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 Posted:   Dec 14, 2012 - 4:08 PM   
 By:   moovtune714   (Member)

I was wondering if people would be able to provide some insight into which of the 3 original recording releases (Milan, Varèse, and Intrada) actually sounds the closest to what someone in the presence of the recording would have heard. I am not qualified to make such an answer, but I assume some on this board would be. Perhaps it is unimportant, but if one release is closer to reality than its counterparts, then I think that is a point that should be mentioned in this thread.

I can do that as I was not working the day Doug and Roger came to Universal to transfer the tapes so I sat in with them much of the two days. What is on the new Intrada release is what the original recordings sounded like.
As far as the multi tracks go, there weren't all that many split out tracks, but several sections were recorded separately and had to be combined and synced up to render a final mix. I think they did a great job of assembling everything together and left the sound essentially as it was. The previous release may sound "warmer" and "richer/fuller" but that was the result of EQ during the mixing and the mastering of the album version.
I really enjoy the Tadlow rerecording as well, as I think Doug does too because he's praised it on the Intrada site. But the Intrada version is as close to the original recording studio sound as you can get, mistakes and out of tune playing and all - like it or not.

 
 Posted:   Dec 14, 2012 - 5:49 PM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

The previous release may sound "warmer" and "richer/fuller" but that was the result of EQ during the mixing and the mastering of the album version.

As the original album was produced by Poledouris himself, I assume he had a direct say in the tonal quality of that presentation.

 
 Posted:   Dec 14, 2012 - 6:13 PM   
 By:   Ed   (Member)

The previous release may sound "warmer" and "richer/fuller" but that was the result of EQ during the mixing and the mastering of the album version.

As the original album was produced by Poledouris himself, I assume he had a direct say in the tonal quality of that presentation.


He did, to be sure, but he was working with much less advanced equipment than is available today.

 
 Posted:   Dec 14, 2012 - 7:04 PM   
 By:   Warunsun   (Member)

I really enjoy the Tadlow rerecording as well, as I think Doug does too because he's praised it on the Intrada site.

The Tadlow/Prometheus rerecording is even recommended in the CD booklet for the new Intrada release. I think nearly everyone likes it. It certainly help sell the new Intrada release by bringing that music back into listening and Internet discussions. I think the new Intrada release will also pique interested in the Conan the Destroyer rerecording as well. I think it is a healthy relationship. I would guess that is will be a while before the Intrada Destroyer set comes out so the Destroyer rerecording is the best compliment album to the Intrada Barbarian release at the moment.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 14, 2012 - 11:03 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

The Destroyer album also has the Sword & Sorcery show music, which I doubt Intrada will include (and IIRC was in mono on its CD release anyway....)

 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2012 - 3:49 AM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

The SuperTracks issue of Sword and Sorcery Spectacular is a bit hissy, but it is in stereo.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2012 - 4:54 AM   
 By:   ghost of 82   (Member)

My copy arrived yesterday. What with La La's ST:TMP and original series box, and this Conan set, it really is the ultimate Grail period for me.

Haven't heard all the score yet (first twenty minutes of disc one) but having listened to the extras I have to say, for fans of the score this release is essential if only for those alternates. The alternate versions of Orphans of Doom in particular are spine-tingling.

I have read many comments about sound quality. Well of course it cannot compete with the Tadlow re-recording, there were problems with the original in any case and technologies have moved on. But the Intrada, warts and all, is the actual original score. Its a no-brainer. Its a Grail!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2012 - 9:20 AM   
 By:   mstanwick856   (Member)

My copy arrived yesterday. What with La La's ST:TMP and original series box, and this Conan set, it really is the ultimate Grail period for me.

Haven't heard all the score yet (first twenty minutes of disc one) but having listened to the extras I have to say, for fans of the score this release is essential if only for those alternates. The alternate versions of Orphans of Doom in particular are spine-tingling.

I have read many comments about sound quality. Well of course it cannot compete with the Tadlow re-recording, there were problems with the original in any case and technologies have moved on. But the Intrada, warts and all, is the actual original score. Its a no-brainer. Its a Grail!


Definitely a grail. I received mine on the weekend but haven't listened to it yet due to the arrival of my copy of The Hobbit. I have pretty much digested what to me is an amazing score, so now I can concentrate on rhis release!

 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2012 - 10:47 AM   
 By:   David (Giacchino-fan)   (Member)

Listening now, for the very first time to any version of the Conan score... it's glorious!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2012 - 11:39 AM   
 By:   ghost of 82   (Member)

I can only imagine what it must be like hearing Conan for the first time. I've loved it since 1982.

Boy, its gonna knock your socks off!

In all the years since, no score has yet matched it for imagination, power, emotion, boldness., melodies, character. You'll be playing it over and over again. I guarantee it.

 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2012 - 11:44 AM   
 By:   Matt B   (Member)

Listening now, for the very first time to any version of the Conan score... it's glorious!

Wow... enjoy! It's my favorite score of all time, and I must have listened to it hundreds of times by now.

