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You said it. I always believed if you are going to handle something of that nature in a moral sense you should make it strong and serious, because then the viewer will not take it lightly. Fatal attraction[not talking about the movie] is about the most destructive thing in this world.It makes something that is really terrible and wrong seemed like it is right.
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Dec 8, 2013 - 3:20 PM
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Disco Stu
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Just an observation: when you read "domestic violence" how many of you have as a first image a woman being abbused by a man? That's my gripe with the thing, whether it's racism or sexism or domestic violence, there is also THE guilty party and THE victim, and never shall it be otherewise and even if so, that's an exception and never a percentage far bigger than anyone ever wants to admit.
Second observation: when you read "domestic violence" how many of you think of physical violence? Same gripe on that one.
There is no race more or less racist both sexes are equally sexist and domestic violence can be physical or mental, and as for mental abuse, women use that where men use physical abuse. Trouble is, you can't show physical evidence of being abused mentally by your spouse.
Rape? There was big laughter in "Married with children" when Bud Bundy gets abused by women. Had Kelly Bundy been portrayed in the same situation, the series, its makers and actors would have been lynched for making fun of abuse of women.
Women hitting men? Funny, especially if they kick in the groin. Men hitting women? Ah ah no way that will be funny.
There is a law for the one and a law for the other, and that's what I find most offending of all.
As for Sean Connery, I understand what he means, and I don't think lesser of him though I say this: that if a person, male AND FEMALE has to resort to violence within a relationship, you already lost and something is very wrong. The fact that he talks about hitting a woman is to me on the same level as if there had been actress X, Y or Z saying the same thing.
If a woman hits me, she's gonna get as she gave. She decided to pull me into the arena, she has to pay for my ticket out of there too.
D.S.
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Oh, somebody's been following the recent Saachi thing.
I think Mr. Connery is probably remembering the old Scottish colloquialism to describe a woman of less than sublime aesthetic appearance:
'She has a face ye wouldnae get tired o' batterin'.'
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Ralph Kramden's signature line was a pretty dire threat to Alice. It was defused by the fact that it never happened and Alice's eye-roll every time Ralph said it. Still, The Honeymooners was built around a pretty direct threat of domestic violence.
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Dec 9, 2013 - 7:55 AM
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What is and isn't funny is a personal line that you draw for yourself - even in comedy that doesn't deal with potentially offensive matters.
In my personal taste, very few jokes about domestic, violent, or sexual crimes are funny - almost none. And in the ones that are funny to me, the butt of the joke is the perpetrator. If the victim is the butt of the joke, or if the crime itself is the punchline, it's almost certainly not going to be funny to me.
You can find a-million-and-one thinkpieces online if you spend some time looking, about how certain aspects of our culture perpetuate those kinds of jokes, or a flippant attitude towards these very serious crimes. I tend to agree with those, and I hope that some of you will research and, whether you agree or not, put some serious critical thought into the matter. Either way, nothing is going to change the fact that some people make a living with that kind of joke, and some people find that kind of thing funny.
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Dec 9, 2013 - 10:54 AM
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Regie
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Since we have expanded domestic violence to include emotional abuse I would add, I Love Lucy. Recardo used his anger to put Lucy in her place, often in a demeaning manner. She was most certainly terrified of his volatile nature. But it was all for laughs back then.
I never found Dezi funny and "I Love Lucy" was absolutely full of shouting which nobody in our family ever much liked. Some of Lucy's individual segments were funny, like the one where she was on the chocolate production line and couldn't deal with them fast enough so she started eating them. But the shouting was awful. I'll never forget that Uncle Harry used to shout "Lucille". In their defense, however, I think that those programs made after Dezi had gone out of them were more like 'cartoons' with their pratfalls and commedia del art characterizations. I just grew tired of the shouting.
And mstrox makes some very intelligent and thought-provoking comments, which I agree with. There is such a thing as "black" humour - it's a legitimate genre - which laughs about serious things, like death, political correctness etc. But we go too far if we think dreadful crimes are funny, like those previously mentioned. There was a film called "Oh, What a Lovely War". I wouldn't watch it because I thought somebody would have to be on acid to make a film like that - and he was!!!
"Dr. Strangelove" laughed about nuclear destruction - but I felt this film was meant to be satirical and a wake-up call to the world. The ending, with it's song "We'll Meet Again", made that very point. And it is MADNESS to consider nuclear war. The film was actually a powerful anti-war message.
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