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 Posted:   Dec 27, 2013 - 11:18 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

Thanks for that, War.

I haven't seen Man of Steel yet but will no doubt do so in the not too distant future, and hope to disagree with you! However, of all the generally negative reviews I've seen, yours is the one that's given me most pause for thought.

I'm not a big Superman fan. I know there has to be some tension, some possibility of failure, but he always seemed to make hard work of any challenge put in front of him, given his powers. I prefer the shades of dark gray, navy blue and black that normally surround the Batman to the primary colours and flag-waving of the thinly-disguised MoS.

This new incarnation may appeal more, but your explanation of why you were disappointed makes more sense than most (if not all) of the other pannings I've seen.

TG


Well, I've seen it now. And really liked it. If there's one thing I'd change it would be to abbreviate the Superman/Zod final battle and perhaps reduce some of the sometimes slightly tasteless building destruction. I particularly liked that his Earth parents were younger than normally portrayed, and I enjoyed the non-linear aspect. I thought Cavill was excellent throughout, with Crowe and Costner both making big contributions. I liked Amy Adams better than any other Lois, and she was actually believable as a Pulitzer-winning journalist - ie not at all ditzy. The now-portly Mr Fishburne stepped far away from the Perry White/J Jonah Jameson excesses of previous superhero films and was again a thoroughly echt secondary character.

I'm afraid that it's relegated the Reeve films to the status of the comic books as far as I'm concerned - I've never picked one up since I was a kid, and I can't see myself seeking out the earlier films (as mentioned above, I was never a big fan); and the grittier look of this film - following the comic book pattern as far as I can see - was very welcome. This isn't a Superman film in which to find humour - at which Christopher Reeve was very good but it's like comparing Roger Moore to Daniel Craig smile

By now, you can probably guess what I thought of the score. It simply worked. You couldn't make a film like that and have a jaunty march and a syrupy love theme. The score was a perfect fit, totally appropriate, and I find it hard to imagine that anyone would like the film and not the score, or indeed vice versa. Just like the Williams worked amazingly well for the Donner films. But you'll never find Superman mentioned on any shortish list of my favourite Williams scores. Just my opinion, of course. But roll on the sequel!

TG

 
 Posted:   Dec 27, 2013 - 11:48 AM   
 By:   Warlok   (Member)

Tall Guy,

Awwooo-a-waaaah,


But ummm. I have to ask if you were thrilled to see the most brilliant scientific mind of Krypton take to the skies on his fantastical beastly steed for an action chase sequence, speeding in & out of terrain at impossible speeds, dodging energy blasts, and blasting away himself at remarkably yet unsurprisingly inept pursuers. Or to see this scientist display his superb hand-to-hand combat skills (Krav-Maga?) and CQB gunnery skills. Not to mention his world-champion swimming capabilities.

For me it was stuff like this that early on, really, makes me view it as a bit of a mockery/insult to the Reeve/Brando/Routh efforts. I was rolling my eyes and groaning out loud as these sequences played out.

I just received the complete Superman Returns soundtrack and I must greatly admire Bryan Singer`s attitude therein.


(Hey - I actually liked the gratuituous building demolitions in that final fight.)
(grin)

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 27, 2013 - 12:12 PM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

Tall Guy,

Awwooo-a-waaaah,


But ummm. I have to ask if you were thrilled to see the most brilliant scientific mind of Krypton take to the skies on his fantastical beastly steed for an action chase sequence, speeding in & out of terrain at impossible speeds, dodging energy blasts, and blasting away himself at remarkably yet unsurprisingly inept pursuers. Or to see this scientist display his superb hand-to-hand combat skills (Krav-Maga?) and CQB gunnery skills. Not to mention his world-champion swimming capabilities.

(grin)


There's a perfectly rational explanation for it all, pal. Which is that Russell is a Leeds United fan and can do all that stuff.

smile

 
 Posted:   Dec 27, 2013 - 3:25 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

The biggest piece of shit I've seen all summer - Man of Steel. It excels in dissapointment.

I did like two of the score cues. That's it. I never want to see a frame of that film ever again. I look forward to not seeing the next one.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 27, 2013 - 4:27 PM   
 By:   riotengine   (Member)

You're holding me? Who's holding YOU!!!" And Christopher Reeve was perfection.

My favorite scene from that film. I keep telling people Man Of Steel would have been a lot better if it'd had a little more of that kind of feeling. smile

Greg Espinoza

 
 Posted:   Dec 27, 2013 - 5:31 PM   
 By:   SBD   (Member)

The biggest piece of shit I've seen all summer - Man of Steel. It excels in dissapointment.

I did like two of the score cues. That's it. I never want to see a frame of that film ever again. I look forward to not seeing the next one.


But other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the theater?

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 27, 2013 - 6:14 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

I just saw it today.

My thoughts are not positive. I put it in with no expectations to begin with and still ended up disappointed.

Superman has been turned into a conflicted emo-kid. The color scheme is drab and awful. The caliber of acting is just a notch above your average TV show histrionics. The score was so loud that it called attention to itself at every opportunity (sadly, louder is not better).

Maybe it will assume a new luster in years to come if the succeeding films are progressively worse.

frown

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 27, 2013 - 8:20 PM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

Tall Guy,

Awwooo-a-waaaah,


But ummm. I have to ask if you were thrilled to see the most brilliant scientific mind of Krypton take to the skies on his fantastical beastly steed for an action chase sequence, speeding in & out of terrain at impossible speeds, dodging energy blasts, and blasting away himself at remarkably yet unsurprisingly inept pursuers. Or to see this scientist display his superb hand-to-hand combat skills (Krav-Maga?) and CQB gunnery skills. Not to mention his world-champion swimming capabilities.

