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 Posted:   Jan 22, 2013 - 2:59 AM   
 By:   Joe E.   (Member)

Speaking of which, Star Trek 2 TWOK pretends Star Trek The Motion Picture never existed. There are no references to the previous film at all not to mention a redesign of clothing and sets. Also at the end of TMP Kirk got his "chair" back. In the beginning of WOK Kirk obviously had a desk job.

Well... not really, no. It does reuse the refit design of the Enterprise itself (as is only sensible), just not the uniforms. The characters in Trek II may not spend all their time talking about the V'Ger adventure... but then years after the fact, in the middle of another adventure, why would they?

Although it's not exactly clear from the movies themselves, TWoK is supposed to take place over a decade after TMP, which itself takes place just about 2 1/2 years after the five-year mission of the original series.

 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2013 - 5:53 AM   
 By:   Scott M (Oldsmith)   (Member)

What about the Highlander movies?

Highlander was mentioned already by the OP, but it needed to be expanded upon. That was one of those series that even said in the interviews that a prior film didn't happen. When Highlander 3 came out, that was all over the interviews.

Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade seems to totally ignore Temple of Doom. But you know, I don't think things like that count. A number of James Bond films don't reference earlier adventures either. So 007, Star Trek and Indy Jones don't really count because they don't contradict or somehow erase the earlier films. A quick search on the interwebs produced a short list that could be expanded upon.

American Ninja V
Delta Force 3
Beyond the Door II (aka Shock)
Beyond the Door III (aka Amok Train)
Bloodfist III,IV,V,VI,VII,VIII,2050
Cyborg 3
Xtro 2 & 3
Howling II,III,IV,V,VI,New Moon Rising
Mangler 2, Reborn

 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2013 - 6:02 AM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade seems to totally ignore Temple of Doom. But you know, I don't think things like that count.

But Temple of Doom takes place before even Raider of the Lost Ark, so that's okay. That fact does have at least one bizarre consequence, though: a bit of humor in Temple that references the famous gunman scene in Raiders makes less sense as a joke if someone who hasn't seen the films watches them in chronological order.

A number of James Bond films don't reference earlier adventures either.

I deliberately didn't mention James Bond because I feel that that's a special case, for the most part a series of standalone, unconnected adventures in a franchise that have some characters in common and even some recurring characters but little by way of a strong thread of continuity.

I guess I'm more interested in sequels that actively contradict or overwrite previous entries in a franchise than in ones that just passively ignore but don't actively stand against them. There just wasn't room to clarify all that in the thread title!

And thanks for the list of other franchises.

 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2013 - 6:22 AM   
 By:   Buscemi   (Member)

There's the infamous case of Troll 2 having nothing to do with Troll (hell, Troll 2 doesn't even have trolls).

 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2013 - 7:14 AM   
 By:   Charles Thaxton   (Member)

WAR OF THE COLOSSAL BEAST ignores the fact that in THE AMAZING COLOSSAL MAN it was established that Col. Manning had no family. In the sequel, a sister shows up.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2013 - 9:37 AM   
 By:   Nicholas_DW   (Member)

Although it's not exactly clear from the movies themselves, TWoK is supposed to take place over a decade after TMP, which itself takes place just about 2 1/2 years after the five-year mission of the original series.

Never mentioned in the films! Not canon!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2013 - 12:34 PM   
 By:   Michael24   (Member)

American Ninja V

American Ninja V was shot under a (couple) different titles, but at the last minute they slapped the American Ninja title on it just to give it name recognition. Despite starring David Bradley, who was in two of the actual AN sequels, he plays an entirely different character and there is zero story connection to any of the previous films.

(Yes, I'm actually a fan of the American Ninja series, so I know things like this. big grin )

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2013 - 4:32 AM   
 By:   Joe E.   (Member)

Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade seems to totally ignore Temple of Doom. But you know, I don't think things like that count.

But Temple of Doom takes place before even Raider of the Lost Ark, so that's okay. That fact does have at least one bizarre consequence, though: a bit of humor in Temple that references the famous gunman scene in Raiders makes less sense as a joke if someone who hasn't seen the films watches them in chronological order.

A number of James Bond films don't reference earlier adventures either.

I deliberately didn't mention James Bond because I feel that that's a special case, for the most part a series of standalone, unconnected adventures in a franchise that have some characters in common and even some recurring characters but little by way of a strong thread of continuity.

I guess I'm more interested in sequels that actively contradict or overwrite previous entries in a franchise than in ones that just passively ignore but don't actively stand against them. There just wasn't room to clarify all that in the thread title!


