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 Posted:   Dec 11, 2013 - 4:25 PM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

With all due respect to Mr. Moross, why would ANYONE spend a MINIMUM of $50k on a re-recording to a score like War Lord?
MV





No problem. When a third-party client advance-books a five-day orchestral recording session, get it done in three days and use the time that's left over and has already been paid for to record The War Lord for "free".

 
 Posted:   Dec 11, 2013 - 4:40 PM   
 By:   Peter Greenhill   (Member)

I have the War Lord CD and enjoyi it but not enough to pay for a 2 CD rerecording.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 11, 2013 - 4:48 PM   
 By:   joec   (Member)

Well, John has already shown he's crazy by dumping tens of thousands of dollars into these that he never recoups...it just matters whether Luc is as crazy. I mean, The Alamo sold poorly and I'm sure that was one of their MOST expensive to record...

And we already know that James *wants* to do it -- he's said so, as I quoted.

So why don't you like The War Lord? I think it's excellent...

Yavar


How do you know THE ALAMO sold "poorly"?

It is one of my favorite re-recordings, along with QUO VADIS.

 
 Posted:   Dec 11, 2013 - 4:50 PM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

I have the War Lord CD and enjoyi it but not enough to pay for a 2 CD rerecording.

I don't like the sound of the old Varese CD at all. The old LP was one of the worst-sounding I ever had. I prefer the short re-recorded suite on the Silva Moross 2CD set, but that's woefully inadequate for such a fine score.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 11, 2013 - 5:02 PM   
 By:   captain_avis   (Member)

I agree that the War Lord seems implausible from an economic standpoint, but I'd be happy to pick up a copy should anyone do a re-recording.

Chris

 
 Posted:   Dec 11, 2013 - 5:48 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)


How do you know THE ALAMO sold "poorly"?

It is one of my favorite re-recordings, along with QUO VADIS.


Yes, it's excellent, and that comes from someone who doesn't usually love Tiomkin. It was James who said it was a slower seller sometime back. I suppose I can find the quote if it's really important to you.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Dec 11, 2013 - 6:36 PM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

I would definitely buy two CDs of The Warlord. I know the movie was cut down from 2 hours from 3 and I'd love to know of Moross (or Salter) scored the longer version. I'll take MV's analysis of the market, although the counterargument is there are a bunch of James' rerecordings that I have had no interest in buying (for the record, the ones I've bought in the last few years have been True Grit, The Private Life of Sherlock Holmes, Conan the Barbarian and The Salamander)--but I would buy a complete recording of The War Lord in a second. But maybe I'm the exception that proves the rule...

 
 Posted:   Dec 11, 2013 - 6:36 PM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

All that redundancy being said, I'm pretty sure the next rerecording is NOT The War Lord...

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 11, 2013 - 6:39 PM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)


At least The War Lord is an epic, which I thought was as popular a genre as westerns.


War Lord isn't really an epic. It was conceived as a stage play ("The Lovers"), and was intended to be an intimate little drama. However, it suddenly occured to the studio that they had Heston in period costume, so they started pouring in money and inserting superfluous battle scenes. Result: a film that fell between two stools, and is now mostly forgotten.

I think it was a fine score, but I wouldn't support a re-recording.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2013 - 12:44 AM   
 By:   Loverozsa   (Member)

What about Rozsas's The Thief Of Baghdad?

 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2013 - 12:55 AM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

What about Rozsas's The Thief Of Baghdad?




That would be nice, But for me, Jungle Book would be even nicer.

 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2013 - 5:21 AM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)


Luc is a smart guy when it comes to business. He understands the market and invests his money wisely.



I see someone sending out market research sniffers here ....

It won't be 'The War Lord' because it's 95 minutes. Plus, the music that Salter used for the battle scenes, fine composer though he was, would totally overwhelm the Moross score, without the distractions and SFX, and it'd take some very delicate editing and programming on the disc to avoid this.



