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 Posted:   Mar 17, 2009 - 5:28 PM   
 By:   eriknelson   (Member)

A complete INVITATION TO THE DANCE has been one of my holy grails, mainly because I love Previn's "Ring Around the Rosy." I have the LP, but Previn's score is not presented in complete form.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 17, 2009 - 5:32 PM   
 By:   MICHAEL HOMA   (Member)

amazon has the RHINO RE-ISSUE, for sale but its much better than their original release for it has the complete score. around 15 bucks .

 
 Posted:   Mar 17, 2009 - 6:27 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

amazon has the RHINO RE-ISSUE, for sale but its much better than their original release for it has the complete score. around 15 bucks .

To what title are you referring?

 
 Posted:   Mar 17, 2009 - 6:51 PM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

I think he must have meant "Silk Stockings."

He was still typing when your in-between post went up . . . right?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 17, 2009 - 7:11 PM   
 By:   MICHAEL HOMA   (Member)

sorry about that , yes ,SILK STOCKINGS .

 
 Posted:   Apr 7, 2009 - 4:12 AM   
 By:   Guenther K   (Member)

.....Wasn't there a 10" LP issued from this ????.....


Actually a 12" LP.

The Jacques Ibert ballet was on one side, and the Previn "Ring Around the Rosy" (replacing the original Malcolm Arnold score), on the other.

Left off was the ballet adaptation of "Sinbad the Sailor".


(I wonder if the Malcolm Arnold score still exists in Turner/Warner's archive of MGM's music.....)


Apparently the material was kept in Borehamwood until MGM British was sold. Probably skipped?

 
 Posted:   Apr 7, 2009 - 4:50 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

It's been almost five months!

Maybe there was one of those behind the scenes CD label knife fights, and Kritzerland got it, and it's already out.

 
 Posted:   Apr 10, 2009 - 9:59 AM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

Bumpin this one....Lukas never weighed in on whether it was a joke or not.

That may mean that it was...or that it wasn't.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 10, 2009 - 10:36 AM   
 By:   manderley   (Member)

.....Bumpin this one....Lukas never weighed in on whether it was a joke or not.

That may mean that it was...or that it wasn't.....



My partner is signed on to CastrecL, a series of postings that comes directly from its members to your eMail address, and is devoted, primarily, to Broadway Original Cast recordings, with a lesser interest in film musicals.

Several weeks ago one of the members asked about the RHINO release of the "complete" soundtrack to HIGH SOCIETY, which had been announced around the middle of 2008, and a month-or-two later was then "unannounced".

Max Preeo, the former editor of the defunct SHOW MUSIC magazine, is one of the key authorities in this group, and he said recently, in effect that, RHINO had INDEED cancelled the release, BUT, that you were not to worry, there was something happening, but that he could say no more.

Putting two-and-two together, with Lukas' offhand remark, and Preeo's veiled comment, and Lukas' tie to Warner/Rhino and Turner, and the Sinatra estate's allowing of the Rhino boxset of soundtrack performances from the vaults, and Lukas' tight-lipped reaction to this whenever it's been brought up, I can only conclude that Lukas is working on HIGH SOCIETY.

I will personally buy this and ANY releases of musicals available to Lukas and selected from the vaults of MGM, Warner Bros, or RKO.

For any other producers who are interested, I will also buy ANY releases of musicals available to them, selected from the vaults of Columbia, Universal, and Paramount.

And.....Nick Redman, where are the Fox musicals we want to buy? smile

 
 Posted:   Apr 10, 2009 - 5:03 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

Several weeks ago one of the members asked about the RHINO release of the "complete" soundtrack to HIGH SOCIETY, which had been announced around the middle of 2008, and a month-or-two later was then "unannounced".

Max Preeo, the former editor of the defunct SHOW MUSIC magazine, is one of the key authorities in this group, and he said recently, in effect that, RHINO had INDEED cancelled the release, BUT, that you were not to worry, there was something happening, but that he could say no more.

