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 Posted:   Jan 16, 2014 - 5:00 PM   
 By:   Khan   (Member)

I detested Pain & Gain, a movie that tells a true-life story about a pair of nitwit criminals who kidnapped, extorted, and murdered several people and has a scene where the deceased have their hands lopped off and cooked on a grill to remove the fingerprints...and this scene is treated as SLAPSTICK FARCE. Fuck this movie, and fuck Michael Bay for glamorizing the criminals as famous Hollywood stars and depicting their victims as schlubby, obnoxious cartoons who "deserve" what they get.

Lighten up, Francis.

 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2014 - 6:00 PM   
 By:   gone   (Member)


34TH ANNUAL RAZZIE AWARDS---nominations for the worst of 2013 include:

WORST PICTURE:
THE LONE RANGER

WORST ACTOR
Johnny Depp--THE LONE RANGER




We rented THE LONE RANGER and I was surprised... it was worse than I imagined. Perhaps a 'Director's Cut' with removal of an hour of the more inane & tiresome material might help, a little. I'm a fan of Depp, but it's time for him to ditch 'clown mode' and get back to quality dramas.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2014 - 2:13 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Pain & Gain is worse than all of those movies COMBINED.

No way. That film is my second favourite film of 2013 (second only to GRAVITY).

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2014 - 7:56 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)


34TH ANNUAL RAZZIE AWARDS---nominations for the worst of 2013 include:

WORST PICTURE:
THE LONE RANGER

WORST ACTOR
Johnny Depp--THE LONE RANGER




We rented THE LONE RANGER and I was surprised... it was worse than I imagined. Perhaps a 'Director's Cut' with removal of an hour of the more inane & tiresome material might help, a little. I'm a fan of Depp, but it's time for him to ditch 'clown mode' and get back to quality dramas.



The solution for Lone Ranger was always simple, edit the picture so it is linear, remove the bits at the carnival between old Tonto and the boy, those bits are totally superfluous to the story, and just take up time and confuse the story line. With those edits, it is a pretty decent picture.

 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2014 - 8:17 AM   
 By:   Thomas   (Member)

WORST PICTURE:
AFTER EARTH
GROWN UPS 2
THE LONE RANGER
A MADEA CHRISTMAS
MOVIE 43


I guess I should get along to the cinema once in a while. I haven't seen a single one of these. Or perhaps not...

 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2014 - 12:32 AM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

And it bugs me to no end that there are probably countless actors out there who could have played Tonto that actually are North American Aboriginals.

Never heard that term applied to Native Americans. You heard that somewhere?

Johnny Depp has alluded to presumed Native American ancestry, a great-grandmother in particular whom he believes to have been Cherokee or Creek, but he has never registered as a member of a tribe. Considering how ridiculous the role of Tonto was written, though, it's doubtful any self-respecting Native American would have taken it. I don't think Tonto even in the original LONE RANGER series could be considered much of a role model for young Native Americans.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2014 - 10:23 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Never heard that term applied to Native Americans. You heard that somewhere?
Johnny Depp has alluded to presumed Native American ancestry, a great-grandmother in particular whom he believes to have been Cherokee or Creek, but he has never registered as a member of a tribe. Considering how ridiculous the role of Tonto was written, though, it's doubtful any self-respecting Native American would have taken it. I don't think Tonto even in the original LONE RANGER series could be considered much of a role model for young Native Americans.



In the context in which I used it, it merely refers to the indigenous people of any particular continent (it's just a personal preference). The term "native" would suit well enough, of course.

I've read the same things about Depp's lineage. But, true or not, it seems more to me like a bit of a lame attempt to legitimize the choice of him as Tonto. I imagine there are many bona fide Native actors who could act circles around him, but we would never know it if they are never selected. Of course, the same thing could be said for any casting choice.

I suppose if the filmmakers had been determined to use a genuine Native it would also have been necessary to write the role as less ridiculous. It was the movie's loss.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2014 - 12:59 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

I try not to state the obvious, but apparently it is required here in the case of this Lone Ranger Johnny Depp discussion and Native American not being cast.

Uh, Johnny Deep was cast in Lone Ranger because he is a huge movie star, in fact the only real movie star in Lone Ranger. They were largely hanging the success of the picture on his name, admittedly odd since he played Tonto, and the movie is called Lone Ranger. But that is Hollywood for you, they cast movie stars because they are stars, not because they are ethnically correct or anything else. It is a good guess that Lone Ranger damaged his movie star status, whereas Armie Hammer will be just fine because hardly anyone knows who Armie Hammer is.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2014 - 1:15 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

I try not to state the obvious, but apparently it is required here in the case of this Lone Ranger Johnny Depp discussion and Native American not being cast.
Uh, Johnny Deep was cast in Lone Ranger because he is a huge movie star, in fact the only real movie star in Lone Ranger. They were largely hanging the success of the picture on his name, admittedly odd since he played Tonto, and the movie is called Lone Ranger. But that is Hollywood for you, they cast movie stars because they are stars, not because they are ethnically correct or anything else. It is a good guess that Lone Ranger damaged his movie star status, whereas Armie Hammer will be just fine because hardly anyone knows who Armie Hammer is.



