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 Posted:   Oct 2, 2015 - 7:37 AM   
 By:   Khan   (Member)

Unless you have Celiac disease, you do not have gluten intolerance.

 
 Posted:   Oct 2, 2015 - 6:02 PM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)


I've cut out all bread (and pasta) other than (regular) 100% wheat bread. Which I eat in moderation for obvious reason. Though I may have to cut that out as well.



Have you found a reasonable substitute for wheat pasta? (Corn pasta turns into a sticky soup. Artichoke pasta is MOSTLY corn. I think I could do okay on a wheat pasta that is at least half something else.)

Thing is, I've got a bunch of jars of pasta sauce, and I'd like to use them up. Pizza is out of the question....

 
 Posted:   Oct 2, 2015 - 6:05 PM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)


Weird. Why now? Either it's my age (possible), or something weird with the crops (hello, gmo?) is going on.



Beyond these diseases, the food industry is poisoning its own clients.
This chemical food manufactured in factories is non-organic.
Besides, the farmers working for the industry are responsible because they grow food with pesticides and chemicals.
Modern wheat is so transformed that it has 42 chromosomes against 14 in the beginning.
This modern wheat is a GMO product.


Maybe I was right. I'll see if organic pasta gives me problems. I sure hate to give away 6 jars of pasta sauce.

 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2015 - 1:02 AM   
 By:   Adm Naismith   (Member)

My husband is gluten-intolerant- we found out about 5 yrs ago.

Gluten is in a lot of things, buit it;s not in everything.

For bread, I recommend Udi's Brand products.
For flours, I recommend Bob's Red Mill. I use those products to make my own GF flour blend in bulk, I also use their One-To-One flour.

For a good primer on eating gluten free- America's Test Kitchen has two GF- cookbooks. the first one has a recipe for the flour blend I use.

 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2015 - 5:51 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)


I've cut out all bread (and pasta) other than (regular) 100% wheat bread. Which I eat in moderation for obvious reason. Though I may have to cut that out as well.



Have you found a reasonable substitute for wheat pasta? (Corn pasta turns into a sticky soup. Artichoke pasta is MOSTLY corn. I think I could do okay on a wheat pasta that is at least half something else.)

Thing is, I've got a bunch of jars of pasta sauce, and I'd like to use them up. Pizza is out of the question....


No, I've cut it out all together. I remember the last time I had regular pasta with some store bough sauce in a jar. It attacked my stomach really bad. Gave the rest of the cooked pasta and sauce to a family member. A few times a year I have pizza (and suffer for it mightily) but I just love pizza to much to cut it out 100%.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2015 - 6:38 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

There's no way to totally avoid being poisoned by all the shit in the atmosphere. Unless you've got an allergy to something, I'd say be sensible and eat and drink a little bit of everything you like. If your body doesn't respond by feeling bad, it's likely OK. I've seen a lot of people obsess over diet, avoiding things they like because it's full of chemicals, and they get cancer and die anyway, or have a heart attack before they're 50, or just get run over by a bus.

 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2015 - 7:07 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

There's no way to totally avoid being poisoned by all the shit in the atmosphere. Unless you've got an allergy to something, I'd say be sensible and eat and drink a little bit of everything you like. If your body doesn't respond by feeling bad, it's likely OK. I've seen a lot of people obsess over diet, avoiding things they like because it's full of chemicals, and they get cancer and die anyway, or have a heart attack before they're 50, or just get run over by a bus.

Somethings I have to do without. Pasta literally attacks my stomach. Makes me sick as a dog. It's a no go for me. Though I generally agree with your statement. If you can handle the food eat in moderation. I eat mostly healthy, but I'll still have chocolate, soda, etc. in small quantities. I treat them as a "reward".

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2015 - 11:16 AM   
 By:   Rollin Hand   (Member)

There's no way to totally avoid being poisoned by all the shit in the atmosphere. Unless you've got an allergy to something, I'd say be sensible and eat and drink a little bit of everything you like. If your body doesn't respond by feeling bad, it's likely OK. I've seen a lot of people obsess over diet, avoiding things they like because it's full of chemicals, and they get cancer and die anyway, or have a heart attack before they're 50, or just get run over by a bus.


