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 Posted:   Jun 4, 2008 - 4:31 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)





to, uh, rescue her from any lasting recriminations.



(Like, ya want unvirtuous vapidness? Try that re
Nah, Ms. Roberts has nothing to be ashamed of (at ALL).



Would we could offer the same complimentary assessment re the lacklustre film itself (John’s thoroughly galvanizing and kinetic score aside) embarrassment


Is that Moore's stand-in?
Looks more like Dana Carvey than Roger M

 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2008 - 11:11 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

Moore should have gone out from the series after "Octopussy". A better film, better women (Can hardly wait for the spotlight, neo!) and he proved in 1983 that he could play Bond better than Connery did in his one-shot return in an inferior movie.

 
 Posted:   Jun 5, 2008 - 1:25 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

Moore should have gone out from the series after "Octopussy". A better film, better women (Can hardly wait for the spotlight, neo!) and he proved in 1983 that he could play Bond better than Connery did in his one-shot return in an inferior movie.

Agreed: Connery and Moore both did one too Bond many. I read somewhere that OCTO out-performed NSNA in nearly every country. But I don't blame Connery for that; I think John Barry "played Bond" better than Michel LeGrand. And a mature Maud Adams was a great match with Moore at that point in their careers.

But even AVTAK has its pleasures. The music score is outstanding, I like Tanya Roberts, and Patrick MacNee gets in a Bond appearance almost 20 years after his co-star Honor Blackman.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 5, 2008 - 7:13 AM   
 By:   Gordon Reeves   (Member)

No Harm - No Foul Department:



REE-lax, Bruce-O (even us Immortals learn Life's too long in its shortness to major in minor misrepresentations). We're not here to peevishly provoke, simply sincerely share.



And yer rite as rain, Zap -



was the more commercially-successful of 1983's so-called Battle of the Bonds (a double 00 bill ne'er to be repeated).



[ Tho, as is his characteristic wont, whatever is seriously awry with NSNA has absolutely ZIP to do with The Great Scot - even considering the fact he had far more influence and "power" behind the scenes than was ever dreamed of, or allowed, under the Broccoli-Saltzman banner. So Jack Schwartzman has been conveniently painted as the all-purpose blaggard of a villain whilst Mr. Perfection Incarnate Connery is the smelling-sweet-as-a-victimized rose Innocent.

In that wise sage Admiral Kirk's woids: "Righhhtttttt".



As for the always-charming, cultivated, unassuming and genuinely humble gentleman that he is, Pat Macnee



was quite tickled when Cubby Broccoli invited him aboard (to make it a full-fledged Avengers Quartet following Ms. Blackman, Rigg and Lumley.



And we wholeheartedly echo both sentiments re Ms. Adams, Eric and Meester Zee:



her second stint was far FAR superior to her first ... wink

 
 Posted:   Jun 5, 2008 - 4:17 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)


But even AVTAK has its pleasures.


Ya know, this is the only Bond film that has NOTHING for me to recommend. Even the equally awful MWTGG had a couple o' good scenes ( info available upon request).

 
 Posted:   Jun 5, 2008 - 4:26 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

Licence To Kill is for me the one Bond film with nothing to recommend (beyond the novelty of David Hedison returning as Leiter).

 
 Posted:   Jun 5, 2008 - 4:31 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Licence To Kill is for me the one Bond film with nothing to recommend (beyond the novelty of David Hedison returning as Leiter).

You are correct of course. I never think of LTK when i think of the Bond films.
Just awful (and un-Bondian)!

bruce

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 5, 2008 - 5:16 PM   
 By:   Gordon Reeves   (Member)

Well, Bond Buds, we gotta differ in disagreement with ya



as - whatever their minimal, medium-size or monumental mishaps - the Bond film hasn't been made we can't find some semblance of artistic admiration or entertaining "Solace" (sorry wink) with ... big grin

 
 Posted:   Jun 5, 2008 - 5:21 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Well, Bond Buds, we gotta differ in disagreement with ya



as - whatever their minimal, medium-size or monumental mishaps - the Bond film hasn't been made we can't find some semblance of artistic admiration or entertaining "Solace" (sorry wink) with ... big grin


even CASINO ROYALE (1967)?

lol!

 
 Posted:   Jun 5, 2008 - 5:46 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

I've never seen the other Casino Royale (the recent one). The original though is fun to look at, even when it isn't being funny (which is most of the time).

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 5, 2008 - 5:55 PM   
 By:   Gordon Reeves   (Member)

even CASINO ROYALE (1967)? lol!

Yep, Lots) o(f) L(ovelies)!

One of our favorite Matt Helm vavavavooms: Daliah Lavi!







