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 Posted:   Dec 15, 2010 - 12:43 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

......BECAUSE THE BEST THING ABOUT THE RE-BOOT WAS SEEING ALL the original characters as young men and women. It was truly a delight to see the "origins' of all the characters
and made the film the success it deserved.

But re-watching it recently i was struck by the weakness'.

The action was good in spots, not so good in others. And ST isn't really about action anyway!
It had more of a INDY JONES feel than TREK. i AM AFRAID THE SEQUEL IS GOING TO BE FLAT OUT ACTION which would be a big mistake.

I do not see how they can get Nimoy into this one - it wasn't done that smoothly in the first one - which will be a loss.

I hope i am wrong, but the novelty of the first one will be gone and the new film will have to succeed or fail on the quality of the script.

here's hoping...
bruce

 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2010 - 7:05 PM   
 By:   TominAtl   (Member)

......BECAUSE THE BEST THING ABOUT THE RE-BOOT WAS SEEING ALL the original characters as young men and women. It was truly a delight to see the "origins' of all the characters
and made the film the success it deserved.

But re-watching it recently i was struck by the weakness'.

The action was good in spots, not so good in others. And ST isn't really about action anyway!
It had more of a INDY JONES feel than TREK. i AM AFRAID THE SEQUEL IS GOING TO BE FLAT OUT ACTION which would be a big mistake.

I do not see how they can get Nimoy into this one - it wasn't done that smoothly in the first one - which will be a loss.

I hope i am wrong, but the novelty of the first one will be gone and the new film will have to succeed or fail on the quality of the script.

here's hoping...
bruce


I actually think it will be better. The last one I loved, but it had alot of nervousness about it, from the filmmakers to us fan and filmgoers. Expectations were either sky high or raked the bottom. Now that that it's over lets hope that the "OMG what will they think if we do this?" attitude is over and worry about creating a fun and exciting sequel.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2010 - 7:36 PM   
 By:   mrscott   (Member)

Leonard N has retired. Unless $$$ could induce him to come back he is in the rocking chair. Maybe William S. in a new wig would do it. I thought the Star Trek rebirthing was the best film of 2009. I am greatly looking forward to their future efforts.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2010 - 8:14 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

I hope that they find a way to bring Shatner's reanimated Kirk-Borg back into the past to correct Nero's time-line pollution.

 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2010 - 8:38 PM   
 By:   Avid Fan   (Member)

I hope that they find a way to bring Shatner's reanimated Kirk-Borg back into the past to correct Nero's time-line pollution.

^^^ This. James T. Kirk doesn't go out like a punk by falling off a bridge.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2010 - 8:41 PM   
 By:   Nicholas_DW   (Member)

Yeah, in the world of Star Wars Trek, Kirk shoots things while falling off the bridge in super slow-mo with lens flares all over the place, while declaring his full name for no discernible reason.

"I'm James Tiberius Kirk! Take that you Denebian slime devil! Now you know what it is to feel the wrath of James Tiberius Kirk!"

P.S: I apologize if I seem needlessly cynical. I just hate reboots and I've loved Star Trek since I was a wee lad.

 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2010 - 9:55 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

I didn't like the STAR WARS influence at all. And the new Enterprise looks like the Dr Suess version to me. But I'm game for the sequel. What am I going to do, stay home?

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2010 - 10:18 PM   
 By:   Michael24   (Member)

I didn't care for the reboot at all. To me, it just turned Star Trek into a generic summer action movie. Not that there's anything wrong with those, but when it comes to Star Trek I just expect something different. Frankly, the only thing I liked about it was Karl Urban's performance. He seemed to be the only person who realized how ridiculous the whole thing was and decided to just go completely out there and totally shamelessly impersonate DeForest Kelley. It was a bright spot in an otherwise headache-inducing film that left me just sort of wobbling my head the whole time as I was constantly bombarded by one relentless action scene after another.

I was watching Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country last night, and it amazed me that, for a movie that actually doesn't have much action, it was still more exciting and suspenseful than anything in Abrams' Star Trek.

 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2010 - 2:23 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)


I was watching Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country last night, and it amazed me that, for a movie that actually doesn't have much action, it was still more exciting and suspenseful than anything in Abrams' Star Trek.


Yeah, it's got some good pacing. I do think Star Trek can be heavy on the action and still have that sense of exploration. First Contact is basically Die Hard in space and having Alfre Woodard along for the ride, introducing the enterprise, the holodeck, that scene by the forcefield is just so great. Taking the action outside on the enterprise dish was for me the greatest moment in any Trek movie, because it was so fresh and made for a riveting action sequence on the big screen, even though it was zero gravity and basically slow mo for the majority of the scene. So I do think there is a place and time for it.

But the last Trek felt a little too "Empire Strikes Back" in the action sequences for me. I did like the chemistry between the characters.

 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2010 - 3:59 AM   
 By:   random guy   (Member)

Nimoy was a complete waste in the first one. much like that Klingon sequence they cut out of the movie they could have done without him. just there to sucker people into seeing it and it worked. don't think they'll bring him back. can't imagine what for.

curious to see what they'll do next. hopefully Kirk doesn't get pummeled every 5 minutes.

 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2010 - 5:13 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

I was watching Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country last night, and it amazed me that, for a movie that actually doesn't have much action, it was still more exciting and suspenseful than anything in Abrams' Star Trek.

Its also a dated metaphor - the collapse of the USSR - under the guise of a Scooby-Doo episode. "Now lets see who the real villian is!" :scotty takes off assassin's rubber mask:

I'm gonna give Abram's ST movie a free pass for a couple of reasons.

1.) It managed to make Star Trek popular again
2.) It went way, way out of its way to make sure the original timeline is still valid and existing.
3.) Some of the ideas in it are really solid.

