelation”). As you will see, MUCH of the score has not been released.
Main Title (L CD 14; LP A-6)
First Battle, Part One (LP A-2)
First Battle, Part Two
Sheba Rides Off
Jerusalem (Chanting)
David on Deathbed (L CD 15)
Coronation of Solomon
Death of David
Solomon Talks with God (L CD 16; LP A-7)
Sheep at the River
The Temple is Finished
Solomon Speaks in Temple
The City of Sheba
Sheba’s Caravan 1
Sheba’s Caravan 2
Fanfare for Sheba’s Arrival
Street Music
Gifts from Sheba/Festival (M. Arnold)
Sheba and Abishag
Sheba’s Prayer to Rah-Gon
Sheba at Judgment
A Day Together/Sheban Camp (L CD 17; LP B-7/B-4)
Sheba’s Offering to Rah-Gon
Waiting for Solomon/Solomon and Abishag (M. Arnold)
Solomon Seeks Sheba
Blind to Truth/Solomon and Sheba (L CD 18; LP B-8/B-2)
Sheba and Baltor’s Plan
Religious Differences
Fanfare 1
Fanfare 2
Orgiastic Dance (L CD 20; two parts of it: LP A-1, LP A-5)
Death of Abishag (Film version: Legend CD 9, cut 15; possible alternate version: L CD 21; LP B-5)
Mourning Abishag (Although this cue starts the same way in the film and on the LP/CD, it changes
after the opening instrumental piece. It is either an alternate for this scene, or was written for
some other scene, but not used.) (L CD 24; LP B-3)
Sheba Secretly Sees Solomon
Solomon Ousted
Drums Before Battle
Leaving for Battle (chanting)
Final Battle, Part One (LP A-4)
Sheba’s Prayer
Revelation/The Soldiers Return (Revelation is found only on the Soundtrack Library CD, at the beginning
of track 13; The Soldiers Return is found on L CD 22 and LP B-1)
Shimmering Effect
Final Battle, Part Two (L CD 23; LP A-3)
Sheba’s Promise to God
After the Battle
Solomon Carries Sheba/Purification/Finale (L CD 25; Purification only: LP B-8)
And for those looking for just the track titles for the UA LP, here’s what I’ve come up with (I still haven’t quite placed B6)…
SOLOMON AND SHEBA LP
SIDE A:
A1: Orgiastic Dance (small section)
A2: First Battle, Part One
A3: Final Battle, Part Two
A4: Final Battle, Part One
A5: Orgiastic Dance (another section)
A6: Main Title
A7: Solomon Talks with God
A8: Purification of Sheba
B1: The Soldiers Return
B2: Solomon and Sheba
B3: Mourning Abishag
B4: Sheban Camp
B5: Death of Abishag (alternate?)
B6: ? –This is either an alternate of some other cue, or something that went unused – perhaps
under a longer version of Solomon’s “…but joy cometh in the morning” speech at the end of
the film).
B7: A Day Together
B8: Blind To Love
So, as far as I can figure out, the order of the UA LP tracks should be: A6, A2, A7, B7, B4, B2, B8, A1, A5, B5, B3, A4, B1, A3, A8, B6.
This was a really difficult project. I really get the impression that the film was further edited after the scoring was completed, and that music cuts were necessary, and that some cues were shifted to other spots in the film. Any further insight, as well as any corrections, are most welcome.
I hope that this is at least a starting point for collectors hoping to sort out the contents of their LP and CDs for this rather overlooked score.
You deserve some sort of medal, or at the very least a small gift from the Queen of Sheba herself, for that sterling work! I'll email you the cue sheet tomorrow...
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Mar 25, 2014 - 12:24 AM
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philiperic
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I've been driving myself crazy for several days trying to match up the music from the LP and CDs to the movie, to find out what's what, what exactly the LP tracks are, what's on the LP that isn't on the CDs, and what music isn't represented on the LP or the CDs (and there's a lot!).
So far, I've found out that the music in the movie is kind of a mess, with many cues severely edited. The UA LP does indeed provide some music that is not on the Legend CDs. The Soundtrack Library CD is also a mess. The "Overture" and "Intermission" are just suites cobbled together out of cues from elsewhere in the score. Some cues are put where they don't belong, or are mislabeled. So, in the long run, that CD's longer length is mostly due to repeated cues.
There's a great piece that's almost completely dialed out in the film, when Solomon talks to God after the death of David. It IS on the LP, as well as the CDs, but it is incorrectly listed as "Death of David" on the Legend CDs.
The UA LP provides some music that is not on the Legend CDs.
Also, the earlier Legend CD that pairs the score with THE VIKINGS apparently has the original ending. It appears that in the final editing of the film, the decision was made to switch the End Title and End Cast music. I'll comment further on this in a future post, after I've finished my headache-inducing research. When I'm done, I should be able to provide a list of cues in the film, plus where they can (or cannot) be found on the LP and CDs.
There's probably a good twenty minutes of music in the film that is not available on the LP or CDs, which is really too bad; this is just a wonderful Nascimbene score.
Like many fellow message boarders, I wish Jim every success in getting to grips with the content of Solomon & Sheba's soundtrack incarnations! Regarding the Arnold contributions, mentioned elsewhere, he is listed three times on the ASCAP cue sheet and provided the following cues "Gifts", "Sheba's encampment" and "Candle scene", all of which add up to just short of 6 minutes.
