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 Posted:   Jun 29, 2007 - 6:17 AM   
 By:   Stefan Miklos   (Member)

Stef, Eric: presumably by now you've waded through Season Two. Is the visual quality so abysmal it totally sabotages one's overall enjoyment or should we break down and overlook it all?

Inquiring Barkleys wanna know ...



To be more precise, the first three episodes are rather dirty then the rest is watchable. They screwed the two parter "Legend of a General" starring Nehemiah Persoff!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2007 - 6:47 AM   
 By:   JSWalsh   (Member)

" As for lovely, drop-dead-and-resurrected alive gorgeous Linda Evans, we ASK you, has there ever been a more beautiful, breathtaking vision of young womanhood on the passionately emotional, hormonally hot threshold of – everything? "

No. She is incredibly fine in those days.

I was born a little too late for this show, but I did manage to catch a few eps here and there, until my grandmother realized I was breathing too heavy when Linda came onscreen...

Man, what the heck did that John Derek have in his veins???

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2007 - 12:09 PM   
 By:   Gordon Reeves   (Member)

Yeah, that "breathing heavy" bit is always a dead give away when you're starting to come alive! big grin

And, hey, JaSe, what with first URSULA ANDRESS, then LINDA EVANS and, finally, BO DEREK, somehow we have a suspicion amounting to a certainty whatever John Derek had going for him, his veins were the last thing that attracted that tantalizing trio.

Just think, any one of them woulda been the catch of a lifetime; this cat caught the golden ring THRICE! wink

Hugh who? ...

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 29, 2007 - 7:13 PM   
 By:   Cricket853   (Member)

I do sometimes catch this show on TV, but I do not think it was all that great. I got tired of seeing Lee Majors stunt double in too mamy fight scenes. Heath could not even take a little fall without having the stuntman double for him. Pitiful.

Duning's music was great. I think most episodes he was credited with the entire score, but at least once I saw him credited with just the main title and Elmer Bernstein credited with the rest of the score.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 30, 2007 - 11:53 AM   
 By:   Gordon Reeves   (Member)

Cric, you've just nailed the one paramount MONSTER peeve we've always had about the series: that not-so-subtle insertion of stuntmen for what seems like only a few seconds, then back to the main actors (tho Breck seems to have done more of his own without too much substitution).

And we'd love to see George Duning's cues - plus Schifrin and Bernstein's - included in B.V. remastered CeeDee but that'll probably happen around when we have exclusive footage of the Big Bang ...]

 
 Posted:   Jul 12, 2007 - 2:54 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Watched The Big Valley ep "In Silent Battle", guest-starring Adam West. This ep was dated 1968, so this must have been right at the end of his Batman run(?) Anyway, pretty good episode, with Linda Evans' bouffant in full flower (via a hairpiece ("Fall"), I reckon) and it's just too bad that old Westie couldn't get taken seriously as an actor, but his fellow ham William Shatner endured the same thing, yet still manged to get game show and tv guest shot gigs regularly throughout the 1970s.

One question, however: How in the world could the world have handled TWO long pause-when-speaking actors in the same time frame?wink Whereas Shatner took long pauses between words, West sounded like he was waiting to read a slow-rolling teleprompter!

 
 Posted:   Jul 12, 2007 - 3:06 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

That Adam West episode was the debut episode of Season 4 (1968-69) and was West's first acting job after Batman's cancellation, so you can see how much he was trying to break type right away (unsuccessfully).

I'll end up getting this and the rest of the run via a trade with someone who has the rest of the episodes not released on DVD and this is one of the two I'm most anxious to see (the other being the episode following this one, which has Julie London guesting as a one time Confederate spy femme fatale).

 
 Posted:   Jul 12, 2007 - 3:13 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

I also like the way in which they attempted to soften up the Nick Barkley character via humor by this time (68-69), as he was IMO too damned bitchy early on. He's actually quite charming when he's not the focus of the plot in season four. I think that the series was only beginning to hit it's stride by the fourth season and it's too bad that it's demise (and that of the Western in general) was imminent.

 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2007 - 12:13 AM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

Got my set of the rest of the episodes (46-112) not officially released today, so if Fox doesn't come through with releasing the rest, at least I'm covered!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2007 - 1:59 AM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

I have vague recollections of watching the series here in the UK, probably early/mid '60s, and can recall my parents referring to Barbara Stanwyck as a big movie star.

It still turns up in the UK today on the Movies4Men and Life channels (as part of a job lot of Four Star shows, most of which seem to have turned up on Performance - alas, not shown anymore. frown At least I managed to get Elmer Bernstein's Saints and Sinners theme before the doors shut. smile )

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2007 - 7:05 PM   
 By:   James MacMillan   (Member)



It still turns up in the UK today on the Movies4Men and Life channels (as part of a job lot of Four Star shows, most of which seem to have turned up on Performance - alas, not shown anymore. frown At least I managed to get Elmer Bernstein's Saints and Sinners theme before the doors shut. smile )



Yeah, the end title to Saints and Sinners was great, with wobbly black-and-white helicopter shots of Manhattan coupled with Bernstein's propulsive theme. Loved it.