And yeah, I wasn't big on the whole shoot-em-up feel of this last movie either - but now that they've set their own place at the table, lets see what they do with the next one and then determine whats what.

 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2010 - 5:13 AM   
 By:   Scott M (Oldsmith)   (Member)

Well, not to tick off my fellow Trek fans, but the movie was never really aimed at us. Star Trek's core fanbase is not large enough to bring in the amount of money 2009's movie did. It was made to appeal to everyone else. The only place the opinion of this film is really divided is within Trek fandom. Everyone else pretty much liked it. "Wow, I didn't know Star Trek was that cool."

The next movie will be as big a hit for the same reason Transformers 2 was: lots of effects, young heroes making wisecracks, chicks in skimpy outfits, action action action. The story? Who cares? The last film had plot holes the size of Jupiter, but only Trekkies cared. And even a lot of them didn't. The fact that it's got a Star Wars slant only helped it reach a mass audience.

I enjoyed the film more than I expected. My opinion of it has faded with the move to the small screen, but there you go. This is Star Trek until JJ Abrams gets tired of it and moves on.

Nah, if the sequel fails, I'll be very surprised. Personally, I'll probably like it more since I wont have to see the Enterprise being built in Iowa, and Kirk being promoted from Cadet to starship captain. Everyone will already be in place, so there's less to annoy me. As for Nimoy, it was already pointed out that he is retired and done. Besides, he was only there to sell the "alternate timeline" fan masturbation. I'd have preferred a straight reboot, it would have avoided a few of those plot holes. If the film did anything positive, it was in keeping the original characters alive and revitalizing the interest in the concept. This, plus the redone SFX in the original series, has actually broadened interest. So, I guess it was pretty smart.

[edited to remove unfunny attempt at humor]

 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2010 - 5:22 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

(Edited)

 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2010 - 6:02 AM   
 By:   Scott M (Oldsmith)   (Member)

Yeah, that was in bad taste. It was funnier in my head.

Sorry, I edited it accordingly.

 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2010 - 2:14 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

Well, not to tick off my fellow Trek fans, but the movie was never really aimed at us. Star Trek's core fanbase is not large enough to bring in the amount of money 2009's movie did. It was made to appeal to everyone else....

THAT IS IRONIC . BECAUSE ,IF I WASN'T A TREK FAN i probably wouldn't have liked it!
i just hope the next one isn't the 'generic summer blockbuster" that one poster called the first one
brm

 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2010 - 2:14 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Its a mystery to me why ppl love Trek 2009. Horrible script, horrible action, horrible sets, horrible ship designs, lame bad guy, average CGI. Really, it wasn't any different than the last 4 Star Trek movies. If it was "different" bad I can understand why ppl loved the reboot. But it was just bad as usual. I don't dislike it because it wasnt "TOS" Star Trek, I dislike it because its just bad film making. But the score was awesome!

 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2010 - 3:06 PM   
 By:   random guy   (Member)

But the score was awesome!

respectfully disagree. the score was terribly uninteresting and laced from top to bottom with cliches. one of the track *Nero Sighted I think* just goes no where. it ends with percussions just playing a bunch of notes.
his scores to the Pixar movies are always so well done, his live action stuff is yet to make listen to an entire album in one seating. I hear "Let me in" is suppose to be good but I imagine it's just more "Lost" style of writing.

"Hella Bar Talk'" is amazing though. responsible for my current obsession for the english horn.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2010 - 6:41 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

With a little sprinkling of ret-con fairy dust Abrams could just bring in some goofy twist like The Nexus and all would be well.

It reminds me of this bizarro idea I had to bring back Khan. I thought it was sad that the TNG movies ended off with such a pussy villain. "Shinzon"? Give me a break. Anyway, Picard needed a really good adversary and Khan fits the bill. Check this out:

After the 1701-E is finished it's repairs from the Scimitar battle, random reports start piling up about a mysterious ship raping and pillaging everything in sight. Picard is sent to investigate. Meanwhile, a small research office at Starfleet has been trying to collate the available data and learn where The Nexus came from. Shortly thereafter, a grunt intern runs breathlessly into a Commodore's office and gasps, "Sir! We've got it!"

The Commodore says, "Huh? Got what?".

Somewhat calmer, the intern says, "The Nexus, sir. We finished triangulating it's co-ordinates of origin."

"And...?"

"Sir, do you remember, from about 90 years ago... something called The Genesis Wave?"


Well, you can all connect the dots from here. big grin

Yo, Abrams! If you adapt this idea for the new sequel, you don't have to pay me... just give me a story credit! LOL

smile

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2010 - 6:59 PM   
 By:   Dan Hobgood   (Member)

I enjoy the new movie immensely. Though flawed (like all the other "Trek" films in one way and/or another), the reboot was way better than I ever thought it would be. It's an emotionally-engaging, exhilarating experience, and, perhaps most importantly, is very reverential to the source material. I really value that the picture leaves me smiling so broadly. As I think Jeff Bond said, the film gives younger people insight into why folks fell in love with "Star Trek" to begin with.

Dan

 
 Posted:   Dec 16, 2010 - 7:49 PM   
 By:   Adam B.   (Member)

I am looking forward to a sequel. I enjoyed the 2009 film very much when seeing it on an IMAX screen. There were a few things that left me scratching my head though....

  • Winona Ryder as Amanda. Ryder and Quinto are roughly the same age, and she is supposed to be his mother?

  • Spock and Uhura relationship. I just can't buy it.

  • The design of Nero's ship, the Narada. Why would anyone design a mining vessel to look like a Bloomin' Onion from Outback Steakhouse?

  • Spock Prime shoo's away the huge ice planet monster with a hand held torch. (OK, I'm getting nit-picky)

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