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 Posted:   Apr 22, 2016 - 11:23 AM   
 By:   Mike_J   (Member)

I watched GOLDFINGER again tonight. One of the best scenes in the movie is the golf scene---too bad the later Bond movies never had an equivalent scene.

It's not only the best scene in the movie (a movie with a lot of great scenes) but it's also the best scene in the book. (The book covers all eighteen holes!)


The movie hugely improved on the golf scene. Its been a while since I read it but I seem to recall in the book, Fleming had the caddie doing the cheating with Goldfinger's ball instead of Bond. Both are well written, but the film version is better in my view.

Incidentally, the golf course where the game was filmed is Stoke Park Country Club & Spa which was also used in Tomorrow Never Dies. I'm taking my lady there for a spa day and romantic dinner in June so I'm looking forward to seeing the 007 filming location.

 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2016 - 11:56 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

I wonder if the headless statue is still there?

And if Gert Frobe still owns the club?

 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2016 - 12:09 PM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

...

Incidentally, the golf course where the game was filmed is Stoke Park Country Club & Spa which was also used in Tomorrow Never Dies. I'm taking my lady there for a spa day and romantic dinner in June so I'm looking forward to seeing the 007 filming location....


Be honest ... you're going there only because you want to see the location where your favourite JB007 actor met his bloody end (in the film often credited as raising said actor's profile for the JB007 role!) smile

Back on topic: as much as Goldfinger is highly rated, I recognise it as the film which set the template for future JB007 films but it's never been my favourite. That said, it has lots of superb elements and I think it's the best of Mr. Hamilton's four JB007 films.

Mitch

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2016 - 1:19 PM   
 By:   Angelillo   (Member)

The guy who filmed the only time James Mason and George Sanders met !



A blissing for the ears...

 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2016 - 2:42 PM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

The guy who filmed the only time James Mason and George Sanders met !



A blissing for the ears...


I watched this a few months ago on Amazon Prime, and I believe you can find it on You Tube. A favorite I wish someone would put out on Blu-ray.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2016 - 2:47 PM   
 By:   Mike_J   (Member)

...

Incidentally, the golf course where the game was filmed is Stoke Park Country Club & Spa which was also used in Tomorrow Never Dies. I'm taking my lady there for a spa day and romantic dinner in June so I'm looking forward to seeing the 007 filming location....


Be honest ... you're going there only because you want to see the location where your favourite JB007 actor met his bloody end (in the film often credited as raising said actor's profile for the JB007 role!) smile



Mitch


Haha, very good Mitch! Actually I quite like Layer Cake and thought Craig was OK in it.

Actually (getting even further off topic) the trip actually came about because for Valentine's Day I took my lady on a tour of London locations for the Bridget Jones movies which she loves - It was a magical mystery tour as I didn't tell her what the theme was so she was a bit clueless when we went to the Tate Modern, Borough Market and a wine bar that doubled as the Greek restaurant in the first film (I love my lady to bits but she is very dense about movies!). At the start I told her she would win a prize if she worked out the theme before and she did when we went to the pub that, in the film, is Bridget's house. So over dinner (in the restaurant on the Thames that Bridget has her first date with Hugh Grant) I told her about the spa day at Stoke Park - and that if she had lost, her prize was going to be a pair of Bridget Jones style big knickers!!!

 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2016 - 2:53 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

yeah GOLDFINGER is the definitive 007 flic, the mythic 007 flic
but
not my favorite either.

The big problem with the film is it slows to a wtf crawl when Bond is taken to the horsefarm.
Just what was the point of the the whole Odd Job goes to the car wrecking yard scene?
Or, "gassing the gangsters".... etc.

Still, they have never even came close to the thrilling climax where 007 battles Odd Job-
pure genius!
brm

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2016 - 4:02 PM   
 By:   Mike_J   (Member)

yeah GOLDFINGER is the definitive 007 flic, the mythic 007 flic
but
not my favorite either.

The big problem with the film is it slows to a wtf crawl when Bond is taken to the horsefarm.
Just what was the point of the the whole Odd Job goes to the car wrecking yard scene?
Or, "gassing the gangsters".... etc.

Still, they have never even came close to the thrilling climax where 007 battles Odd Job-
pure genius!
brm


I agree - the Kentucky horse breeding centre stuff is very slow and some of it is pretty tedious.

But yeah the climax is superb - everything from the full battle, to Bond and Odd Job and then the final countdown. Fantastic stuff.

Incidentally, does anyone know definitively if there really are two prints of he film in circulation - one where the clock stops at 003 (which is referenced in the dialogue) and the other (which is the one commonly screened) where it stops at 007? I know they re-shot the scene to include the latter but there are people around who claim they've seen the alternate print.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2016 - 4:37 PM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

I know I'm in the minority, but I always liked "From Russia With Love" better than "Goldfinger", both in approach and feel. "Goldfinger" was when the series started to become silly, with more heavy reliance on improbable gadgets, etc. This is not meant as a knock on Hamilton's direction, though.