My point about Depp's ethnic suitability for the role was an extremely minor one in the main body of what I said.
But it doesn't negate the fact that most Hollywood decisions are made by collective heads of knuckle. On that I think most of us agree.

To me he was just as unsuitable for the role as he would have been if Tonto had been an Afro-American.
(We all know the only white guy that could have pulled that off is Robert Downey Jr.!big grin)

 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2014 - 1:20 PM   
 By:   mstrox   (Member)

I think that line is just garbage - if casting a superstar was the goal, they could have easily cast a bankable star as the lead instead of Armie Hammer, and cast a Native American as a Native American.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2014 - 1:20 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)



My point about Depp's ethnic suitability for the role was an extremely minor one in the main body of what I said.
But it doesn't negate the fact that most Hollywood decisions are made by collective heads of knuckle.

(To me he was no more suitable for the role than if Tonto was an Afro-American.
We all know the only white guy that could have pulled that off is Robert Downey Jr.!big grin)



@Octoberman

Totally agree with you, celebrity based casting if very often wrong. You are certainly right that more ethnically near, and even better actors could have done the role. But these pictures are not really about quality so much as scale, celebrity such things like that. The recent string of bombs by major stars like Harrison Ford, Depp, Will Smith and some more could maybe turn the tide of casting 'big movie stars" just because they are stars. I read an opinion article, I think it was in Forbes, about how Disney should NOT bring Ford back for Indy 5.


 
 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2014 - 1:24 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

I think that line is just garbage - if casting a superstar was the goal, they could have easily cast a bankable star as the lead instead of Armie Hammer, and cast a Native American as a Native American.

Yeah, well this is not that complicated, Depp wanted to do this picture, he wanted to do Tonto, he makes like $25 million a movie, so they were not going to hire another $25 million guy for the other part, two actors $50 million, uh, no. That was not going to happen. This picture was built on the relationship between Depp, Jerry Bruckheimer, and Gore Verbinski, who made 4 Pirates pictures together that made tons of cash for Disney. That is where Lone Ranger came from, it was never going to be made without these three guys intact. You should know some backstory before tossing out 'garbage'.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2014 - 1:37 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Ladies and gents...
I give you...

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2014 - 1:39 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

We all know the only white guy that could have pulled that off is Robert Downey Jr.!



big grin
big grin

 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2014 - 1:57 PM   
 By:   gone   (Member)


I'm a fan of Depp, but it's time for him to ditch 'clown mode' and get back to quality dramas.


Tonto is basically just a clown in TLR, just as Captain Jack Sparrow is in POTC (a franchise I did not like anymore than TLR). While watching it I couldn't help but wonder what a native American audience would think. Depp was correctly cast as the clown, since what was required was eyes rolls, double takes, and all the other clown antics & responses he perfected in POTC.

Actually, the entire movie is one big clown-fest. There isn't a serious non-clown moment in it.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2014 - 2:06 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)


I'm a fan of Depp, but it's time for him to ditch 'clown mode' and get back to quality dramas.


Tonto is basically just a clown in TLR, just as Captain Jack Sparrow is in POTC (a franchise I did not like anymore than TLR). While watching it I couldn't help but wonder what a native American audience would think. Depp was correctly cast as the clown, since what was required was eyes rolls, double takes, and all the other clown antics & responses he perfected in POTC.

Actually, the entire movie is one big clown-fest. There isn't a serious non-clown moment in it.


There is the one serious moment when the Indian tribe come over the hill and are justifiably attacking and killing the white men taking the gold from the mine. Tonto sees lots of dead bodies everywhere and seems stunned, it is a rather shockingly violent moment in a Disney movie. Perhaps it was required by the story, it was rather stunning though.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2014 - 2:09 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

God, I hate clowns.

Except Pennywise. I love him.

 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2014 - 2:25 PM   
 By:   gone   (Member)

it is a rather shockingly violent moment in a Disney movie.

Which brings me to another point smile... there seemed to be a number of "ain't that a bit much for kids?" moments in this 'Disney' flick. Even a variety of tongue-in-cheek sexual double entendres. I couldn't figure out who the target audience was... little kids desensitized to adult material OR adults desensitized to immature humor?

 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2014 - 3:31 PM   
 By:   SBD   (Member)

Actually, the entire movie is one big clown-fest. There isn't a serious non-clown moment in it.

Butch Cavendish eating John's brother's heart strikes me as pretty damn serious.

Hell, the way Butch Cavendish looked wasn't anything to laugh at.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2014 - 4:24 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

it is a rather shockingly violent moment in a Disney movie.

Which brings me to another point smile... there seemed to be a number of "ain't that a bit much for kids?" moments in this 'Disney' flick. Even a variety of tongue-in-cheek sexual double entendres. I couldn't figure out who the target audience was... little kids desensitized to adult material OR adults desensitized to immature humor?



I think Disney has a hard time with PG13 material, but since they have bought into Indy and Star Wars they better adapt soon.

 
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