That's what I figured. Obviously one can't expect each new movie in an ongoing series to have scenes in which the characters make a point of mentioning each of their previous adventures that we happen to have seen.

Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom isn't obviated or anything by the other Indy productions; it's just that it's a highly self-contained adventure, with fewer direct connections to the rest of the Indy canon. There are, however, subtle references/tie-ins to Temple of Doom in both the TV series The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles / The Adventures of Young Indiana Jones and the movie Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, so one can connect it to Raiders of the Lost Ark and Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade through those, if one really needs to do so.

 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2013 - 12:14 PM   
 By:   DavidinBerkeley   (Member)

The level of detail here is making me dizzy! You fellas know your film history.

The best I can come up with is the mildly off-topic question: Did ALIEN VS. PREDATOR ignore its ancestors?

Or is it not a sequel? Should it be called a "mash up"? A "colloid"?

 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2013 - 1:46 PM   
 By:   Charles Thaxton   (Member)

The level of detail here is making me dizzy! You fellas know your film history.

The best I can come up with is the mildly off-topic question: Did ALIEN VS. PREDATOR ignore its ancestors?

Or is it not a sequel? Should it be called a "mash up"? A "colloid"?


I think they took care to make sure the AVP films fit the continuity of both franchises (remember the Alien skull hanging on the wall in PREDATOR II?) And they're more rightly "prequels" to the ALIEN franchise and semi-sequels to the PREDATOR films.

 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2013 - 2:15 PM   
 By:   DavidinBerkeley   (Member)

(remember the Alien skull hanging on the wall in PREDATOR II?)

Technically...... no.

I never saw any but the 4 Alien features.

 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2013 - 2:25 PM   
 By:   Buscemi   (Member)

Alien and Predator are like Terminator in how strange those continuities are. Alien exists in the Predator universe, the Alien vs. Predator movies linked the two franchises and Predators and Prometheus ignore the Alien vs. Predator movies.

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2013 - 10:27 PM   
 By:   Mr Greg   (Member)

Doesn't The Birds 2 wave one big middle finger to its predecessor too? I can't remember it being a "sequel" as such....although I did turn it off about half way through - just as any self-respecting person would do...

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2013 - 11:04 PM   
 By:   Buscemi   (Member)

I never saw The Birds 2: Land's End but I do know that some listings incorrectly list Marco Beltrami as having scored the film. Beltrami actually was one of the composers of a TV show called Land's End (which aired in syndication one year after the film premiered on Showtime).

Edit: I forgot to list the subtitle of Land's End. The Beltrami bit probably makes more sense now.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2013 - 11:34 PM   
 By:   Michael24   (Member)

The full title is actually The Birds 2: Land's End, so that's likely where the confusion with Beltrami comes from. It even features Tippi Hedren, but playing a completely different character. (And the credited director is "Alan Smithee," but in reality was Rick Rosenthal of Halloween II.)

 
 Posted:   Jan 25, 2013 - 6:49 AM   
 By:   Loren   (Member)

1) that's easy: all the movies belonging to Dollars Trilogy ignore each other (infact you can't find a reason Few Dollars More and GBU can be considered "sequels").

2) Evil Dead II is the true Evil Dead I.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 25, 2013 - 11:42 AM   
 By:   Michael24   (Member)

2) Evil Dead II is the true Evil Dead I.

I used to be confused as to whether Evil Dead 2 was supposed to be a sequel, a remake or what. Then I realized it is really a sequel, it just retcons the first one in the prologue to make it that only Ash and his girlfriend visited the cabin, because they weren't able to use footage from the first film and couldn't afford to bring all the actors back for the recap.

 
 Posted:   Jan 25, 2013 - 1:23 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

1) that's easy: all the movies belonging to Dollars Trilogy ignore each other .....

well if you watch GBU first, they kinda do!
bruce

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 25, 2013 - 4:22 PM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

A number of James Bond films don't reference earlier adventures either.

I deliberately didn't mention James Bond because I feel that that's a special case, for the most part a series of standalone, unconnected adventures in a franchise that have some characters in common and even some recurring characters but little by way of a strong thread of continuity.



I'm not sure I agree. Until the Casino Royale reboot the only real inconsistency in the actual timeline that I can think of was Blofeld's lack of recognition of Bond in OHMSS, having been up close and personal in YOLT.

Of course, you have to suspend disbelief in respect of the changing faces and ages of the core characters. And the regular dumping of the girls post-mission!

TG

 
 Posted:   Jan 25, 2013 - 4:25 PM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

You're probably right. I am by no means an expert in Bond, and may only have the impression I do because I've seen so few of the films.

 
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