"Goldfinger" is still a fun film overall.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2016 - 11:05 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Guy Hamilton directed and co-wrote 1955's THE COLDITZ STORY, which told the tale of Allied prisoners of various nationalities who pool their resources to plan numerous escapes from an "escape-proof" German POW camp housed in a Medieval castle. Four minutes of Francis Chagrin's score was re-recorded for a 2005 Chandos compilation CD.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2016 - 11:12 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Filming on 1959's THE DEVIL'S DISCIPLE began under director Alexander Mackendrick, but early in the production he was replaced by Guy Hamilton. The film was based on a play by George Bernard Shaw. Richard Rodney Bennett provided the unreleased score.


 
 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2016 - 11:43 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Gert Fröbe, who played the title character in 1964's GOLDFINGER spoke very little English (Michael Collins dubbed his voice). So director Guy Hamilton instructed Fröbe to speak his lines (in German) quickly which would assist the looping.

Hamilton had an influence on the capabilities of Bond's Aston Martin. The ejector seat was suggested by Hamilton's stepson. And the idea of the car's revolving number licence plates came from Hamilton, who had recently been frustrated at receiving a parking ticket.

Concerned about censors, the producers thought about changing Pussy Galore's name to "Kitty Galore", but as Hamilton said "if you were a ten-year old boy and knew what the name meant, you weren't a ten-year old boy, you were a dirty little bitch. The American censor was concerned, but we got round that by inviting him and his wife out to dinner and [told him] we were big supporters of the Republican Party." To shoot Pussy Galore's Flying Circus gassing the soldiers, the pilots were only authorized to fly above 3000 feet. Hamilton recalled this was "hopeless", so they flew at about 500 feet, "and the military went absolutely ape".

It was in GOLDFINGER that Q's character first came to the fore. Hamilton advised Desmond Llewelyn to inject humor into the character, thus beginning the friendly antagonism between Q and Bond that became a hallmark of the series. In an attempt at product placement, the scene with Bond in the plane's bathroom was originally meant to showcase Gillette shaving products. But Hamilton thought this was silly, and it was abandoned.

John Barry's score was last released by Capitol/EMI Records in 2003.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2016 - 12:13 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

In Hamilton's MAN IN THE MIDDLE (THE WINSTON AFFAIR), an American lieutenant stationed in WWII India (Keenan Wynn) shoots dead a British NCO and admits his crime, but his reason for the murder is so bizarre that it puzzles his defense counsel (Robert Mitchum). John Barry's score for the 1964 film was released on Fox and $tateside LPs, but has never been reissued on CD.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2016 - 12:34 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

In addition to the Bond films, producer Harry Saltzman hired Guy Hamiliton to direct the second of his "Harry Palmer" spy films, FUNERAL IN BERLIN, as well as his 1969 production of BATTLE OF BRITAIN. Despite its historic story and plethora of British stars, the $17 million film took in only $2 million at the American box office, and all told lost $10 million worldwide. The Ron Goodwin - William Walton score was last released by Varese Sarabande in 2004.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2016 - 2:08 AM   
 By:   Mike_J   (Member)

With all the attention given to Goldfinger, let's not forget that Hamitlton returned to the Bond franchise for Diamonds Ar Forever, Live & Let Die and The Man With The Golden Gun.



Whilst the latter is widely regarded as one of the lesser Bond movies, it has a special place in my heart as it was the first 007 film I ever saw. I absolutely loved it and even though I now recognise its many shortcomings, I still think it is cracking good entertainment. Location-wise, I think it looks terrific, the production design is pretty cool even by today's standards (love Scaramanga's island home) and, in Christopher Lee, one of the best Bond villains ever. The scene where Bond and Scaramanga eat lunch before the duel is just superbly played by both Lee and Moore.

The one niggle I've always had about TMWTGG is that, in the finished film, Scaramanga does seem to actually be better than Bond because the latter fires off several shots from his PPK whilst Scaramanga never shoots his one bullet and, you can assume, had the dummy Bond not conveniently been holding a functional and loaded PPK, 007 would have got a golden bullet eventually (especially since he had clumsily dropped his gun). However, a few years ago I found out that Hamilton actually did shoot a scene where Scaramanga does actually shoot his Golden Gun (at an impromptu Molotov cocktail that Bond has fashioned) and then you see he is carrying a cache of other golden bullets, one of which he loads, the others he pockets - Scaramanga is in effect a cheat! The scene was cut to bring he film's run time doen but I really wish it had been left in - it makes Scaramanga more of Bond's equal than his putative better.

