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 Posted:   Mar 24, 2014 - 10:31 AM   
 By:   Doctor Shatterhand   (Member)

I haven't heard the score yet but from the reviews it sounds as if the score is toxic. Of course this is purely subjective and most likely there will be those who say they love it or that it is an okay score. Henry Jackman composed X-Men First Class several years ago and I really enjoyed it especially Magneto's Frankenstein theme. I thought when I first heard it that Jackman has created a fantastic score and has lifted the dolldrums of film scores ups several notches. Unfortunately in an interview about that score, Jackman said that he had written numerous layers of music which the director told him to scale back and just play the base line which became the theme for Magneto. Jackman was not happy with the decision but relented anyway.

It sounds as if he has multi-layered his score again with CA2TWS and probably overkilled it. This is sad since music is such an important ingredient for a motion picture. I have heard good things about the film but if the music is poorly done it will make the film less enjoyable.

I wish they had Brian Tyler doing all the Marvel films. His music for Iron Man 3, Thor 2, and Now You See Me, have been absolutely fantastic.

 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2014 - 10:36 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)


No. You seem to deliberately misunderstand that quote. He does not state that timpani or any other instruments are boring. But for this particular purpose he is looking for something else, so he uses the "natural" sound to create something different with it.


Yeah, ok, maybe I am. Perhaps he's a genius treading new ground.

 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2014 - 10:47 AM   
 By:   WillGoldNewtonBarryGrusin   (Member)


No. You seem to deliberately misunderstand that quote. He does not state that timpani or any other instruments are boring. But for this particular purpose he is looking for something else, so he uses the "natural" sound to create something different with it.


Yeah, ok, maybe I am. Perhaps he's a genius treading new ground.


Nobody said that, including him. But if it helps your argument resorting to sarcasm...

 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2014 - 10:55 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)


No. You seem to deliberately misunderstand that quote. He does not state that timpani or any other instruments are boring. But for this particular purpose he is looking for something else, so he uses the "natural" sound to create something different with it.


Yeah, ok, maybe I am. Perhaps he's a genius treading new ground.


Nobody said that, including him. But if it helps your argument resorting to sarcasm...


I was tossing you a bone, but you didn't bite. Oh well!

 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2014 - 11:07 AM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

You are right - there are other ways, too. But for him, it was this method. Perfectly fine - or is there a taste police deciding which way an artist may work?

Sure it is fine for a hack. His comments on Winter Soldier lost any respect I had for him as a composer. The orchestra should be the greatest tool a composer has to work with but so many disrespect it quite heavily. I might have expected this comment from Junkie XL but not Jackman.

 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2014 - 11:35 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2014 - 12:29 PM   
 By:   Hybrid Soldier   (Member)

The orchestra should be the greatest tool a composer has to work with

So says you...

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 24, 2014 - 2:59 PM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

Hybrid Soldier, do you reckon you could take The Winter Soldier in a fight?

 
 Posted:   Mar 25, 2014 - 9:18 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)


Thus far NO Marvel film has had a fantastic super hero theme in my opinion. The only thing that comes close is Tyler's end titles for Iron Man 3.

MV


Totally agree!

 
 Posted:   Mar 25, 2014 - 9:26 AM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

I still think Incredible Hulk has a pretty neat theme. I don't know if it counts as a "superhero theme" but to my mind it fits the character perfectly.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 25, 2014 - 9:32 AM   
 By:   lepedidus   (Member)

When people say "Silvestri's theme" do they mean the actual theme or just something that sounds enough like it to say "This is where the old theme would go"? Like in the Smithsonian track?

I mean Silvestri's Captain America theme, which is played over the very first scene of the movie and quoted throughout. There is even a music credit for it in the end titles in the film. Anybody saying there isn't thematic continuity for the Cap/Steve Rogers character doesn't know what they're talking about an in my opinion the movie is better served by the more modern techno-orchestral hybrid score than it would be an old-fashioned symphonic score. The Winter Soldier material in particular is very strong and adds great dimension to that character on screen.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 25, 2014 - 9:38 AM   
 By:   jfallon   (Member)

Great to know jackman carried Silvestris theme into the sequel. Finally some musical continuity. Makes me appreciate Jackman 's score even more.

