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 Posted:   Jun 13, 2013 - 12:51 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

More to the point, I think people are done with that whole "post-9/11 vibe" bullshit, which is something Nolan, the new Spider-Man and the last Star Trek all cashed in on.

.... Man of Steel doesn't even delve in the subject.

A.


so what are we talking about it for ??????!!!!!
smile

Because it is an assumption on behalf of LeHah.

according to EW, SUpe is depicted as a "brooding superhero" ala Bruce Wayne/Batman

 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2013 - 12:55 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)


"It's been 12 years. I lost a friend and an acquaintance in the event. And as that person, I'm saying "move the fuck on". The self-aware fear culture perpetuated by so many vestiges of society need to learn its over. Life goes on and masturbating to tragedy serves nothing but to make you feel anything if you're so emotionally locked up on a regular basis."


"masturbating to tragedy"
well said!
Even better than "wallowing in victimhood" another apt description.
bruce

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2013 - 1:46 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

More to the point, I think people are done with that whole "post-9/11 vibe" bullshit, which is something Nolan, the new Spider-Man and the last Star Trek all cashed in on.

.... Man of Steel doesn't even delve in the subject.

A.


so what are we talking about it for ??????!!!!!
smile


Because it is an assumption on behalf of LeHah.

according to EW, SUpe is depicted as a "brooding superhero" ala Bruce Wayne/Batman

yeah, Bruce, "Brooding Superhero", that was kinda cool in like 1989, when Michael Keaton first put on the Batsuit, or when Peter Weller was Robocop. I mean, Hollywood has been beating this dead horse for well over 20 years now!

 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2013 - 4:39 PM   
 By:   random guy   (Member)

think the point from the lot of you is that movies are meant to be escapism and not bogged down in problems we face in everyday life. I prefer flawed characters in my movies but that's a preference.

and Ebert also gave TDK 4 stars. how that movie is hopeless, depressing and cashing in on 9/11 is beyond me, but to each his own.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 7:12 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

think the point from the lot of you is that movies are meant to be escapism and not bogged down in problems we face in everyday life. I prefer flawed characters in my movies but that's a preference.

and Ebert also gave TDK 4 stars. how that movie is hopeless, depressing and cashing in on 9/11 is beyond me, but to each his own.


Wow, if you did not find that film hopeless and depressing,- uh - can I have some of what you are taking? The point of the discussion was not the Dark Knight was a bad film, yeah I know it was well reviewed. The point is that the time for dark heros and terrorist themes should be over. You really do not think that the Joker in that picture was a terrorist?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 8:36 AM   
 By:   Disco Stu   (Member)



Bottom line, ppl could be burnt out on "dark".


Oh man I sure hope so. I'm sick and tired of "damaged" heroes and dark, moody scenarios. I yearn for some fun, upbeat movies with heroes you can root for and where you leave the cinema feeling good to be alive.



1) NO MORE motor cycle suits! I hated that when it still had to become a trend but now almost every super hero gets his uniform from the leather bar or the rubber club.
2) No redesigning. The design was established by the comic book. I don't need some nifty "realistic" industrial designed suit. The design are curtsy of DC and Marvel (and even they have to knock it off with revamping), not Pininfarina or the MIT.
2B) Remove your pens before you wash your costume. Clark Kent is the latest issue to forget taking his writing gear out of the laundry sack, ending up with dark ink smoking down his suit. A dark suit for a dark mood? Any more "subtle" imagery?
3) Someone please open a window or use some of the revenue to buy some bulbs and get some light in the joint. Satan's sausage, LED lights are cheaper than ever, and they are still in dark corners and shaded rooms. Oh and while we're at it: shoot anyone who dares to bring in yellowish or green light. That's for 4 rate 5th class horror crap.
4) A general one: GET SOME GODDAMNED COLOUR!! This two tone piss was a stinker when it came fresh out of the bladder!

D.S.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 10:39 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)



Bottom line, ppl could be burnt out on "dark".


Oh man I sure hope so. I'm sick and tired of "damaged" heroes and dark, moody scenarios. I yearn for some fun, upbeat movies with heroes you can root for and where you leave the cinema feeling good to be alive.




