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Agree, as usual, Richard.
Dan
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Apr 1, 2014 - 8:40 AM
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mstrox
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I'm not as precious about the Bond legacy, as it is. The original Bond as presented in Dr. No is a completely different sort of character than in Skyfall or Casino Royale, yes, but also a completely different character than in Die Another Day, and Goldeneye, and License to Kill, and Octopussy, and Live and Let Die, and The Spy Who Loved Me, and On Her Majesty's Secret Service, and Goldfinger, and all the others. The movies have never been consistent in tone or characterization, not even the movies that have the same actor playing Bond.
I don't think that the most recent shift of tone in the movies is necessarily Craig's fault - moreso the producers who decided prior to Casino Royale to do a soft reboot and have a more Bourne-ish feel to the movies. Craig is just the face they hired to do it.
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Agree, as usual mstrox.
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Apr 1, 2014 - 9:21 AM
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Jim Phelps
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I'm not as precious about the Bond legacy, as it is. The original Bond as presented in Dr. No is a completely different sort of character than in Skyfall or Casino Royale, yes, but also a completely different character than in Die Another Day, and Goldeneye, and License to Kill, and Octopussy, and Live and Let Die, and The Spy Who Loved Me, and On Her Majesty's Secret Service, and Goldfinger, and all the others. The movies have never been consistent in tone or characterization, not even the movies that have the same actor playing Bond.
I don't think that the most recent shift of tone in the movies is necessarily Craig's fault - moreso the producers who decided prior to Casino Royale to do a soft reboot and have a more Bourne-ish feel to the movies. Craig is just the face they hired to do it.
Your even-keeled, logical, and factual words say it all.
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Apr 1, 2014 - 9:22 AM
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Richard-W
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I'm not as precious about the Bond legacy, as it is. The original Bond as presented in Dr. No is a completely different sort of character than in Skyfall or Casino Royale, yes,
So far so good
...but also a completely different character than in Die Another Day, and Goldeneye, and License to Kill, and Octopussy, and Live and Let Die, and The Spy Who Loved Me, and On Her Majesty's Secret Service, and Goldfinger, and all the others.
Wrong. Each movie took different avenues to the same place, tried different approaches to story and tone, but the character remained consistent from one film to another.
The movies have never been consistent in tone or characterization, not even the movies that have the same actor playing Bond.
Wrong again. The movies remained consistent in terms of characterization until Casino Royale in 2006. The actors all worked hard to make sure they delivered the character. Sometimes different facets of the character would be emphasized over others, but the baseline never changed. However the tone of the films and the approach to the films was uneven and inconsistent, especially with mediocre directors like Guy Hamilton and John Glen in charge, but the character always remained consistent.
I don't think that the most recent shift of tone in the movies is necessarily Craig's fault - moreso the producers who decided prior to Casino Royale to do a soft reboot and have a more Bourne-ish feel to the movies. Craig is just the face they hired to do it.
A hard reboot, you mean, and a Bourne imitation. A politically-corrected, agenda-driven reboot. I agree it's Barbara Broccoli's fault -- her stepbrother Michael Wilson doesn't have the brains -- but Craig is an intelligent actor who knows better, and he lent himself to the deconstruction and demoralization of James Bond even as he promised fans that "he would take care of the character." He hasn't. Instead he gives the character and the fans the middle finger and goes for the money.
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Apr 1, 2014 - 10:51 AM
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Dana Wilcox
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So you like Daniel Craig but you don't like James Bond movies. Daniel Craig isn't playing James Bond. Not really. One can recognize the same character interpreted by different actors from Sean Connery through Pierce Brosnan over the course of thirty years because they were all "playing the scene" as the expression goes, but not any longer. Craig's changed the DNA of the character so much it's a completely different thing. There's more to a character than a name, and Craig is playing a different character but using the same name.
Why is James Bond always such a joyless subject around this place?
Because Daniel Craig apologists refuse to admit that he's a polarizing presence. He didn't "take care of the character" like he promised to in interviews. He has no class about the well-earned criticism, either. A lot of people think he's crapped on Bond long enough.
Actually, the James Bond movies are over and done with. Craig killed it. His version is something else entirely, masquerading under the same name.
How many times has the death knell been sounded for the James Bond franchise? A boringly large number, alas, and your pronouncement bears no more gravitas than the 703 or so which preceded it. For those who have troubled themselves to read the source materials (Ian Fleming's original 007 book series), Daniel Craig's characterization fits the true James Bond persona quite nicely -- something which cannot be said for Connery or more than one or two of the succession of pretty boys subsequently cast in the role.
But go ahead, prattle on, don't let me interrupt your pleasure. But at the end of the day, just remember: Craig is Bond, and you're not. (Not sure, but I think that finger is for you!)
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Apr 1, 2014 - 10:59 AM
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Tall Guy
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So you like Daniel Craig but you don't like James Bond movies. Daniel Craig isn't playing James Bond. Not really. One can recognize the same character interpreted by different actors from Sean Connery through Pierce Brosnan over the course of thirty years because they were all "playing the scene" as the expression goes, but not any longer. Craig's changed the DNA of the character so much it's a completely different thing. There's more to a character than a name, and Craig is playing a different character but using the same name.
Why is James Bond always such a joyless subject around this place?
Because Daniel Craig apologists refuse to admit that he's a polarizing presence. He didn't "take care of the character" like he promised to in interviews. He has no class about the well-earned criticism, either. A lot of people think he's crapped on Bond long enough.
Actually, the James Bond movies are over and done with. Craig killed it. His version is something else entirely, masquerading under the same name.
How many times has the death knell been sounded for the James Bond franchise? A boringly large number, alas, and your pronouncement bears no more gravitas than the 703 or so which preceded it. For those who have troubled themselves to read the source materials (Ian Fleming's original 007 book series), Daniel Craig's characterization fits the true James Bond persona quite nicely -- something which cannot be said for Connery or more than one or two of the succession of pretty boys subsequently cast in the role.
But go ahead, prattle on, don't let me interrupt your pleasure. But at the end of the day, just remember: Craig is Bond, and you're not. (Not sure, but I think that finger is for you!)
Agree as usual, Dana
TG
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Apr 1, 2014 - 12:42 PM
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Ado
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Call me crazy but I liked Timothy Dalton.
Dalton was an awesome film Bond.
Loved his crocodilic expression.
Yeah, I think he had a "British Gentleman" debonair quality that Craig just does not have. Craig has a more oily violent quality. I think Dalton pulled it off rather nicely, despite all the grief he got at the time.
Agreed, except for the part about grief.
What grief?
I saw the films new, read the reviews and chatted with the fans. Everybody thought Dalton was a breadth of fresh air and everybody loved what he was doing. An actor's actor playing James Bond. He was unanimously welcomed.
Hi Richard,
Well I was pretty young, but my impression was that he was not that welcomed, I mean they did not use him very much, two movies. But yes, I like his style much more than Craig. If the reaction was as great as you say, then I feel better for Dalton.
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