Putting two-and-two together, with Lukas' offhand remark, and Preeo's veiled comment, and Lukas' tie to Warner/Rhino and Turner, and the Sinatra estate's allowing of the Rhino boxset of soundtrack performances from the vaults, and Lukas' tight-lipped reaction to this whenever it's been brought up, I can only conclude that Lukas is working on HIGH SOCIETY.



Last night I dreamed I was keeping a secret from Manderley.

In the cold light of day, I can see that probably isn't possible!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 10, 2009 - 5:13 PM   
 By:   manderley   (Member)

Let's take a time out of this thread to listen to the MGM Studio Orchestra in action and in a "musicals" mood---in CinemaScope and Stereo.....



THE MGM (30TH ANNIVERSARY) JUBILEE OVERTURE.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUeNjAmMt2I&feature=related


THE FIRST REEL OF ROSE MARIE.....
(I always thought the underscoring of this early sequence after the main title was alternately evocative and, later, exciting.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBKHoFHNP9A&feature=related


What do we have to do to talk Lukas into releasing a bit of this kind of material occasionally?

 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2009 - 12:02 AM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

Just for fun, and to keep this thread bumped a while longer, what if the title is something not yet mentioned?

What if it's a score that never got a full soundtrack release but is "classic", nonetheless....along the lines of....ohhhh....











"GUYS and DOLLS"?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2009 - 12:16 AM   
 By:   Jameson281   (Member)

Just for fun, and to keep this thread bumped a while longer, what if the title is something not yet mentioned?

What if it's a score that never got a full soundtrack release but is "classic", nonetheless....along the lines of....ohhhh....

"GUYS and DOLLS"?


Technically, that's not a true MGM musical; it was a Goldwyn production simply distributed by MGM.

 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2009 - 1:27 AM   
 By:   shicorp   (Member)

Just for fun, and to keep this thread bumped a while longer, what if the title is something not yet mentioned?

What if it's a score that never got a full soundtrack release but is "classic", nonetheless....along the lines of....ohhhh....

"GUYS and DOLLS"?


Technically, that's not a true MGM musical; it was a Goldwyn production simply distributed by MGM.


And the tapes seem to be lost...

 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2009 - 6:48 AM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

Just for fun, and to keep this thread bumped a while longer, what if the title is something not yet mentioned?

What if it's a score that never got a full soundtrack release but is "classic", nonetheless....along the lines of....ohhhh....

"GUYS and DOLLS"?


Technically, that's not a true MGM musical; it was a Goldwyn production simply distributed by MGM.


Technically, "Gone With the Wind" was a Selznick production simply distributed by MGM, as well....but MGM certainly takes full credit for it.

It would still be a wonderful release.

And "lost tapes" are often "found."

 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2009 - 9:58 AM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

And "lost tapes" are often "found."


--Spoken as if by someone in the know. Do you . . . "know something"?

Those Sinatra tracks from the film sounded pretty good in the Rhino "Sinatra in Hollywood" set. The treatment of the music in the film is one of the things Goldwyn got indisputably RIGHT, except for the missing songs, of course. --But even some of those found their way into the underscoring . . .

 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2009 - 11:47 AM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

And "lost tapes" are often "found."


--Spoken as if by someone in the know. Do you . . . "know something"?

Those Sinatra tracks from the film sounded pretty good in the Rhino "Sinatra in Hollywood" set. The treatment of the music in the film is one of the things Goldwyn got indisputably RIGHT, except for the missing songs, of course. --But even some of those found their way into the underscoring . . .



Alas....I know NOTH-INK! Just wildly speculating what the "classic" musical might be in a vein other than those already mined.

It's probably "High Society" as our Manderley as guesstulated...

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2009 - 12:37 PM   
 By:   shureman   (Member)

They could STILL issue an expanded SILK STOCKINGS. I purchased the Rhino version specifically for the great track, " Too bad you can't go back to Moscow " and (YUCK !!!) this CD features a much inferior alternate-take. The original apparently no longer exists and they didn't bother to include the music direct from the soundtrack. For me a BIG disappointment !