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 Posted:   Apr 23, 2016 - 2:40 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Hamilton's second Bond film was DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER. Actresses considered for the role of "Tiffany Case" included Raquel Welch, Jane Fonda, and Faye Dunaway. Jill St. John had originally been offered the part of "Plenty O'Toole," but landed the female lead after impressing Hamilton during screen tests. St. John thus became the first American Bond girl.

The director, no fan of big American cars, took particular delight in trashing them in the film's car chase scenes. Hamilton had a habit, when he couldn't remember the name of something, of calling it Hergerscheimer. Hence, the appearance of a doctor named Hergerscheimer in this film is an in-joke from writer Tom Mankiewicz.

John Barry's score for the 1971 film was last released by Capitol/EMI Records in 2003.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2016 - 3:01 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Guy Hamilton, was a jazz fan, so Tom Mankiewicz suggested that he film 1973's LIVE AND LET DIE in New Orleans. Hamilton did not want to use Mardi Gras as a background, since THUNDERBALL featured Junkanoo, a similar festival. So after more discussions with the writer and location scouting with helicopters, Hamilton decided to use two well-known features of the city--the jazz funerals and the canals. George Martin's score was last released by Capitol/EMI in 2003.



 
 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2016 - 3:23 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Hamilton directed his third Bond film in a row, and fourth and last overall with 1974's THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN. Tom Mankiewicz wrote a first draft of the script in 1973, delivering a screenplay that was a battle of wills between Bond and Scaramanga, whom he saw as Bond's alter ego, "a super-villain of the stature of Bond himself." Tensions between Mankiewicz and Hamilton, and Mankiewicz's growing sense that he was "feeling really tapped out on Bond," led to the re-introduction of Richard Maibaum as the Bond screenwriter. The two share screen credit.

According to Roger Moore, Hamilton wanted to toughen Bond up, in order to be closer to Ian Fleming's original intent for the character. One of the ways was by having Bond twist the arm of "Andrea Anders" (Maud Adams) behind her back, and threaten to break it unless she told him what he wanted to know. Moore didn't enjoy filming the scene, feeling that Bond would have instead charmed the information out of her. Another scene Moore didn't like was pushing the boy into the water during the boat chase. Hamilton met Maud Adams in New York, and cast her because "she was so elegant and beautiful that it seemed to me she was the perfect Bond girl".

Hamilton decided to cast Marc Lawrence, with whom he had worked on DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER, as a gangster shot dead by Scaramanga at the start of the film, because he found it an interesting idea to "put sort of a Chicago gangster in the middle of Thailand". Hamilton has stated that "Nick Nack" (Hervé Villechaize) was intended to be a miniature version of the Oddjob character (they both wear black bowler-style hats) from GOLDFINGER.

Hamilton adapted an idea of his involving Bond in Disneyland for Scaramanga's funhouse. The funhouse was designed to be a place where Scaramanga could get the upper hand by distracting the adversary with obstacles, and was described by production designer Peter Murton as a "melting pot of ideas" which made it "both a funhouse and a horror house." Hamilton admitted that he added the slide whistle to the famous car roll because he didn't think there was a way the audiences would take such a stunt seriously. He later regretted this.

John Barry's score was last released by Capitol/EMI in 2003. It was his fifth and last score for a Hamilton film.

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2016 - 6:33 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

I always thought the BOB poster was a great piece of advertising but just noticed it seems to be saying the Spitfire could out-turn the Messerschmitt 109. We can see the Union flag trail wrapped around the German plane's trailing flag, which also implies the 109 had a higher straight-line speed in a dive. If this was intentional then a fair amount of thought went into the design, iconic as it is.

I once had a magazine published at the time of the film (1969) which featured Adolf Galland. The film sparked off one of the never ending arguments centred on BOB - that of the tactics and methods of engagement. This quasi political aspect comes out, therefore, in the poster - but I'd never seen it until now.

 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2016 - 7:26 AM   
 By:   RoryR   (Member)

I know I'm in the minority, but I always liked "From Russia With Love" better than "Goldfinger", both in approach and feel. "Goldfinger" was when the series started to become silly, with more heavy reliance on improbable gadgets, etc. This is not meant as a knock on Hamilton's direction, though.

"Goldfinger" is still a fun film overall.


I think most critics agree that "From Russia With Love" is the best Bond in terms of a quasi realistic spy thriller, but "Goldfinger" got the elements hightened, more implausibly of course, as audience-pleasing "grand entertainment, a large element of which was the brassy score. Things have never quite jelled as well in any Bond film since, and the formula became a parody of itself during the Roger Moore years. I think the franchise has struggled to be grand entertainment again ever since, and the end of the Cold War hasn't helped.

The last Bond film, "Spectre," I thought a real bore. Why they can't rediscover what worked so well in "Goldfinger," I just can't fathom.

 
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