And, COME NOW, surely you don’t begrudge us this brain-blastin’ beauty:







and Mr. Bacharach’s score has its attractions, also.



Would we trade any more precious hours watching it again? Notta chance.



Still, in the patented words of one of FSM Assembled’s most illustrious posters:

Next! wink

 
 Posted:   Jun 5, 2008 - 6:16 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)


One of our favorite Matt Helm vavavavooms: Daliah Lavi


Except she committed the unforgivable sin of shortening Nancy Kovack's screentime in the film!! smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 5, 2008 - 6:22 PM   
 By:   Gordon Reeves   (Member)

NOW, SOMEHOW WE JUST KNEW THE KOVACK KLOCK



WAS TICKIN' TILL U CHIMED IN!



big grin

 
 Posted:   Jun 5, 2008 - 6:35 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

For women of the 60s with me, Nancy would rank just behind you-know-who in terms of the "wish they'd been Bond girls" list. smile (I'm looking forward to spotlighting her in the "Burke's Law" thread soon).

 
 Posted:   Jun 5, 2008 - 7:22 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

And you may be right re Ms. Jones' alleged complicity (we're hardly an authority - interested or otherwise - having only been exposed to her via this film) but can you conceivably imagine them trying to pull that kinda scene with



and actually having her AGREE to do it (after raising justifiable unholy hell)? ... eek


Hey, Neo. Here's some more grist for the Venn diagram of our shared and unshared beliefs. smile

I'm not a Halle Berry fan, but she is in a different category than Grace Jones was. Berry is viewed as a soft, feminine type. Anatomy is destiny, nowhere more so than in show business, and Berry's features are softer.

And also, before we go calling EON Productions racially insensitive, let's remember that FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE featured a Gypsy cat fight between two snarling white girls, plus an older Russian woman with a poison-tipped blade in her shoe. And Famke Jannsen's sexuality in GOLDENEYE was as disgusting as anything Jones played with Moore.

(AVTAK Spoilers) I find myself thinking it was plausible to make May Day a bitch in the bedroom because-- look at how she murdered Patrick Macnee in the car wash. This is not a nice girl. Taken out of that context, the racial portrait is ugly, but maybe they were trying to be post-racial and say "The days of treating blacks with kidd gloves are over now because they have their rights and we've all grown up about it, so blacks can be villains too."

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 6, 2008 - 2:39 PM   
 By:   Gordon Reeves   (Member)

Yer points are well-taken, Zee-Mon, tho we'd like to take particularly crystal clear pains to point out we're not accusing EON of being racially-insensitive so much as stereotype-unchallenged.

And they're an equal-opportunity outfit where women are concerned (the gypsy fight, as rightfully cited).

We're simply saying you've NEVER seen anyone of vanilla vintage portrayed that way - Onatopp's over-the-top sexuality was, we'd suggest, key to her character whereas even Berry with her Sharon Stone-ish demeanor in bed with Brosnan still came nowhere near the Jones debacle.

And they'd already made it plain everyone was fair game for arch-villainy way back in LALD which was trumpeted in bold headlines in The New York Times' Arts and Leisure Section via Vincent Canby's article (at the time of its release) with the somewhat astonished headline (or variation thereof): "This Time the Bad Guys are Black!"

So, no, the only color Hollywood readily has absolutely NO problemo with is green ... wink

 
 Posted:   Jun 11, 2008 - 7:15 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

From the Bond girl copy-kitten genre:

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2008 - 7:49 AM   
 By:   Gordon Reeves   (Member)











O, yu



Octo ... wink

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 16, 2008 - 7:57 AM   
 By:   Gordon Reeves   (Member)

Bee-U-ti-full Bond-ing From the Beginning Department:

Tina Hudson's Bianca definitely got the film off to a right tantalizing start -



which then led to the introduction of Michaela Clavell



(whose more famous poppa is also named James)



as the charmingly-titled Penelope Smallbone (ostensibly being slated as the updated “replacement” for the utterly indispensable, always merely-magnificent Mme. Maxwell).



Mind you, Ms. Clavell was certainly cute enuff for her small stint, yet it wasn't entirely surprising she wasn't allowed to reprise as there simply was no anchoring allurement to the character to justify continuation. Still, ya gotta admit: she was quite purty (not Purdey), no? ... smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 25, 2008 - 9:34 AM   
 By:   Gordon Reeves   (Member)

And leave us not forget the lovely,



truly statuesque and striking beauty



of kharismatic Kristina Wayborn as Magda,



Soitenly one of the most sheerly sumptuous maidens ever



(we can’t help recalling images of Garbo at her most glorious) to beautifully



befall Bondage.



And the advent of time's sometimes treacherous tapestry



definitely hasn’t dissipated or abolished



any of her authentic allure ... wink

 
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