For me it was stuff like this that early on, really, makes me view it as a bit of a mockery/insult to the Reeve/Brando/Routh efforts. I was rolling my eyes and groaning out loud as these sequences played out.

I just received the complete Superman Returns soundtrack and I must greatly admire Bryan Singer`s attitude therein.


(Hey - I actually liked the gratuituous building demolitions in that final fight.)
(grin)



So many problems with this movie. That ridiculous opening sequence you mentioned in particular. That silly space-dragon flying thing... Jor El as an all-purpose badass, and maybe the single worst thing in the entire movie was Zod - an eye rolling, mugging, scenery chewing over the top performance even Al Pacino would be embarrassed to have on his resume.

Amy Adams was fine if given nothing much to do, same with Kevin Costner - pretty much wasted. The score actually was fine for me, but the endless, endless fighting in the last hour... ummm exactly how many innocent people were killed here ?

An almost complete misfire for me, which killed my interest in seeing any more Nolan / Goyer Superman.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2013 - 12:18 PM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

Jor El as an all-purpose badass


And why not smile - Brando seemed to me to be as uninterested as he was overpaid, and it's about time that Kal El's bloodline was explored in my opinion. MoS showed Jor El to be a spectacular polymath, which has been passed down to his son Kal. After all, not everyone who suddenly found themselves in Kal's position would take the decision to defend the world even potentially at the cost of his own life - as opposed to, say, spending all their time on wine, women and song (and women wink ) and flying around the world for their own satisfaction. We now know that he's a chip off the old block.

 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2013 - 2:47 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I had an idea for a comedy called, "Man of Steal". It's about a superhero who steals stuff. big grin

 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2013 - 2:53 PM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

Watched it last night on Blu-ray. Thought it had potential but it was more interested in just being a big CGI spectacular with an obnoxious villain who turned out to be more pathetic than menacing. A forgettable movie.

 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2013 - 2:55 PM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

I had an idea for a comedy called, "Man of Steal". It's about a superhero who steals stuff. big grin

Does he fight Kleptobrainiac?

 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2013 - 9:21 PM   
 By:   Khan   (Member)

For the people complaining about all the destruction in this movie, a question:

Do you feel the same disgust when it comes to the destruction in, say, The Avengers, or is your disgust for the destruction in Man of Steel simply because you hate the movie?

 
 Posted:   Dec 28, 2013 - 10:42 PM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

Do you feel the same disgust when it comes to the destruction in, say, The Avengers, or is your disgust for the destruction in Man of Steel simply because you hate the movie?

The disgust isn't for the devastation per se, it's that Superman doesn't even seem to consider the human cost. Just knocks over buildings willy-nilly. When the Avengers go into New York, pretty much the first thing they do is start rescuing civilians and coordinating the civilian evacuation.

 
 Posted:   Dec 29, 2013 - 7:48 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

For the people complaining about all the destruction in this movie, a question:

Do you feel the same disgust when it comes to the destruction in, say, The Avengers, or is your disgust for the destruction in Man of Steel simply because you hate the movie?


I haven't seen Man of Steel, but yes the mass destruction in The Avengers irked me to no end. It seems people are numb to such travesties. There's no consequences to actions anymore.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 29, 2013 - 8:40 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Did anyone else notice his Dads were both Robin Hood? I thought that was really funny.
Was it a deliberate in-joke?

 
 Posted:   Dec 29, 2013 - 8:41 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

For the people complaining about all the destruction in this movie, a question:

Do you feel the same disgust when it comes to the destruction in, say, The Avengers, or is your disgust for the destruction in Man of Steel simply because you hate the movie?


For the most part, I found MAN OF STEEL to be generally entertaining, but, as I said before, forgettable. Why? Because it could have explored intelligent themes and instead it just went for simplistic melodrama. THE AVENGERS, on the other hand, I thought just dumb and loud. Hated that movie completely, but don't ask me why -- the movie doesn't deserve the analysis.

 
 Posted:   Dec 29, 2013 - 9:34 AM   
 By:   random guy   (Member)

Do you feel the same disgust when it comes to the destruction in, say, The Avengers, or is your disgust for the destruction in Man of Steel simply because you hate the movie?

The disgust isn't for the devastation per se, it's that Superman doesn't even seem to consider the human cost. Just knocks over buildings willy-nilly.


but about 95% of the destruction was caused by the terraforming machine and not the brawl between the two Kryptonians. and when the fight started a majority of the city was already evacuated. Zod was punching him into empty buildings pretty much.

the gas station and the nuclear plants yes that was beyond careless on Superman's part, but most of Metropolis was already in ruins before the fight began.

 
 Posted:   Dec 29, 2013 - 7:38 PM   
 By:   Warlok   (Member)

Vast destruction was always a component of comic stories on such 'god class' heroes. I`m particularly recalling a Thor vs Hulk story as example... . I also have no problem whatsoever with any superhero show featuring super property damage. Its the rest of the show (here) that needed help.

 
 Posted:   Dec 29, 2013 - 7:58 PM   
 By:   Mr Greg   (Member)

Warlock - I can't see an e-mail address for you anywhere...any chance you can drop me a line? Address is in my profile. Cheers.

 
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