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 Posted:   Jan 28, 2011 - 5:29 PM   
 By:   Chris Rimmer   (Member)

You've lost me William. but if James has recorded either The Vikings or Dr Zhivago, then I'm very happy and will be buying either or both of them.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2011 - 5:39 PM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

Probably a matter of opinion, Doug. But I was hoping you might comment on my last two sentences.

Paul - I didn't say I thought SINBAD was a good film - or better than SODOM. I was simply saying, on an objective level, that it has more recognition from the public at large than SODOM, which few people have even heard of. Personally I think THE GOLDEN VOYAGE OF SINBAD is one of the worst films which Harryhausen was ever involved in. Of the two scores, I certainly prefer SODOM but the OST of SINBAD is so bad that I think it's more in need of a rerecording.


I think that'd be a toss-up. The Sodom sound is bad enough to dissuade me from listening to it much of the time, which is a pity for such a great score. I have to admit that after listening to Sinbad once I was not drawn back to it (except for that one fight cue--something to do with Kali). It's exotic, but just not a score with much depth or resonance for me; if I never heard it again I'd not be much bothered. Maybe I just don't care for these lightweight "kiddie' scores, because I don't care for Thief of Baghdad either. Give me Rozsa in deep, ponderous mode, thanks; I can find others for the light stuff. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2011 - 5:47 PM   
 By:   paul rossen   (Member)

You've lost me William. but if James has recorded either The Vikings or Dr Zhivago, then I'm very happy and will be buying either or both of them.


Is Dr. Zhivago really in 'need' of a new recording? What's wrong with the original recording? Also, since it was made in 1965 I doubt it's the late 60's score that James' is hinting at...

Since we've learned that Bernstein's Hallelujah Trail is lost that's the score I would want in its complete form as the lp program is woefully short.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2011 - 6:40 PM   
 By:   jonathan_little   (Member)

Before we slag off the Digitmovies people however, it's worth remembering that remastering is an art, and at the time that was released, there was a universal consensus among the 'buffs' (including here!) that reverb was Satanic, and dry sound was sacred. I never agreed with that. FSM allow a slight gloss on their recordings, and that's why they're so great. The same people who said, 'I hate reverb' were the very people who said 'FSM is brilliant'.

The 2CD Sodom and Gomorrah sounds horrible because it is EQ'd so poorly, not because it's a dry recording. It's literally painful for me to listen to most of it. I briefly tried to fix it, but it seemed like every track was mangled in a different way. I quickly ran out of patience with it.

 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2011 - 7:10 PM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

The 2CD Sodom and Gomorrah sounds horrible because it is EQ'd so poorly, not because it's a dry recording. It's literally painful for me to listen to most of it. I briefly tried to fix it, but it seemed like every track was mangled in a different way. I quickly ran out of patience with it.



Ah yes, but it was never a dry recording anyway. It was very lush and had a hint of echo originally. By sampling too loud, the equalisation was never going to be anything but grim. All I'm saying is that a slight echo will make the scratchy clip-offs less noticeable, but it's still sub-par. It's almost as if they were trying to recapture the grim old sound of the Nascimbene albums, which again all need re-doing.

It's a shame that they muffed it. I recall somewhere noticing that the 'Queen's Bath' cue is slightly different in one bar than the version in the 2LP and the boot. That set me to wondering if other tapes exist. They did pick up the extra choruses at the end of disc 2. Somebody must have mixed the complete OST for the DVD.

Anyhow, it's out for a duck this time. With all this stuff re the Rozsa estate, it'll be at the tail end of the innings for future matches. But great score though it was, it's not a money-spinner I'm sure.

 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2011 - 7:13 PM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

Is Dr. Zhivago really in 'need' of a new recording? What's wrong with the original recording? Also, since it was made in 1965 I doubt it's the late 60's score that James' is hinting at...



No, but it's a contender for the 'epic' one. But I don't think they can both be Jarre ... or can they?

Unless it really IS 'The THIRD MAN' ...

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2011 - 10:52 PM   
 By:   John Black   (Member)

Could the late sixties score be Jarre's RYAN'S DAUGHTER?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 29, 2011 - 3:49 AM   
 By:   JamesFitz   (Member)

Could the late sixties score be Jarre's RYAN'S DAUGHTER?

Would love to record Ryan's Daughter ... as of all the Lean / Jarre collaborations this is actually the best scored in relation to music fitting to picture whereas LAWENCE is only a partly score movie, ZHIVAGO (due to lack of time) relied on too much repetition of Lara's Theme ...and PASSAGE certainly needed more music in heighten the drama second half of the film.