Steve MacQueen got cancer because he underwent an intense exposure to asbestos during his military service aboard a carrier.

Steve Jobs got cancer because he worked in a terrible industrial environment: he got a cancer by contamination and a long exposure to electronic components. He was a vegetarian.

In short, the environment is vital but also the working condition for the general health.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2015 - 11:24 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

There's no way to totally avoid being poisoned by all the shit in the atmosphere. Unless you've got an allergy to something, I'd say be sensible and eat and drink a little bit of everything you like. If your body doesn't respond by feeling bad, it's likely OK. I've seen a lot of people obsess over diet, avoiding things they like because it's full of chemicals, and they get cancer and die anyway, or have a heart attack before they're 50, or just get run over by a bus.


Steve MacQueen got cancer because he underwent an intense exposure to asbestos during his military service aboard a carrier.

Steve Jobs got cancer because he worked in a terrible industrial environment: he got a cancer by contamination and a long exposure to electronic components. He was a vegetarian.

In short, the environment is vital but also the working condition for the general health.


The point is, Thomas, that there's nothing you can do to STOP you getting cancer. You can avoid all the asbestos and electronic components you want, but you can't guarantee that a healthy lifestyle will stop you getting ill. Genetics play a huge part, as I'm sure you're aware. What I'm saying is that it's sensible to not do stupid things to your body, but if you get the short straw then your number's up.

Saturday night - I'm going out now for a lovely bottle of the finest product from the French wine cellar. A bottle of sulphates.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2015 - 1:31 PM   
 By:   Rollin Hand   (Member)



Saturday night - I'm going out now for a lovely bottle of the finest product from the French wine cellar. A bottle of sulphates.



Do you enjoy drinking pesticide, grasshopper?

Seriously, do you suffer from the side effects of gluten in the food you buy?

PS: I advise you to read the 80/10/10 by Douglas Graham
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1893831248

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2015 - 1:47 PM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)



Saturday night - I'm going out now for a lovely bottle of the finest product from the French wine cellar. A bottle of sulphates.



Do you enjoy drinking pesticide, grasshopper?

Seriously, do you suffer from the side effects of gluten in the food you buy?


Answer to question Number 1 - Yes, Mr Po, especially if it has a rich bouquet.

Answer to question Number 2 - Since you said "seriously", I'll answer seriously. I don't know, honestly. I feel fine. But maybe there are side effects I don't know about, but which I'm suffering from. I started losing my hair at the age of 18, but so did my dad. And that's about as serious as I get!

P.S. - I just saw the link you posted for the Douglas Graham book. I'm sure it's interesting, Thomas, and it would be foolish of me to dismiss something without reading it, but honestly, how many times a year do we get a startling new study on things that were supposed to be good for us and are now bad for us, and vice versa?

 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2015 - 2:03 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

The point is, Thomas, that there's nothing you can do to STOP you getting cancer.

Sure there is- an unnatural death. wink

Seriously, there's "healthier" foods and healthier ways of eating that will prevent many otherwise brought on health problems. Some diseases are preventable.

The problem however is even our "natural" foods are contaminated or engineered in ways that perhaps make them unhealthy.

So it's really hard to make the right choices. There are true organic grown foods but their harder find and cost more. Or your stuck growing them yourself.

 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2015 - 3:29 PM   
 By:   Jehannum   (Member)


Steve Jobs got cancer because he worked in a terrible industrial environment: he got a cancer by contamination and a long exposure to electronic components. He was a vegetarian.


Did any other people work in that environment or was it Jobs alone? I hear Apple was always something of a one man band. I know Jobs personally put all the "i" components together like an Airfix model kit or Bontempi organ.


In short, the environment is vital but also the working condition for the general health.


The environment is absolutely vital. I couldn't agree more. However, the working condition for the general health should never be ignored.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2015 - 3:37 PM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)



The problem however is even our "natural" foods are contaminated or engineered in ways that perhaps make them unhealthy.

