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 Posted:   Dec 7, 2017 - 7:18 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Basically any post 70's band, singing group, or singer trying to do covers of classic Christmas songs.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2017 - 10:53 AM   
 By:   paulhickling   (Member)

In the John Lennon vs. Paul McCartney arguments, I'm usually a Paul supporter but I have to say his "Wonderful Christmastime" is a very disappointing Christmas track...

Yeah, I agree with all of the above. I love Paul's music, but not in this case. One listen was more than enough... frown


I can remember the first time I heard and saw it on tv. As a Beatles fan, I could not believe how boring and dull it was/is! The man who gave us so many great songs throughout his career and this was the best he could do? Obviously the idea is to be simple, but there's simple and then just well... pretty dumb! So, yes I'm afraid Lennon's is better by a country mile. At least it sounds like a proper John Lennon song. Macca's sounds like an amateur who couldn't be bothered. A true missed opportunity.



For what it's worth, I'm not really fond of the Lennon track either. As a huge Beatles fan, it gives me no pleasure to say that, but it's true. It's just that the Lennon track is less annoying than the McCartney track...


By the way, dbrooks, you might be right about the synths being the key culprit... embarrassment


You have a point about the least worst bit, but I still think it's way better. As for synths? Synths are no better or worse than an orchestra (ok I know a full orchestra doesn't really have any competition in this matter), it's what is done with it that really matters. And Paul just sits around and messes about! Ding dong, ding dong...

We KNOW he's just having a laugh and he probably would say it's the same as pulling a Christmas cracker with no more importance than that, but my goodness this is the man who gave us HEY F****G JUDE! lol. Even a bit of fun deserves more concentration than his Yuletide offering.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2017 - 12:29 PM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

You have a point about the least worst bit, but I still think it's way better. As for synths? Synths are no better or worse than an orchestra (ok I know a full orchestra doesn't really have any competition in this matter), it's what is done with it that really matters. And Paul just sits around and messes about! Ding dong, ding dong...

We KNOW he's just having a laugh and he probably would say it's the same as pulling a Christmas cracker with no more importance than that, but my goodness this is the man who gave us HEY F****G JUDE! lol. Even a bit of fun deserves more concentration than his Yuletide offering.


Personally, I find the synths on this track to be particularly grating. If this song were done on say, acoustic guitar (in a strumming style similar to "Mull of Kintyre"), were only 2/3 the length, sped up a little as well, it might not be so bad as a kind of "sit around the campfire and strum a silly tune" song. And like you said, remove the superfluous "Ding Dong, Ding Dong" crap, and to me, it really wouldn't be any worse than Lennon's. Just my opinion, though. I'm sure millions would differ... wink

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2017 - 12:53 PM   
 By:   paulhickling   (Member)

You have a point about the least worst bit, but I still think it's way better. As for synths? Synths are no better or worse than an orchestra (ok I know a full orchestra doesn't really have any competition in this matter), it's what is done with it that really matters. And Paul just sits around and messes about! Ding dong, ding dong...

We KNOW he's just having a laugh and he probably would say it's the same as pulling a Christmas cracker with no more importance than that, but my goodness this is the man who gave us HEY F****G JUDE! lol. Even a bit of fun deserves more concentration than his Yuletide offering.


Personally, I find the synths on this track to be particularly grating. If this song were done on say, acoustic guitar (in a strumming style similar to "Mull of Kintyre"), were only 2/3 the length, sped up a little as well, it might not be so bad as a kind of "sit around the campfire and strum a silly tune" song. And like you said, remove the superfluous "Ding Dong, Ding Dong" crap, and to me, it really wouldn't be any worse than Lennon's. Just my opinion, though. I'm sure millions would differ... wink


You've got something there. If it had a campfire feel, or in this instance a 'round the fireplace' feel, it might scrape by. As it is it sounds manufactured and churned out in a way very little of his other work does. And we get it EVERY CHRISTMAS!

Roy Wood was inspired by this guy, and yet HIS Christmas song is a classic!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2017 - 12:57 PM   
 By:   Thomas   (Member)

I don't think it's a masterpiece by any stretch, but I find it a cheerful festive little number which I imagine was the whole point of it.

 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2017 - 8:13 AM   
 By:   Michael Scorefan   (Member)

In order of songs I hate most:

The Chipmunk song: Alvin and the Chipmunks are fingernails on a chalkboard to me

All I want for Christmas is my two front teeth, and other Christmas songs sung in a kid's voice. Ugh.

