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 Posted:   Feb 15, 2013 - 9:19 AM   
 By:   morrifan   (Member)

This + the just announced Morricone ("...Stalin") = 2 thumbs up for Beat Records

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2013 - 1:10 PM   
 By:   bewlay   (Member)

....2013 monographic series will be dedicated to a great Maestro, unfortunately no more among us, Piero Piccioni. This series avails of choices made with great attention with the aim to compile a chronological selection that lasts more than two decades.

This is the best news I've heard so far this year. Now I'm pretty certain some of the scores on my wish list will be finally released!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2013 - 2:34 PM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

This is fantastic news Stefan
Wonder what gems and how many titles we will have before the end of the year.


Sugar/CAM has just about 30 Piccioni titles which have never been released on LP or CD in former times in a more or less complete form. Some of them had been issued as a Single or EP or in the form of a short suite, but not more. So there is a wide choice. Some titles which I suppose will certainly come till the end of the year from the CAM catalogue are L'ATTICO, IL DEMONIO, IO LA CONOSCEVO BENE, NIENTE ROSE PER OSS 17 and LE ALTRE. Maybe also I DOLCI INGANNI, LA NOTTE BRAVA, GIOVINEZZA GIOVINEZZA or PER QUESTA NOTTE. And of course I particularly hope for CRISTO SI E' FERMATO A EBOLI. However, TRE FRATELLI - which would be its lovely companion score - is not owned by Sugar/CAM, but by another music publisher. Nevertheless, it would be great if both could be coupled on one CD.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2013 - 2:46 PM   
 By:   slint   (Member)

This is fantastic news Stefan
Wonder what gems and how many titles we will have before the end of the year.


Sugar/CAM has just about 30 Piccioni titles which have never been released on LP or CD in former times in a more or less complete form. Some of them had been issued as a Single or EP or in the form of a short suite, but not more. So there is quite a selection. Some titles which I suppose will certainly come till the end of the year from the CAM catalogue are L'ATTICO, IL DEMONIO, IO LA CONOSCEVO BENE, NIENTE ROSE PER OSS 17 and LE ALTRE. Maybe also I DOLCI INGANNI, LA NOTTE BRAVA, GIOVINEZZA GIOVINEZZA or PER QUESTA NOTTE. And of course I particularly hope for CRISTO SI E' FERMATO A EBOLI. However, TRE FRATELLI - which would be its lovely companion score - is not owned by Sugar/CAM, but by another music publisher. Nevertheless, it would be great if both could be coupled on one CD.


They could also release expanded editions like they did for de Masi for many CAM, Avanz or Easy Tempo CDs, but I prefer to hear things never released before. I really hope for "Le Coppie" and "Lo Scopone scientifico" + as you mentionned IO LA CONOSCEVO BENE, NIENTE ROSE PER OSS 17 and LE ALTRE. If they are to expand something, I would take ...Dopo di Che, Uccide Il Maschio e lo Divora; Due Maschi per Alexa and Lucky Luciano.

I think it will take more than 1 year!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2013 - 2:55 PM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

I really hope for "Le Coppie" and "Lo Scopone scientifico" + as you mentionned IO LA CONOSCEVO BENE, NIENTE ROSE PER OSS 17 and LE ALTRE. If they are to expand something, I would take ...Dopo di Che, Uccide Il Maschio e lo Divora; Due Maschi per Alexa and Lucky Luciano.


As Beat Records at the moment mostly releases scores from the CAM catalogue - you just have to look at almost all their releases this month or last month - I think that we will see this year a lot of scores from there and not only from the other music publishers.
Unfortunately, LO SCOPONE SCIENTIFICO which I myself like very much is a big problem because it is owned by Radiofilmusica (De Laurentiis). And since the death of Maurizio Buttazzoni from Intermezzo unfortunately nothing has come from the Laurentiis vaults anymore. LE COPPIE is an RCA score so that I suppose it may rather be released by GDM/Legend or even by Digitmovies.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2013 - 3:39 PM   
 By:   bewlay   (Member)

Sugar/CAM has just about 30 Piccioni titles which have never been released on LP or CD in former times in a more or less complete form. Some of them had been issued as a Single or EP or in the form of a short suite, but not more. So there is a wide choice. Some titles which I suppose will certainly come till the end of the year from the CAM catalogue are L'ATTICO, IL DEMONIO, IO LA CONOSCEVO BENE, NIENTE ROSE PER OSS 17 and LE ALTRE. Maybe also I DOLCI INGANNI, LA NOTTE BRAVA, GIOVINEZZA GIOVINEZZA or PER QUESTA NOTTE. And of course I particularly hope for CRISTO SI E' FERMATO A EBOLI. However, TRE FRATELLI - which would be its lovely companion score - is not owned by Sugar/CAM, but by another music publisher. Nevertheless, it would be great if both could be coupled on one CD.

