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 Posted:   Jul 8, 2013 - 7:38 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

dan my man, I'll try and not get political either, but if that last line is what I think it is, we both agree. But remember, that's not enough. You can have it the smallest it's ever been, but unless there is a vigilant and informed people watching over them, and those in power are corrupt and not honest brokers, it won't matter. If the people don't care, the people they send up there, won't either.



Zap, couldn't it be that maybe they are just all goat-sucking, ball-less, ungodly dumbasses? ;-)

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2013 - 7:43 PM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

TO ZAP BRANNIGAN-Could be right, But this is true with so many activist and organizations in this world.Making fools believe in causes that will inevitably lead to those fools own destruction. Like so many crooked union bosses.

 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2013 - 2:33 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

I think the WBC is a false front. I think they do not believe any of what they say they believe-- and quite the opposite.

I think "Westboro Baptist" is a false-flag operation intended to smear Christianity, and to dirty up "by association" (where none exists), all opponents of gay political goals.

Think about it: everything WBC says and does, without exception, harms the side they are supposedly closer to and thus helps the gay people whom the "church" claims to hate. Since Westboro Baptist can see this as plain as day, and yet they continue, it follows that this is their intention.


And sometimes, thing are exactly what they appear to be without paranoid agendas being a possibility. Yes, sometimes a group of hate is just a group of hate.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2013 - 9:19 PM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

to ZAP- Well you know how the media is always favoring one side of the political issue, so if they can't dig up some hate group of one side, it is very possible they create one just to keep the fools in America to get upset about semi obsolete issues and ignore the major ones. Par for the course for the stupid media.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2013 - 9:21 PM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

TO MR PULLIAM- What is a group of hate ?

 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2013 - 1:00 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

They just want to provoke and offense to get the most (negative) publicity. I can only laugh at these people as their god intended me to do. Go George Takei! wink

 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2013 - 1:29 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

Guys, it is incredibly naïve to accept the vile things coming out of Westboro as being what they really believe. They are energetically poisoning the public against traditional values by a reductio-ad-absurdum, dirtying-up of those values.

The Westboro stunts and pronouncements are intended to drive us regular people to support the gay community by filling us with disgust for the opposition. It's a "false-flag operation." I believe they are playing fictional characters in real life, and the other word for that is "hoax."

If an advocate never adapts to the monstrous backfiring of his tactics, and he keeps blasting away to the complete detriment of his own supposed goals, then the backfire is what he was going for in the first place. To think anything else is to make the huge mistake of thinking your enemy is so stone-stupid that he can barely dress himself in the morning.

 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2013 - 2:09 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

Guys, it is incredibly naïve to accept the vile things coming out of Westboro as being what they really believe. They are energetically poisoning the public against traditional values by a reductio-ad-absurdum, dirtying-up of those values.

The Westboro stunts and pronouncements are intended to drive us regular people to support the gay community by filling us with disgust for the opposition. It's a "false-flag operation." I believe they are playing fictional characters in real life, and the other word for that is "hoax."


Yes it is a hoax, but one I suspect they themselves choose to believe (as many people who cling on to outrageous beliefs). As to go as far as to say that they are a 'plant' to make the gay community more acceptable, I don't believe that, but you could make the argument for the media that wishes to give airtime and coverage to these people, but as they tend to picket the funerals of US soldiers died in Iraq and now those firefighters, it's clear they want to get as much coverage as possible.

Also, what is the opposition here? Homophobes? Why should gay people be discriminated against and not have the same rights as straight people? I find the whole gay discussion so prevalent in countries like the US and France very antiquated, but it does show that there is still lots of intolerance coming from those who preach 'traditional values', even if those values are unconstitutional. Here in Belgium, same sex marriage has been legal for over a decade and we even have a gay prime minister. Get with it! wink

 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2013 - 2:28 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Also, what is the opposition here? Homophobes? Why should gay people be discriminated against and not have the same rights as straight people?

They do in the United States. The idea that they don't, is a falsehood spread around by, again, certain politcal leaning people and groups.

The Bill of Rights is just for them as it is straight people, women, those of any religious following, and any color of skin.

Last time I checked, what it boils down to is they want to be married and have that legally accepted in the eyes in the state. Marriage is not a right. No more than affordable housing is a right, a guranteed job a right, etc., etc., etc.

Unfortunately I can't go into further detail on the board or else I enter both political and religious discussion.

 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2013 - 3:02 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)


Last time I checked, what it boils down to is they want to be married and have that legally accepted in the eyes in the state. Marriage is not a right. No more than affordable housing is a right, a guranteed job a right, etc., etc., etc.