As wonderful as The War Lord might be, its not the kind of title many people go "WOW, I have to buy that NOW!" over.

Well, that's not been my experience. There are few title sequences that I've noticed people, not afficionados, but just general listeners, will prick up and say, 'Oh, what is that? It's absolutely beautiful...' but The War Lord is one of them. I know no-one who dislikes or is even lukewarm about the main theme and its immediacy. Hell, the Shadows even released a successful electric guitar version. Gold's 'Exodus' main theme has the same immediate effect on many, many people.



Look at The Jayhawkers by Intrada -- I highly doubt that sold more than 1500 copies...and it's a classic WESTERN (i.e. Has a broader appeal)!

I adore Moross' western scores, but that's a strange perspective, no offence. D'you know that in Europe, WL is very highly regarded among critics? That's probably because it's European history: the film is, against probability given it was entirely shot in California, highly authentic. (Every little UK schoolboy knows 1066 and Hastings ...) In Europe this would have the same appeal as a western, were the film better known. And it IS an intelligent screenplay (or was before it was buggered up in the editing), with quite deep psychological insight and underpinnings.

And of course, Moross' composition is sublime. Surely you have the Varese album?


 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2013 - 7:15 AM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

What about Rozsas's The Thief Of Baghdad?

That would be nice, But for me, Jungle Book would be even nicer.


except that Jungle book is already available in its original recording, while all Thief of Bagdad got is the Bernstein (excellent but short) re-recording from 40 years ago.

btw, what is that QB V11? Was there some sort of a sequel to QB VII?

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2013 - 8:21 AM   
 By:   moviescore1   (Member)

What about Rozsas's The Thief Of Baghdad?

I would love Thief of Baghdad. It's one of my favorite Rozsa scores and the City of Prague Orchestra would do a great rerecording of this.

 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2013 - 10:03 AM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

except that Jungle book is already available in its original recording, while all Thief of Bagdad got is the Bernstein (excellent but short) re-recording from 40 years ago.



Do you mean the Film Music Society release of Jungle Book? All that does is make a re-recording all the more urgent. It's better than nothing and gives an indication of the greatness of the music, but the distortion and noise puts it as close to unlistenable as it could get.

 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2013 - 10:12 AM   
 By:   OnlyGoodMusic   (Member)

The Thief of Bagdad is available in both Elmer Bernstein's and Rózsa's own re-recordings (suite/selection, whatever). That's not seriously in need of another re-recording.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2013 - 10:42 AM   
 By:   Ed Lachmann   (Member)

Like several other good folks on this thread, I'd love to hear a re-recording of SODOM AND GOMORRAH, probably most of all. Guess that's because Tadlow's brilliant QUO VADIS is playing constantly at my house and goes to work with me every day. But, then, I'd also be super excited for LAND OF THE PHARAOHS, a rousing and varied score, because they certainly do Tiomkin like nobody else. I'd rush to pick up THE WARLORD, as well, because it's such wonderful music. Any one of these! Please!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2013 - 12:29 PM   
 By:   mild_cigar   (Member)

How about this?



Yes Please!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2013 - 1:04 PM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)

I would love DUEL IN THE SUN. Unfortunately, those who could bring this about do not think they could sell enough CD's to make it worth their time and money. I wish they would change their minds.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2013 - 3:50 PM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

Like several other good folks on this thread, I'd love to hear a re-recording of SODOM AND GOMORRAH, probably most of all. Guess that's because Tadlow's brilliant QUO VADIS is playing constantly at my house and goes to work with me every day.

It may be, or it may be a subconscious awareness that Sodom is a 'huge effort' (as Rozsa himself described it) by a fabulous composer which has gone almost ignored due solely to the quality of the film. I won't say there would have been a re-recording had the film not been a dog, because there's been no attempt at complete re-recordings of Ben-Hur or Spartacus either; but certainly the original tapes would have received a lot more kind attention than they have.

 
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