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Sep 3, 2012 - 8:21 AM
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RoryR
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Credit for the final draft screenplay of PLANET OF THE APES goes much less to Rod Serling, and much more to one of the greatest screen writers ever, Michael Wilson.
This is what the 2003 book, "Blacklisted: The Film Lovers Guide to the Hollywood Blacklist" by Paul Buhle and Dave Wagner, says about Wilson and this movie:
"One of the most popular sci-fi films of all time, PLANET is also a landmark film of the blacklist because screenwriter Wilson, perhaps the most talented Marxist in the history of screenwriting, recast the action film into a powerful satirical allegory of the blacklist itself.
There may have been no more devastating revenge in the fight against the blacklist than the image when Heston, stripped naked before his accusers, watches the orangutans of HUAC cover their eyes, ears and mouth in the ancient image of determined ignorance. Critics and the public did not get the joke in 1968, and so the film became Wilson's literary time capsule, buried deep in the imagery of popular culture, to be excavated in the twenty-first century.
All of this was anticipated, eerily enough, by Bertold Brecht in 1947, when he emerged from his HUAC testimony and remarked to Joseph Losey that his experience was like 'a zoologist being cross-examined by apes.'"
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Sep 4, 2012 - 4:08 PM
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Mike_J
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Beneath is the absolute best. Of the entire series I find the one that started it all the most boring. I didn't see it in the cinema as I'm too young for that but I'm sure that had I seen it there, the ending would have shocked me as little as it did the first time I saw it on TV. It was bloody evident that it all took place on earth. That smoke screen of paralel planet and do I know what didn't throw me off for a moment
I love Beneath - its my second favorite after the first movie. Sure the production values are down but I love the concept of introducing a third race into the apes vs man equation. And the mutant makeup is just superb.
Battle, though is my least liked Apes movie - I can excuse the cheap look of the film but the script is just very weak and almost devoid of plot.
As for the Burton film, two things:
1) the less said about it the better
2) it's Burton, Bonham Carter and Elfman; what more signs do you need to tell you you're watching a turd being squeezed out.
I agree. Hated it on first showing and every time I've seen it since. It just looks so studio-bound. I quite like Burton's films generally but he is NOT an action director nor was he suited to the material. Now, years ago when Jim Cameron was attached to a new Apes movie, that I'd have been enthusiastic about - and though I hate remakes, I could actually have seen Arnie in the Taylor role if that was the direction Cameron had taken. I know I'm biased as I'm such a big Cameron fan but seriously he has always pushed the envelope with his movies and I am convinced his "Apes" movie would have been awesome.
Rise could have been something but when I saw the standard three colour scheme bleached out CGI rubbish I seriously felt insulted. There were the same shitty monkeys from Jumanji only bigger. Since 1995 we haven't come any further than those suck awful pathetic digital cop outs that weren't any were believeable, even when you squint very hard, 16 years ago.
I personally thought Rise was brilliant and a very worthy Apes movie. Some of the FX were poor I grant you - especially with baby Caeser - but overall I thought they were really very good indeed. I also thought overall the entire film worked and whilst I'm against remakes and reboots in general, I can really see how a whole new Apes saga could come off the back of it.
With special effects I still prefer average at best real life effects above the close but no cigar digital shtunk.
Better no eyes:
Than rubbish digital ones:
Pathetic
Aw, come on! Those rubber pull-on masks for the extras in Beneath and Conquest were really awful - looked like trick or treaters had stumbled onto the set during filming. Even the bad CGI in Rise wasn't as dire as those masks.
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Anyone recall the Marvel comic book adaptions of the Apes movies?
I was a big Marvel fan growing up but I always thought the artwork for the strips was a bit sub standard.
Some of the covers, on the other hand, were just staggeringly good.
I used to collect that, along with various other Marvel titles back in the 70s. I had forgotten how good the first cover actually was.
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Sep 4, 2012 - 10:06 PM
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RoryR
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In my previous post about Taylor's ship, I suggested the same full sized prop was also used in Beneath, Escape and the TV pilot.
Since ai posted, I've been looking at clips from each of the above and now I'm not so sure.
In Beneath, Brent's ship is idential to Taylor's except for the United States decals near to the hatch and on the fins So that is certainly the same prop.
But looking at the craft in Escape, this actually looks very different. For a start it is much shorter than Taylor's (even though it is supposed to be his ship) and I'm convinced it is narrower too. I'm trying to work out if the prop used here was just a bastardized version of the one used in the first two movies or if it is a totally differnt prop.
The one in Escape To Tomorrow is without question to the one used in Escape, but looking at the scenes it is featured in, it really does look quite drastically different to Taylor's ship.
So does anyone know the definitive answer to this?
Yeah, they're all the same prop ship. Fox only built one, which was trucked out to Lake Powell, Utah for the original movie, but just before BENEATH was made, the prop was lent out to Warner Bros. for THE ILLUSTRATED MAN, where it was painted completely white. In ESCAPE, the prop was shortened, had a hatch cut in it's roof and had a new nose cone. The prop was unchanged, except for a new paint job, when it appeared in the TV show shot out on the Fox Ranch at Malibu Creek. I believe the prop was then left at the ranch where it rusted out and was sold as scrap when Fox sold the ranch to the state in the late seventies and it became Malibu Creek State Park.
Check out these two websites for damn near everything you'd ever want to know about this studio prop spaceship:
http://www.cloudster.com/Sets&Vehicles/ApesShip/PofA01.html
http://www.goingfaster.com/icarus/background.html
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Does anybody know the difference between the theatrical and extended version on the Battle For the Planet of the Apes Blu Ray?
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