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2007 - 10:28 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

"The Long Ride" has a very Mission: Impossible-ish score by Lalo Schifrin. The poor guy must have scored every fourth season episode, or darn near every episode.

And Linda Evans (circa The Big Valley) was one of the big crushes of my youth. I'd be hard pressed to find a more ravishing-looking woman on TV during this (1965-69) time frame.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 22, 2007 - 9:28 PM   
 By:   Gordon Reeves   (Member)

Your choice for Finest Ep of Season One?

They're a finger-full of close contenders but we figure "My Son, My Son" has the top spot cornered.



Not only was it around the period Robert Walker Jr. was doing some of his most memorable work, such as Charlie X in Star Trek



but it's our unabashed belief this is the one responsible for Barbara Stanwyck's Best Actress Emmy (especially when she comes into the barn and sees him choking the life outta Audra) ...

 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2007 - 11:28 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

"The Odyssey of Jubal Tanner" has got to have one of the worst payoffs in Big Valley history! I won't spoil the goodness by relaying the plot, but it was infuriating!

 
 Posted:   Aug 23, 2007 - 12:57 PM   
 By:   Stefan Miklos   (Member)

Your choice for Finest Ep of Season One?

They're a finger-full of close contenders but we figure "My Son, My Son" has the top spot cornered.





Neotrinity,

In the 1960's television, Robert Walker Jr was always typecasted as the disturbed young man: see "Combat!", "The Invaders", "The Big Valley", "Star Trek".

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2007 - 3:23 PM   
 By:   Gordon Reeves   (Member)

You're quite right about Walker Jr., Stefan; he did seem to have the neurotic patent on disturbed young men around that time (in fact, he was so durn impressive at it many probably overlooked just how much skill it took to pull off so consistently, to say nothing of persuasively).

Oh, and Zelig, you're also alive-on-target with your assessment of "Jubal Tanner"; it's particularly vexing as it has so many marvelous moments between Stanwyck and Arthur O'Connell (in the title role), especially concerning the frustrating caught-in-the-middle performance of our favorite, Richard Long (the only one in the cast who could match and equal Stanwyck's power, acting authority, depth and distinction).



As to that, for those with Season One already purchased, which would be your favorite Top Ten? (We've gotta do something to keep Price Waterhouse busy till the Oscar tallies) cool ...

 
 Posted:   Sep 1, 2007 - 3:49 PM   
 By:   Stefan Miklos   (Member)


As to that, for those with Season One already purchased, which would be your favorite Top Ten?


Top ten season 1:
"Palms of Glory" (pilot)
"My Son, My Son"
"Night of the Wolf"
"A Time to Kill"
"Under a Dark Star"
"Barbary Red"
"The Death Merchant"
"By Force and Violence"
"The River Monarch"
"The Tunnel of Gold"

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 2, 2007 - 6:38 AM   
 By:   Gordon Reeves   (Member)

1. "Palms of Glory".
2. "My Son, My Son".
3. "Boots with My Father's Name" (deftly tying up Pilot strands).
4. "The Odyssey of Jubal Tanner".
5. "The Death Merchant" (marvelous James Whitmore).
6. "Under a Dark Star" (poignant Albert Salmi).
7. "The Murdered Party" (Warren Oates' perf).
8. "Barbary Red" (touching Jill St. John).
9. "Judgment in Heaven" (lovely Lynn Loring).
10. "Last Train to the Fair" (Linda Evans' finale-ending spotlight).

A handful of others could also be added in an exceptionally strong inauguaral season, but honorable mention hasta go to

11. "Hazard" for its roof-raising finale with all three Barkley brothers at their gun-blazing best (that sequence in itself is one of the few classic moments Stanwyck wasn't a part of) ...

 
 Posted:   Sep 2, 2007 - 3:08 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)



Oh, and Zelig, you're also alive-on-target with your assessment of "Jubal Tanner"; it's particularly vexing as it has so many marvelous moments between Stanwyck and Arthur O'Connell (in the title role), especially concerning the frustrating caught-in-the-middle performance of our favorite, Richard Long (the only one in the cast who could match and equal Stanwyck's power, acting authority, depth and distinction).


And because of that horrendous bit of "writing", the wonderful sentiment gone to waste becuase of that hurried ending, which completely destroyed Victoria's motivation.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 2, 2007 - 3:15 PM   
 By:   Gordon Reeves   (Member)

Ah, soooooo.

Formidable frustrations aside, tho, we kinda put it down to the conventions of the time (whereby there was an Unwritten Rule "all episodes must be neatly wrapped up, no matter how much they destroy any of the gracious groundwork laid before").

Sad to say, Big Valley fell victim to that odious decree quite often ...

 
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