But no manuscript scores or even Maurice's original sketches exist ... probably all went up in smoke at MGM fire... so whole score would have to be reconstructed "by ear", not an easy task, especially trying to sort out all the weird instruments used on "Michael's Theme" !!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 29, 2011 - 4:47 AM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)


James Fitz - I always thought it odd that the theme is called Laras theme, wheras thefirst time it is heard in the film, is not in associatin with LLara, but its a reminiscence of what Zhivagos mother played on her balalaika.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 29, 2011 - 4:56 AM   
 By:   Doug Raynes   (Member)


Would love to record Ryan's Daughter ... ...............But no manuscript scores or even Maurice's original sketches exist ... probably all went up in smoke at MGM fire... so whole score would have to be reconstructed "by ear", not an easy task, especially trying to sort out all the weird instruments used on "Michael's Theme" !!


What a shame. That's a double whammy because Lukas Kendall said some time ago that the original soundtrack tapes haven't survived either - only the LP album master exists.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 29, 2011 - 5:16 AM   
 By:   JamesFitz   (Member)

James Fitz - I always thought it odd that the theme is called Laras theme, wheras thefirst time it is heard in the film, is not in associatin with LLara, but its a reminiscence of what Zhivagos mother played on her balalaika.

Well originally Lean and Jarre were going to use and adapt a piece of "traditional" Russian folk music in the film ...until the MGM music department found that it was not trad and was still in copyright and was not "clearable" at the time. That accounts for the reason Zhivago is lacking in themes and relies too much on repeats of Lara. But, maybe just aswell as the film didn't open to great reviews but the radio plays of "Somewhere My Love" helped boost its takings at the box office making it a international success? (or so Maurice told me)

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 29, 2011 - 5:18 AM   
 By:   JamesFitz   (Member)


Would love to record Ryan's Daughter ... ...............But no manuscript scores or even Maurice's original sketches exist ... probably all went up in smoke at MGM fire... so whole score would have to be reconstructed "by ear", not an easy task, especially trying to sort out all the weird instruments used on "Michael's Theme" !!


What a shame. That's a double whammy because Lukas Kendall said some time ago that the original soundtrack tapes haven't survived either - only the LP album master exists.


That's the trouble with so much recorded by Eric Tomlinson at studios like Anvil Denham, Olympic etc... ... they just did not hold onto safety copies of the tapes, presuming that the Film producton company would look after the original tapes... which of course many times they did not ,especially if the score was recorded in London but the production company was in LA !

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 3, 2011 - 9:12 AM   
 By:   JamesFitz   (Member)


PS
Tadlow has a swanky new website ... let me know if anything doesn't work???


James - The new website is a vast improvement on the old one. Very elegant and user friendly.


Just did a mock-up sleeve for TARAS ...

http://www.tadlowmusic.com/2010/12/next-project-taras-bulba/

bearing in mind that there is a 99.9% chance of not being allowed to use original film artwork on the front or back cover! I rather like it as it looks vey classy and this has always been a favourite painting of mind ... so much so that I have a framed copy ay home ....but what do you think?????

PS I see there is no new button for self-abuse !!!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 3, 2011 - 9:18 AM   
 By:   Jon Lewis   (Member)

Thumbs up from me! I've seen that painting before and loved it.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 3, 2011 - 9:23 AM   
 By:   Mr. DeMille   (Member)

Looks great to me!

Of course, I'd love it even more if it were on the front of the jewel case I was about to open to put the next CD in the player. razz

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 3, 2011 - 9:24 AM   
 By:   JamesFitz   (Member)

Looks great to me!

Of course, I'd love it even more if it were on the front of the jewel case I was about to open to put the next CD in the player. razz


patience !!!

 
 Posted:   Feb 3, 2011 - 9:31 AM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

Looks great smile

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 3, 2011 - 9:34 AM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

I wish more record companies had the courage to choose fine artwork commensurate with the enduring value of the music. Such choices help send the message that people are seeking out great film music not as mere souvenir collectors or connoisseurs of camp, but as music lovers no different from those who buy albums of Bach or Bartok.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 3, 2011 - 9:37 AM   
 By:   paul rossen   (Member)

Great Cover!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 3, 2011 - 9:44 AM   
 By:   Doug Raynes   (Member)

I wish more record companies had the courage to choose fine artwork commensurate with the enduring value of the music. Such choices help send the message that people are seeking out great film music not as mere souvenir collectors or connoisseurs of camp, but as music lovers no different from those who buy albums of Bach or Bartok.

Agreed! That detail from the painting by Ilya Repin makes a splendid cover.

 
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