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As a tribute and a love letter it was very very well done. Hilarious, moving, very timey whimey clever. Tennant was great, so was Hurt. And the curator at the end relished in the small role!
I have to say I loved it. I do wonder if it made even the slightest sense to a casual viewer of Doctor Who. Though I've thought that since series 6.
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Ok so let me get this straight.
The numbering from the first to the eight Doctor remains unchanged. But the John Hurt Doctor is now the 9th. The Eccleston Doctor was the 9th Doctor, but is now the 10th, The David Tennant Doctor was previously the 10th, but is now the 11th, and Matt Smith is the 12th Doctor...
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That is a bit like having your cake and eating it!
But I guess marketing wise it would be a disaster if they did. All that merchandising that has to be renumbered.
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Perhaps because Hurts Doctor memory was swiped and in his own timeline he believes he still caused the death of billions, and refuses to accept the monicker because of it.
Since all incarnations previous to Matt Smith forget about this, and Smith's Doctor doesn't (really) remember is untill he actually experienced it, it really doesn't disrupt the continuity of the revived series. But what it does do is make the upcoming Peter Capaldi Doctor the "supposed" final incarnation, meaning they will have to tackle with the problem of The Doctor's limited amounts of generations during his tenure.
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Nov 24, 2013 - 8:48 AM
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Stefan, I believe the number of his regenerations were expanded beyond 12 several years ago, I think after the business with River Song.
I thought the 50th was somewhat of a letdown, to be honest. Some missed opportunities and things I didn't grasp.
I don't understand how this episode fits in with the ending of the last episode. How did they get from there to here?
SPOILERS BELOW
Also, if the Hurt doctor is supposed to forget his pocket universe rescue-thingie and go back to Galifrey to blow it up or whatever, how come he changes into Eccleston before he even gets to do that? Doesn't make sense.
A bit disappointed that they didn't make the Eccleston transition more clearly. They could have done that any number of ways without actually using the actor himself.
Also, while it was nice to see Tom Baker, what exactly is his part here? Is he supposed to be the doctor (in some alternative timeline where he gets to be old) or the actual curator, meaning it's more of an inside joke for fans. If it's the latter, I don't really like it. It's a contuinity crash. They could have written an older version of the 4th doctor into it without doing that, I think.
SPOILERS END
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Nov 24, 2013 - 9:20 AM
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Solium
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Perhaps because Hurts Doctor memory was swiped and in his own timeline he believes he still caused the death of billions, and refuses to accept the monicker because of it.
Since all incarnations previous to Matt Smith forget about this, and Smith's Doctor doesn't (really) remember is untill he actually experienced it, it really doesn't disrupt the continuity of the revived series. But what it does do is make the upcoming Peter Capaldi Doctor the "supposed" final incarnation, meaning they will have to tackle with the problem of The Doctor's limited amounts of generations during his tenure.
Well money rules all, so it would be hard to believe they will wrap up production of DW and go on hiatus in a few years but this is exactly what they are implying. The Doctor was a lost soul, who aimlessly wondered through out the universe. Now he has a "mission" and one with a definitive conclusion.
@ Thor- I really liked the special but yeah it doesn't jive with the end of last season. At times the writing is brilliant, yet I often feel various plot devices set up before are simply dropped without explanation. I think the curator at the end was a human, and the inclusion of the actor was sort of a fun "wink, wink" for the fans.
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Actually the letter Liz 1 wrote stated she made The Doctor curator of the under gallery.
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So is there also an in-universe explanation why one of the sisters of the Sybeline looks just like Amy Pond?
Do people really require an explanation for things like that?
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Nov 24, 2013 - 4:51 PM
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Earlier today, Blogtor got the chance to sit down with Sixth Doctor Colin Baker at the Official Doctor Who Celebration at the ExCel in London and chatted to him about The Day of the Doctor and The Five(ish) Doctors Reboot. PLEASE NOTE: This interview includes SPOILERS for The Day of the Doctor.
I started by asking him his thoughts on Peter Davison's special Doctor Who episode, Colin told me: "That was fantastic because Peter said way back if they're not going to have us in the special, and at that time we didn't know that a certain other Doctor was in it [Tom Baker], which was slightly irritating."
I was going to ask about that. "You know, all or none - that's what I would have thought. I know Tom did it for longer than anybody else and he's the oldest Doctor but by asking him and not us, it makes you feel like a second-class citizen, a bit.
I'm so glad Peter had the idea of doing our thing. Because it was there for the fans. I know the population at large don't care if all the old Doctors are in it or not but I think there's enough Doctor Who fans who would have loved to have seen us in it. Even though I don't look the same, none of us look exactly the same, but I look very much not the same.
Even if there was a way to get a small part in it, which we would have done with very good grace because we care about giving back because we've been given so much over the years by the fans - their unending devotion, which has been fantastic. It would have been nice to give back to them but it wasn't to happen.
And I didn't expect it to happen but then Peter came up with the idea of the film which is about us trying to get into it [the 50th Anniversary Special]. In a way, I'm glad we didn't do it now [star in The Day of the Doctor] because I'm so proud of that [The Five(ish) Doctors Reboot].
And Peter should be very proud of that because it's funny, it's poignant, and it really is for the fans. And I hope they're going to love watching it just as much as we loved doing it. I hope it gets a wider showing, 'cos there's a lot of people who can't get access."
As a fan I loved it, I absolutely adored it.
"Thank you, thank you very much."
http://blogtorwho.blogspot.com/2013/11/colin-baker-talks-day-of-doctor.html
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Nov 24, 2013 - 5:23 PM
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BUT.... shouldn't the War Doctor actually have been Christopher Ecclestone instead of John Hurt? That to me would have been far more satisfying than introduce a new, hitherto unknown Doctor. Eccleston's Doc carried the real weight of responsibility over what had happened in the time war throughout his one series so I personally think his Doctor would have worked better. And it would have been very cool to see all three of the "new" Doctors together on screen (especially in that slo mo shot where they zap a Dalek with their screw drivers). I wonder if the way the script was originally written, Eccelestone's Doctor was in the Hurt role? That would explain why the Moment selected Rose as a visual representation of itself (to me it made no sense in the finished version). I don't know what the real reason was for Ecclestone leaving the show was although I'm sure it was more than the "I dont want to be pigeon-holed" explanation and presumably he still has a grudge against the show otherwise he surely would have appeared in so e capacity, even if it was just right at the end regeneration scene? Such a shame he didnt.
I mourn the absence of Eccy in DotD, but was glad they got a shot of him in towards the end.
As for why he left Doctor Who - a quote from an acting masterclass he did 2 years ago: "I left Doctor Who because I could not get along with the senior people. I didn’t agree with the way things were being run.
I thought to remain, which would have made me a lot of money and given me huge visibility, the price I would have had to pay was to eat a lot of shit.
It’s easy to find a job when you’ve got no morals. You can go, ‘Yeah, yeah. That doesn’t matter. That director can bully that prop man and I won’t say anything about it
I left because of politics. I did not see eye-to-eye with them.
I didn't like the culture that had grown up around the series. So I left over a principle."
Shame, big big shame...
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