So it's really hard to make the right choices. There are true organic grown foods but their harder find and cost more. Or your stuck growing them yourself.


That's it, solar panel - You grow your own organic food in ground which is contaminated by who-knows-what, then it rains acid rain on your crops, then you eat them and wonder why you still glow in the dark and die before the age of 110.

Off to watch an old horror movie now, with another bottle of sulphates. I think they're actually sulphites, but whatever they are they ain't doin' me no good!

 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2015 - 3:59 PM   
 By:   Jehannum   (Member)

I find the Daily Express and Daily Mail invaluable guides to what will give me cancer and what will cure cancer, changing from week to week.

From these newspapers I learned to avoid any products with "genes" in them. Apparently most vegetables have been "genetically modified" by evolution over hundreds of years.

 
 Posted:   Oct 3, 2015 - 4:01 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)



The problem however is even our "natural" foods are contaminated or engineered in ways that perhaps make them unhealthy.

So it's really hard to make the right choices. There are true organic grown foods but their harder find and cost more. Or your stuck growing them yourself.


That's it, solar panel - You grow your own organic food in ground which is contaminated by who-knows-what, then it rains acid rain on your crops, then you eat them and wonder why you still glow in the dark and die before the age of 110.

Off to watch an old horror movie now, with another bottle of sulphates. I think they're actually sulphites, but whatever they are they ain't doin' me no good!


This is why I am moving to Mars, asap!

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 5, 2015 - 2:04 AM   
 By:   Rollin Hand   (Member)



The point is, Thomas, that there's nothing you can do to STOP you getting cancer. You can avoid all the asbestos and electronic components you want, but you can't guarantee that a healthy lifestyle will stop you getting ill. Genetics play a huge part, as I'm sure you're aware. What I'm saying is that it's sensible to not do stupid things to your body, but if you get the short straw then your number's up.




Genetics is not important: what is crucial is the lifestyle (food, physical activities, environment).

You can cure cancer by drinking a heavy dose of veggie juices: see the work of Dr Norman Walker.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/089019033X
You can cure cancer by flushing out your stomach with castor oil plant: see the work of Dr Grégoire Jauvais.
http://www.amazon.fr/manger-bonne-santé-mince-rester/dp/293067816X/

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 5, 2015 - 2:13 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Do you suffer from the side effects of gluten?

Flours with Gluten
wheat, spelt, rye, kamut, barley, oat


According to the University of Chicago Celiac Disease Center:

"Do oats contain gluten?

"A large body of scientific evidence accumulated over more than 15 years has proven that oats are completely safe for the vast majority of celiac patients. Oats are not related to gluten-containing grains such as wheat, barley and rye. They don’t contain gluten, but rather proteins called avenins that are non-toxic and tolerated by most celiacs (perhaps less than 1% of celiac patients show a reaction to a large amount of oats in their diets).

"Oats can be in a celiac’s diet provided they are selected from sources that guarantee a lack of contamination by wheat, rye or barley.

"Some who add oats to their diet may experience GI symptoms. This may actually be a result of the increased fiber that oats provide instead of a reaction to the oats themselves"


I've noticed that General Mills is now running ads that say that Cheerios (made of oats) are now gluten-free because they've been able to eliminate any stray gluten-containing grains that may contaminate the manufacturing process.

http://www.cureceliacdisease.org/archives/faq/do-oats-contain-gluten

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 5, 2015 - 2:26 AM   
 By:   Rollin Hand   (Member)



"Some who add oats to their diet may experience GI symptoms. This may actually be a result of the increased fiber that oats provide instead of a reaction to the oats themselves"


Can you define "GI symptoms" please?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 5, 2015 - 2:28 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Can you define "GI symptoms" please?


Types of general GI symptoms include the following:

Abdominal pain.
Constipation.
Diarrhea.
Gas in the GI tract.
GI bleeding.
Nausea.
Vomiting.

GI stands for "gastro-intestinal."

 
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