Jim, if you'd like a scanned copy of the cue sheet to assist (or confuse even further), let me have your email and I'll gladly oblige.
Thanks for the very interesting info on Arnold's contributions to the score --
how about removing the 10 or so DPs?
Sorry about all those dupes - not sure what went wrong there! How do I get rid of 'em as there doesn't seem to be a delete option in the edit function?
you have to manually edit each one - hit edit, then starting from the bottom - press backspace til all is gone , then press edit message -- DP can be added if desired.
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Mar 25, 2014 - 9:32 AM
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roadshowfan
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I've been driving myself crazy for several days trying to match up the music from the LP and CDs to the movie, to find out what's what, what exactly the LP tracks are, what's on the LP that isn't on the CDs, and what music isn't represented on the LP or the CDs (and there's a lot!).
So far, I've found out that the music in the movie is kind of a mess, with many cues severely edited. The UA LP does indeed provide some music that is not on the Legend CDs. The Soundtrack Library CD is also a mess. The "Overture" and "Intermission" are just suites cobbled together out of cues from elsewhere in the score. Some cues are put where they don't belong, or are mislabeled. So, in the long run, that CD's longer length is mostly due to repeated cues.
There's a great piece that's almost completely dialed out in the film, when Solomon talks to God after the death of David. It IS on the LP, as well as the CDs, but it is incorrectly listed as "Death of David" on the Legend CDs.
The UA LP provides some music that is not on the Legend CDs.
Also, the earlier Legend CD that pairs the score with THE VIKINGS apparently has the original ending. It appears that in the final editing of the film, the decision was made to switch the End Title and End Cast music. I'll comment further on this in a future post, after I've finished my headache-inducing research. When I'm done, I should be able to provide a list of cues in the film, plus where they can (or cannot) be found on the LP and CDs.
There's probably a good twenty minutes of music in the film that is not available on the LP or CDs, which is really too bad; this is just a wonderful Nascimbene score.
Like many fellow message boarders, I wish Jim every success in getting to grips with the content of Solomon & Sheba's soundtrack incarnations! Regarding the Arnold contributions, mentioned elsewhere, he is listed three times on the ASCAP cue sheet and provided the following cues "Gifts", "Sheba's encampment" and "Candle scene", all of which add up to just short of 6 minutes.
Jim, if you'd like a scanned copy of the cue sheet to assist (or confuse even further), let me have your email and I'll gladly oblige.
Thanks for the very interesting info on Arnold's contributions to the score --
how about removing the 10 or so DPs?
Sorry about all those dupes - not sure what went wrong there! How do I get rid of 'em as there doesn't seem to be a delete option in the edit function?
you have to manually edit each one - hit edit, then starting from the bottom - press backspace til all is gone , then press edit message -- DP can be added if desired.
Thanks - I think I've DP-ed them all now!
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Mar 25, 2014 - 2:39 PM
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philiperic
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I've been driving myself crazy for several days trying to match up the music from the LP and CDs to the movie, to find out what's what, what exactly the LP tracks are, what's on the LP that isn't on the CDs, and what music isn't represented on the LP or the CDs (and there's a lot!).
So far, I've found out that the music in the movie is kind of a mess, with many cues severely edited. The UA LP does indeed provide some music that is not on the Legend CDs. The Soundtrack Library CD is also a mess. The "Overture" and "Intermission" are just suites cobbled together out of cues from elsewhere in the score. Some cues are put where they don't belong, or are mislabeled. So, in the long run, that CD's longer length is mostly due to repeated cues.
There's a great piece that's almost completely dialed out in the film, when Solomon talks to God after the death of David. It IS on the LP, as well as the CDs, but it is incorrectly listed as "Death of David" on the Legend CDs.
The UA LP provides some music that is not on the Legend CDs.
Also, the earlier Legend CD that pairs the score with THE VIKINGS apparently has the original ending. It appears that in the final editing of the film, the decision was made to switch the End Title and End Cast music. I'll comment further on this in a future post, after I've finished my headache-inducing research. When I'm done, I should be able to provide a list of cues in the film, plus where they can (or cannot) be found on the LP and CDs.
There's probably a good twenty minutes of music in the film that is not available on the LP or CDs, which is really too bad; this is just a wonderful Nascimbene score.
Like many fellow message boarders, I wish Jim every success in getting to grips with the content of Solomon & Sheba's soundtrack incarnations! Regarding the Arnold contributions, mentioned elsewhere, he is listed three times on the ASCAP cue sheet and provided the following cues "Gifts", "Sheba's encampment" and "Candle scene", all of which add up to just short of 6 minutes.
Jim, if you'd like a scanned copy of the cue sheet to assist (or confuse even further), let me have your email and I'll gladly oblige.
Thanks for the very interesting info on Arnold's contributions to the score --
how about removing the 10 or so DPs?
Sorry about all those dupes - not sure what went wrong there! How do I get rid of 'em as there doesn't seem to be a delete option in the edit function?
you have to manually edit each one - hit edit, then starting from the bottom - press backspace til all is gone , then press edit message -- DP can be added if desired.
Thanks - I think I've DP-ed them all now!
well done , roadshowfan
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