 
 Posted:   Mar 25, 2014 - 9:41 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)


"Both “The Winter Soldier” and “The Causeway” contain what sounds like a processed scream as part of the electronic sound mix, and which appears to be an attempt at a leitmotif for the Winter Soldier character himself; when I first heard it I had to stop and check that it wasn’t my own screams I could hear over my headphones." - Jon Broxton


Fantastic work.


How to use a scream sound properly:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-xAYtbpuyQ (3:38)

 
 Posted:   Mar 25, 2014 - 9:52 AM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)

Great to know jackman carried Silvestris theme into the sequel. Finally some musical continuity. Makes me appreciate Jackman 's score even more.

Is Silvestri's theme heard in the soundtrack album?

For we all know the theme could have been tracked with music from the first film (especially if it's mentioned in the end credits) and have nothing to do with Jackman.

 
 Posted:   Mar 25, 2014 - 10:23 AM   
 By:   Other Tallguy   (Member)

Anybody saying there isn't thematic continuity for the Cap/Steve Rogers character doesn't know what they're talking about an in my opinion the movie is better served by the more modern techno-orchestral hybrid score than it would be an old-fashioned symphonic score.

From what I've seen of the film (previews) it really should be both. Glad you enjoyed it. Really looking forward to it.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 26, 2014 - 4:15 PM   
 By:   seglia000   (Member)

This score is one of the worst I have ever heard, there is just not one memorable second and that winter solder track is just awful, after hearing Brian Tyler's two scores last year which were amazing this one really for the most part sounds like someone experimenting with different sounds and idea's and getting nowhere but I'm sure it will serve it's purpose in the film.

Now WHY would they approve something like this?? and WHY not get Alan Silvestri to return, he used the Cap theme so well in Avengers and would do the same here because the only annoying thing about all these marvel movies is there is no continuity with the scores.

 
 Posted:   Mar 29, 2014 - 11:44 AM   
 By:   WillGoldNewtonBarryGrusin   (Member)

So, having seen the film I know two things:

1. This is the BEST Marvel film yet.
2. Henry Jackman´s score works MAGNIFICENTLY for this film.

And before you cynics say: Wow, is the film that bad?

It really is not. But if you see it you will accept that Silvestri´s way of scoring would not have fit - the way it definitely did with the first film and THE AVENGERS.

Also, Jackman´s theme for the "Winter Soldier" is highly effective and heightens the terrifying appearances of this character. Sure, it´s use of distortion of only a few, repeating notes must have been inspired by Zimmer´s "Joker"-theme. But in my mind, Jackman´s theme is more effective.

Of course, if you want a Silver Age score (my favorite era) you will probably never recognize the brilliance of this score. But if you open your mind you will experience the score within the film as a really fantastic one - and afterwards appreciate the score by itself even more.

 
 Posted:   Mar 29, 2014 - 3:07 PM   
 By:   Gold Digger   (Member)

Thoroughly enjoyed the film. Score not as bad as I was lead to believe. Has some strong moments. Nice to hear the Silvestri theme at the beginning. End credit was the best bit.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 29, 2014 - 4:48 PM   
 By:   jkannry   (Member)

What happened to this cd? Pre-release orders for amazing spider-man 2 and guardians of the galaxy? Cap on amazon unavailable. They call it cap. Anerica almost so you can't find it. Is there a problem? Holding back track names for shocking ending?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 29, 2014 - 4:52 PM   
 By:   jkannry   (Member)

What happened to the cd, amazon has pre-release orders for of Amazing Spider-Nan 2 and Guardians of the Galaxy. For this Score mislabeled maybe deliberately cap so can't find on captain America search. America and says unavailable. Yet is on itunes. what gives? And how are people commenting in full score?

 
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