Le Altre, Cristo Si E' Fermato A Eboli & Tre Fratelli would be my top 3 releases.

Still hard to believe that there are still another 30 scores of his that haven't yet been released.
Beat will have to double up more or less on their Piccioni releases each month this year if they intend to release them all. Or perhaps some of these releases will come from Digitmovies or GDM?

 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2013 - 3:48 PM   
 By:   wayoutwest   (Member)

Great list Stefan I would love to see any of those titles released guess it might depend on how well they sell after they go ahead with the initial titles they have planed out for the year. Before they decide if they plan to continue releasing a number of other scores by Piccioni I also would like to see the un released ones first.

If it turned out that there was quite a bit more music to any of the CAM cds I'd very much like to see them at some point too especially
La Fuga
La Vita Agra
Senilta
Un Tentativo Sentimentale

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2013 - 4:01 AM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

LPs not yet released on CD:
1964 Tre per una rapina
1964 La Corde au Cou


Two wrong infos!
LA CORDE AU COU was only available as an EP on the French Barclay label, nothing more.
And there was never ever an LP of the Barbara Steele movie TRE PER UNA RAPINA. This is nothing else than a mistake on the Soundtrack Collector website. The label number there refers to the first CAM LP edition of Piccioni's IL MOMENTO DELLA VERITA'. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2013 - 5:47 AM   
 By:   slint   (Member)

LPs not yet released on CD:
1964 Tre per una rapina
1964 La Corde au Cou


Two wrong infos!
LA CORDE AU COU was only available as an EP on the French Barclay label, nothing more.
And there was never ever an LP of the Barbara Steele movie TRE PER UNA RAPINA. This is nothing else than a mistake on the Soundtrack Collector website. The label number there refers to the first CAM LP edition of Piccioni's IL MOMENTO DELLA VERITA'. smile


I don't have any of those LPs, unfortunately, so my list is from web sources and private information. It is good to know that someone else is knowledgeable about italian composers. I myself do not really know about licenses and owners other than the extrapolation I can make from previous releases.

Since he is one of, if not my favorite, I am certainly happy that most master or first generation tapes of Piccioni exist. So far about 90% of his works from 1960-1980 have 1 or more track released. And most missing soundtracks seem to have a mastertape available somewhere. So he seems to be 2nd only to Morricone in terms of completeness. Then Luis Bacalov and Bruno Nicolai comes close, although Nicolai still has about 20 unreleased soundtracks and we got very few new soundtracks of him since 2010, so I wonder if what is left is lost. Finally, Trovaioli, who I think is fairly popular, did not get any new releases in years. He still has many unreleased soundtracks even if the mid 60s are well represented. I wonder why nothing more is released, even if he has fewer soundtracks in the western/giallo genre.

Others of my favorite composers, Cipriani (mostly if not all CAM?), de Masi, Savina, Lavagnino and Rustichelli did get a lot new releases in the last few years, so I hope it will continue. I am surprised that Beat did not release some of the completely unreleased Spy and Western soundtracks by de Masi, so I guess they may be lost, since they are not CAM soundtracks (although he still has a few unreleased CAM LPs). One that is still under-represented is Piero Umiliani, who I think is popular, yet only a small fraction of his works has been released.

 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2013 - 7:09 AM   
 By:   wayoutwest   (Member)

You have great taste Slint much the same as mine by the sounds of things I often think about Trovajoli just this morning I listened to great cd from GDM Il Magnifico Cornuto / La Smia Signora / Le Fate
There has been a few recent cds by him but maybe you are looking at it in much the same way as myself pre 80s America Paese Di Dio was a fantastic release.

Few years back I only owned a few scores by Carlo Savina but since then I’ve had an amazing discovery of so many of these great scores that have been released by him.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2013 - 9:15 AM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

Then Luis Bacalov and Bruno Nicolai comes close, although Nicolai still has about 20 unreleased soundtracks and we got very few new soundtracks of him since 2010, so I wonder if what is left is lost. Finally, Trovaioli, who I think is fairly popular, did not get any new releases in years. He still has many unreleased soundtracks even if the mid 60s are well represented. I wonder why nothing more is released, even if he has fewer soundtracks in the western/giallo genre.