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2009 - 1:33 PM   
 By:   manderley   (Member)

Regarding GUYS AND DOLLS:

About 10+ years ago someone put out a boot of the film's soundtrack in stereo, taken, of course, from the FILM'S soundtrack, not the music session masters.

Considering its fame, and the fame of its composers, in the history of Hollywood, Samuel Goldwyn Productions has had next to no original soundtrack material released from its films, despite its lauded sound department.

There was the HANS CHRISTIAN ANDERSEN Decca album, which is, essentially, a re-recording; there are the 4 Marlon Brando-Jean Simmons soundtrack selections from GUYS AND DOLLS originally on a Decca 45, there is the Columbia soundtrack album from PORGY AND BESS, and there is Screen Archives' THE BISHOP'S WIFE cd, taken from acetates and music/fx tracks.

In addition to these few, there was a white-covered "promo" lp, with Goldwyn's face embossed very elegantly on it, which featured music from Goldwyn films, and which was produced to promote the release of the Goldwyn films library to TV. I think this may have been made up in the late '60s-early'70s, and the music (all in mono) appears to have been taken from the original session masters. On this there is an edited collection featuring GUYS AND DOLLS, one of HANS CHRISTIAN ANDERSEN, and a grouping of "hit" Goldwyn songs including "My Foolish Heart" and "The Moon of Manakoora".

Otherwise, that's it.

Right next to the Goldwyn/United Artists studio on Santa Monica was a much smaller studio, originally built by Grand National Pictures in the '30s. Later, it became the studios of, successively, PRC Pictures, Eagle-Lion Pictures(US) and Enterprise Studios, and, later, ZIV Television.

Hugo Friedhofer once told me that in the final years of this old Grand National lot, in the '50s-'60s, most of the Goldwyn manuscript scores were dumped/stored there, along with remnants of other departments, including sound.

It was my impression from years ago that the
eventual sale/destruction of the Grand National lot (now a shopping center), and the disastrous fires on the Goldwyn lot at the start of PORGY AND BESS, destroyed much of the archival Goldwyn material.

If there was anything left after these years, successive owners of the Goldwyn library, from the estate, itself, to Sam, Jr., to Metromedia, to MGM/UA, to the current MGM Entertainment, put little or no money into restoring or saving these other materials. I've long suspected that virtually all of the Goldwyn music library has disappeared, other than the music/fx tracks which were saved, and were occasionally trotted out for laser and dvd "extras". But, perhaps Ray Faiola, who did the superb work on the BISHOP'S WIFE cd can give encouraging news otherwise.

I once talked to one of the people in charge of the Goldwyn library in the '70s. I had the complete Vitaphone sound discs for one of Goldwyn's 1928 films---and these were the only copies of the soundtrack known to be in existence anywhere in the world. I offered them the use of the discs to make a copy for their library. They were simply not interested.

Such was the management of this great library after Samuel Goldwyn died. He had poured his own money into all of his pictures, and ALWAYS stood for a quality product, both creatively and technically. He would have been greatly saddened by the way his pictures have been treated since.

There are many wonderful scores in Goldwyn films, from Newman to Friedhofer, to Danny Kaye musicals to Eddie Cantor musicals. It's a real shame we've never had much of this material available to us.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 14, 2009 - 1:44 PM   
 By:   manderley   (Member)

.....It's probably "High Society" as our Manderley as guesstulated.....

Since this lengthy thread has been running for quite some time, I find it fascinating that our Mr. Lukas---who doesn't do "regular" musicals---hasn't weighed-in and said, "FSM doesn't do regular musicals. I'm not working on HIGH SOCIETY."

Don't you find that fascinating too?

(I have my $20 set aside for HIGH SOCIETY, whenever Craig announces it's available at SAE. Do you think it will be FSM 12-12 or 12-15??? And, with a liner notes thanks to Nancy, Tina, and Frank,Jr. Sinatra! smile )

 
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