 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2012 - 12:29 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

Here's my selection of tracks for a perfect 79.5 minute CD. There are a number of tracks over the 2 discs that can be considered "source cues" and a couple of redundant cues so I've cut the 108 minute score down to 79.

1) Prologue/Anvil of Crom
2) Riddle of Steel/Riders of Doom
3) Gift of Fury
4) Column of Sadness/Wheel of Pain
5) Pit Fights
6) Atlantean Sword (This is track 5 from disc 3. Sounds better than disc 1 version)
7) Theology/Civilization
8) The Snake/Infidels
9) Wifeing
10) The Leaving/The Search
11) Mountain of Power Procession
12) Capture
13) Tree of Woe/Recovery
14) Warpaint
15) The Kitchen/The Orgy
16) Funeral Pyre
17) Battle of the Mounds Part 1
18) Battle of the Mounds Part 2
19) Battle of the Mounds Part 3/Night Doom
20) Head Chop
21) Orphans of Doom/The Awakening
.


Great job Adam!!!!!
I have further refined your fine work into an 'album' version:

1) Prologue/Anvil of Crom
2) Riddle of Steel/Riders of Doom
3) Gift of Fury
4) Column of Sadness/Wheel of Pain
7) Theology/Civilization

17) Battle of the Mounds Part 1
16) Funeral Pyre
18) Battle of the Mounds Part 2
21) Orphans of Doom/The Awakening
15) The Kitchen/The Orgy

total time : app 44 minutes


this sequence really makes the score into a tone poem/ oratorio/ choral symphony!
bruce

 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2012 - 1:33 PM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

Listening now, for the very first time to any version of the Conan score...

It won't be the last.

 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2012 - 9:57 PM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

The way that “The Kitchen” plays out on the Intrada edition is clearly what was recorded, and was then subsequently edited for the film. You can hear the edits on the Varèse disc.

Josh, I prefer the clean opening of this on the original Varese albums and even the Tadlow recording also emulates that. Just love the opening ostinato figure and the rising and descending melodic line in it[ Before the chorus starts] The percussion overlay from the previous track creeps into it -but I guess thats how it appears in the film. Great set and wonderful remastering job by the folks at Intrada. Well done!

 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2012 - 10:34 PM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

The way that “The Kitchen” plays out on the Intrada edition is clearly what was recorded, and was then subsequently edited for the film. You can hear the edits on the Varèse disc.

Josh, I prefer the clean opening of this on the original Varese albums and even the Tadlow recording also emulates that. Just love the opening ostinato figure and the rising and descending melodic line in it[ Before the chorus starts] The percussion overlay from the previous track creeps into it -but I guess thats how it appears in the film. Great set and wonderful remastering job by the folks at Intrada. Well done!




It wouldn't be so bad if the percussion introduction to it was at a realistic level. It's way too loud, the same as in the opening prologue.
Compare the Intrada prologue intro percussion to the album version with narration (or the well-scaled opening of the Tadlow) and the ludicrously exaggerated volume in the Intrada (Disc 1) is obvious. Probably as much as 10dB too high, making the following orchestral entry sound weak in comparison. Very poor.

 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2012 - 3:30 AM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

Josh, I prefer the clean opening of this on the original Varese albums and even the Tadlow recording also emulates that. Just love the opening ostinato figure and the rising and descending melodic line in it[ Before the chorus starts] The percussion overlay from the previous track creeps into it -but I guess thats how it appears in the film.

I was referring to the fact that two musical phrases are switched in the film and on the Varèse disc as opposed to what appears on the Intrada. As I mentioned on the Intrada board, I could have done without the crossfade from “Warpaint,” but to hear “The Kitchen” without the edits made a bit more musical sense.

 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2012 - 11:03 AM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

Geez, I've had this disc for like weeks and still haven't opened it yet! Damn, I'm too busy!!!

 
 Posted:   Dec 18, 2012 - 3:52 PM   
 By:   David (Giacchino-fan)   (Member)

Wow. THAT was simply fantastic. One of my all-time favorites, but I'm not surprised... I love much of Poledouris' work. Thank you Intrada!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 19, 2012 - 2:37 PM   
 By:   mstanwick856   (Member)

Wow. THAT was simply fantastic. One of my all-time favorites, but I'm not surprised... I love much of Poledouris' work. Thank you Intrada!

I second that! Just finished listening to the three discs. Quite amazing. It will sit proudly right next to my superb Tadlow rerecording and that of their Destroyer.

 
 Posted:   Feb 15, 2013 - 11:35 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Xmas held me up from working on my own playlist, much less give it a good listen. Were "The Defilers" and "Conan The King-End Title" post production edits? I thought the labels didn't like to include post production audio edits on their releases because "it's not what the composer wrote"?

Not complaining because I wish all the releases included post production edits as they do "alts" and "source music" sometimes. Got a playlist running a little over an hour and fifty minutes. I combined all but one alt cue into a single track. Anyway, lovely score and a huge grail realized. smile

Edit: Also why did "War Paint" cross-fade into "The Kitchen/The Orgy when they are presented as two separate cues?

 
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