Others of my favorite composers, Cipriani (mostly if not all CAM?), de Masi, Savina, Lavagnino and Rustichelli did get a lot new releases in the last few years, so I hope it will continue. I am surprised that Beat did not release some of the completely unreleased Spy and Western soundtracks by de Masi, so I guess they may be lost, since they are not CAM soundtracks (although he still has a few unreleased CAM LPs). One that is still under-represented is Piero Umiliani, who I think is popular, yet only a small fraction of his works has been released.


There are still a lot of Bacalov drama scores from the mid-70s onwards for the cinema and TV either at RCA (now handled by Universal Music Publishing) or at CAM, but they do not belong to the typical popular fan genres. Therefore there is probably much more reluctance to release them on CD because they would sell rather poorly as the films are very unknown. Just some examples: INGANNI, BURRO, IL LUNGO VIAGGIO, IMPROVVISO, UNA STORIA SEMPLICE, UN ANNO DI SCUOLA etc. Who in foreign countries outside of Italy may know these movies or has ever heard of them? Even his wonderful music for LA MASCHERA from 1988 has only been available on a General Music LP till now, but not on CD.
Then you have to consider that some composers are very well represented in the CAM catalogue (e.g. Cipriani, Rustichelli, Savina, Trovajoli), others less so (e.g. Nicolai with only 11 entries of which only one - IL CAPPOTTO DI ASTRAKAN - has not yet been released on CD). The fact also is that many of the old Nazionalmusic titles are lost forever or have long ago been destroyed. Just some of the De Masi scores you mention are from Nazionalmusic and can therefore probably not be done. On the other hand, there are still some De Masi's at CAM, also from the spy genre and not all of them formerly available on CAM LPs: LA MORTE VIENE DA MANILA, F.B.I. OPERAZIONE PAKISTAN, F.B.I. OPERAZIONE VIPERA GIALLA. Also of course SINFONIA PER DUE SPIE which was available in the mid-60s on a rare CAM LP album.
There are still a lot of Trovajoli scores at CAM, but many of them comedies from the late 50s or the 60s or also some Peplums. I suppose that now as the CAM doors are fully open there will still come a few Trovajoli titles from the CAM catalogue in the near future. Lets just wait and see.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2013 - 4:19 AM   
 By:   Ken G   (Member)

Way back on page 2 of this thread ToneRow recommended:



A 1974 police thriller:



Ordered it today, ToneRow. Looking forward to its arrival...

 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2013 - 5:53 AM   
 By:   ToneRow   (Member)

Hi, KenG. You should like it.

On a scale of 1 to 8, I'd rank FATEVI VIVI with a 6. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2013 - 7:29 AM   
 By:   morrifan   (Member)

Hi, KenG. You should like it.

On a scale of 1 to 8, I'd rank FATEVI VIVI with a 6. smile


7,5 for me

 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2013 - 11:11 AM   
 By:   wayoutwest   (Member)

Think my rating might be around the same as Tone's a very urban filled score unrelenting and with a kind of cool under groove.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 9, 2013 - 8:55 AM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

Some titles which I suppose will certainly come till the end of the year from the CAM catalogue are L'ATTICO...

The "mystery cover" for L'ATTICO is already on the Beat Records Facebook website so that this CD will indeed be the next one in the Piccioni series for this month:
https://www.facebook.com/BeatRecordsCompany

Wonderful news and I am happy that this very enjoyable score will now be released in just a few weeks.

 
 Posted:   Mar 9, 2013 - 11:30 AM   
 By:   wayoutwest   (Member)

Great news Stefan
Looking forward to hearing that one myself

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2013 - 3:43 AM   
 By:   bewlay   (Member)

Some titles which I suppose will certainly come till the end of the year from the CAM catalogue are L'ATTICO...

The "mystery cover" for L'ATTICO is already on the Beat Records Facebook website so that this CD will indeed be the next one in the Piccioni series for this month:
https://www.facebook.com/BeatRecordsCompany

Wonderful news and I am happy that this very enjoyable score will now be released in just a few weeks.


Looking forward to hearing this..!

I wonder how many scores Beat is planning to release this year as part of their Piccioni series. Anyone have an idea? Will it be most likely be a one release per month thing?

 
 Posted:   Mar 10, 2013 - 4:16 AM   
 By:   ToneRow   (Member)

I wonder how many scores Beat is planning to release this year as part of their Piccioni series. Anyone have an idea? Will it be most likely be a one release per month thing?

Hi, bewlay

I seem to recall reading that there may be up to 30 titles by Piccioni in the pipelines of Italian labels. Not sure how many will surface on Beat, but I think there's a goal to release a lot of Piccioni music during 2013.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2013 - 2:02 AM   
 By:   Ken G   (Member)

Found a used copy of this one today:



Enjoying the jazzy/loungey vibe so far. Keen to see the movie!

 
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