Than please make for me the argument that gay people should not be privy to marriage? As that is what most opponents rave on about and what the majority of states in the US still deny?

 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2013 - 3:20 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)


Last time I checked, what it boils down to is they want to be married and have that legally accepted in the eyes in the state. Marriage is not a right. No more than affordable housing is a right, a guranteed job a right, etc., etc., etc.


Than please make for me the argument that gay people should not be privy to marriage? As that is what most opponents rave on about and what the majority of states in the US still deny?


I can't, unless you want to carry it to e-mail, otherwise I will flagrantly violate the Community Rules.

 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2013 - 7:51 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)


Than please make for me the argument that gay people should not be privy to marriage? As that is what most opponents rave on about and what the majority of states in the US still deny?


I can't, unless you want to carry it to e-mail, otherwise I will flagrantly violate the Community Rules.

I respect your restraint and I might have gone a bit off topic myself, we'll leave it at that.

 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2013 - 12:13 PM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

But who cares what these mindless fucks believe? It's just the delusions of a diseased man, passed on to successive generations through brainwashing from birth. Nothing new there.

And which "diseased man" should that be?

 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2013 - 1:26 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

TO MR PULLIAM- What is a group of hate ?

The Westboro Baptist Church, MR DANTHEMAN. Every single one of them is a hater and they group together and share their hate with the world.

They protest funerals of anyone on whom they can blame their points-of-hate-filled views about what's wrong with the world.

The solution is simple: If they'd simply protest themselves, perhaps they'd be enlightend that it is they who are the source of their problems.

Hate is its own punishment.

 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2013 - 1:28 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

But who cares what these mindless fucks believe? It's just the delusions of a diseased man, passed on to successive generations through brainwashing from birth. Nothing new there.

And which "diseased man" should that be?


The founder of the Westboro Baptist Church (now sitting, for all I know, in hellfire). He was succeeded as pastor by his daughter, in whom he imbued all his hatred.

 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2013 - 1:30 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)


Last time I checked, what it boils down to is they want to be married and have that legally accepted in the eyes in the state. Marriage is not a right. No more than affordable housing is a right, a guranteed job a right, etc., etc., etc.


Than please make for me the argument that gay people should not be privy to marriage? As that is what most opponents rave on about and what the majority of states in the US still deny?


Marriage is not a right? Says who? In fact, who is anyone to say someone can't get married?

It's not a privilege. If one person can marry, then anyone can marry. That's what a free society is all about.

Marriage is not a convention of religious sects. No clergyman is required to marry anyone -- not man and woman, not woman and woman or not man and man. And none ever will be required to do so. I don't believe anyone is seeking the right to be married in a church when the church clearly does not advocate same-sex marriages.

Marriage in a church is a privilege, yes. But anyone should be able to get married in a civil ceremony and all legal rights should be granted to anyone married that way.

FWIW, Marriage has been around since the first caveman clubbed a cave woman over the head.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2013 - 1:30 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

He was succeeded as pastor by his daughter, in whom he imbued all his hatred.


I didn't know that part. That is truly and profoundly sad on so many levels.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2013 - 6:27 PM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

TO MR PULLIAM-everyone has the right to be fanatical about anything I guess. But in this world we live in where there is so much evil and garbage in the people who are given power it amuses me why you get yourself so upset about a small church who have their own viewpoints on life. the real funny thing is to hear idiots like HOWARD STERN AND HIS MORONIC CREW bantered with them. If you really want someone to take a stand that they are better then another why reach into the sewers.

 
 Posted:   Jul 12, 2013 - 6:21 AM   
 By:   Dyfrynt   (Member)

I'm all for free speech, including a great deal of speech I personally find offensive. But this group is where I draw the line. Because they are abusing that right to free speech.

With the right to free speech comes the responsibility not to abuse that right. This group can spew their venom in a gazillion different venues and I'd be fine with it.

But at the funerals of service men, and now firemen who gave their lives trying to protect others? Grieving families need to put up with this on top of everything else?

No. This is not free speech. It is abuse plain and simple. What about the rights of the victim's families?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 12, 2013 - 8:29 AM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

I find that what this group does to the victims' families is just heinous and horrid. Families already suffer from losing loved ones, and then they have to put up with disgusting cretins chanting hate at funerals.

I must say that I find Zap B's thesis really interesting. I had never considered that possibility. I don't know if it is true, but it is interesting.

 
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