Santa Baby

Wonderful Christmastime

12 Days of Christmas: A painfully repetitive song that goes on endlessly

Runner-up: although their heart was in the right place, and I like the performances and music of the original release: Do They Know Its Christmas?: Listening to it now the lyrics seem more condescending than anything. Also, at some point Bono sings "Thank God it's them instead of you" or something to that effect. Not the best line from a song meant to create empathy.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2017 - 11:42 AM   
 By:   paulhickling   (Member)

In order of songs I hate most:

The Chipmunk song: Alvin and the Chipmunks are fingernails on a chalkboard to me

All I want for Christmas is my two front teeth, and other Christmas songs sung in a kid's voice. Ugh.

Santa Baby

Wonderful Christmastime

12 Days of Christmas: A painfully repetitive song that goes on endlessly

Runner-up: although their heart was in the right place, and I like the performances and music of the original release: Do They Know Its Christmas?: Listening to it now the lyrics seem more condescending than anything. Also, at some point Bono sings "Thank God it's them instead of you" or something to that effect. Not the best line from a song meant to create empathy.


But as for the various remakes.... it just goes downhill....

 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2017 - 11:59 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

In order of songs I hate most:
The Chipmunk song: Alvin and the Chipmunks are fingernails on a chalkboard to me
All I want for Christmas is my two front teeth, and other Christmas songs sung in a kid's voice. Ugh.


Oh man, I LOVE the Chipmunks Christmas albums! I played them the other day. They're a delight to my ears.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2017 - 12:03 PM   
 By:   paulhickling   (Member)

In order of songs I hate most:
The Chipmunk song: Alvin and the Chipmunks are fingernails on a chalkboard to me
All I want for Christmas is my two front teeth, and other Christmas songs sung in a kid's voice. Ugh.


Oh man, I LOVE the Chipmunks Christmas albums! I played them the other day. They're a delight to my ears.


I bet you like the Smurfs.

 
 Posted:   Dec 8, 2017 - 12:11 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

In order of songs I hate most:
The Chipmunk song: Alvin and the Chipmunks are fingernails on a chalkboard to me
All I want for Christmas is my two front teeth, and other Christmas songs sung in a kid's voice. Ugh.


Oh man, I LOVE the Chipmunks Christmas albums! I played them the other day. They're a delight to my ears.


I bet you like the Smurfs.


Condescending much, fuck face?

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2017 - 5:27 AM   
 By:   paulhickling   (Member)

In order of songs I hate most:
The Chipmunk song: Alvin and the Chipmunks are fingernails on a chalkboard to me
All I want for Christmas is my two front teeth, and other Christmas songs sung in a kid's voice. Ugh.


Oh man, I LOVE the Chipmunks Christmas albums! I played them the other day. They're a delight to my ears.


I bet you like the Smurfs.


Condescending much, fuck face?


Mmm. Gentle sarcasm vs personal insult. Maybe you're using a sledgehammer to crush a nut, but I'll plough on and reply as I was going to, to a less savage response that I wrongly expected. We all have our childhood favourites based around the old speeding up the voices trick (who as a kid in the age of vinyl hasn't roared with laughter at playing records at the wrong speed?, and we did get the Chipmunks in the Uk in the 60s). Mine was Ken Dodd and the Diddymen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGor7ZyCawI

The Smurfs are rather timely for me as I hear them on a regular basis. My local pub has a song on the jukebox as a default track. Every time it pops up someone rushes to put on a song to get rid of it!

 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2017 - 7:25 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Use smile big grin wink razz so ppl understand your comments are in jest. Otherwise they can easily be misconstrued.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 10, 2017 - 10:55 AM   
 By:   paulhickling   (Member)

No problem. Considering the amount of US-UK folks on here (I know there's loads of others, erm.. Thor and of course MANY others) it's only natural that sometimes the wires will get crossed. Hey, we're only SUPPOSED to speak the same language... smile

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2017 - 12:42 AM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

I haven't yet read this entire thread so far, but I've read far enough that I know I want to go on record registering this opinion: I love "Wonderful Christmas Time."

Sue me.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 12, 2017 - 2:12 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

I haven't yet read this entire thread so far, but I've read far enough that I know I want to go on record registering this opinion: I love "Wonderful Christmas Time."

Sue me.


You’ll be hearing from EVERYONE’s solicitors...


smile (just in case you were expecting to hear from everyone’s solicitors)


One unique song that I don’t think has been mentioned is Jona Lewie’s Stop the Cavalry, which is anti war more than pro Christmas but counts if only in the instrumentation. The Sparks song Thank God it’s Not Christmas is even sadder, subtly highlighting that not everyone can enjoy all the usual trimmings. Sorry, but I think that both of these are more significant than McCartney’s shameless crowd pleaser!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2017 - 12:46 PM   
 By:   leagolfer   (Member)

I haven't yet read this entire thread so far, but I've read far enough that I know I want to go on record registering this opinion: I love "Wonderful Christmas Time."

Sue me.


I agree its a great festive song, even if people do rate it as a turkey.

The worst song of all-time is Christmas in Blobby-Land, by Mr Blobby.

 
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