4) A general one: GET SOME GODDAMNED COLOUR!! This two tone piss was a stinker when it came fresh out of the bladder!

D.S.


I liked your points, especially the effort to make these dumb movies for sophisticated by making them gray in palette. I wish someone would tell me why San Francisco is devoid of color in the city shots in ST-ID, because that is really weird, I mean the rest of the film is in color. MOS also has a gray cast, desaturated and dull.

 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 11:37 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)



Bottom line, ppl could be burnt out on "dark".


Oh man I sure hope so. I'm sick and tired of "damaged" heroes and dark, moody scenarios. I yearn for some fun, upbeat movies with heroes you can root for and where you leave the cinema feeling good to be alive.




4) A general one: GET SOME GODDAMNED COLOUR!! This two tone piss was a stinker when it came fresh out of the bladder!

D.S.


I liked your points, especially the effort to make these dumb movies for sophisticated by making them gray in palette. I wish someone would tell me why San Francisco is devoid of color in the city shots in ST-ID, because that is really weird, I mean the rest of the film is in color. MOS also has a gray cast, desaturated and dull.


I was watching ST2 TWOK last weekend and marveled at how beautiful the film was "in color".
Kirks apartment, outside the bridge simulator room, Space Lab Regula 1, the Mutara Nebula.
The film is just bursting with interesting use of color.

A simple color palette can work. Raiders Of The Lost Ark, sort of had a monotone palette, but it never looked dark, grey, or over saturated.

 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 12:03 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

I'm back from watching this... movie.

2/3rds of the film is the 2009 Star Trek film. The rest is the memorable reveals or climaxes from Independence Day, The Matrix, The Matrix Revolutions, Avengers, Superman from '78 and Superman Returns. It suffers from all the same issues Skyfall does, in that all it is is a reaction to the previous installment and going the opposite direction and swipes a bunch of ideas along the way. An obvious example is Zod's obsession with purpose mirroring Agent Smith's in the Matrix sequels down to the final battle in a ditch where he screams about it before the hero kills him. And the whole final battle in the city, down to the dramatic zoom in as they run at each other.

I am incredibly - almost to the point of being overwhelmed - upset over the fact that as Metropolis explodes in a veritable orgy of death and endlessly falling buildings borrowed from Inception that Superman concentrates on fighting stupid liquid metal robot arms and yet another villain who only emotes with his mouth... instead of *saving people*. That alone speaks volumes about how much they don't understand what they're doing here: instead of standing for the people of the city, he helps demolish it in a one on one slugfest that culminates in breaking a moral code.

I felt abused and put down half way through, the finale battle was hopelessly angry and without reasoning. All of it was just a depressing, hopeless mess. I kid you not when I say I felt relief walking out of the theater and an immense swell of depression. I feel sick.

I was never huge into the Donner movies and actually don't like the humor in them but I think they got a lot of other things right. Like the tone for the town of Smallville or Chris Reeves's almost Shakespearian intonations of how a hero talks. All those little things that they got right in tone are what they purposely avoided in this film and that's like tossing the baby with the bath water.

I yearn for the age of Die Another Day or Highlander: Endgame, where when I was going to a bad movie, I could at least laugh through it.

I need a nap.

 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 1:27 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

This might be this year's ALICE IN WONDERLAND.
Big budget, cgi spectacular that gets terrible reviews and does great box-office
and
is VERY entertaining !
brm

 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2013 - 1:34 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

From the comments of fans who saw this, i might be right!

 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2013 - 3:57 PM   
 By:   The REAL BJBien   (Member)

Can someone explain this :

What is the point of Clark working as a cook and as a fisher man during the introduction of the movie...what as the purpose? Why did he leave town? What was he searching for? I mean really think about it because unless he was "testing" himself in a "let me help others but avoid some attention only to you know...NOT" it makes no sense from a logical point. Was it training?

It also makes it all the more silly that he "happens" to stumble onto listening to those soldiers talk about something that leads him to a Kryptonian ship and this again leads me to ask...how did he fake all the paper work properly to fool the US GOVERNMENT? Who did he trust?

I also didn't like the jumps in ages and felt like each flashback was just really an excuse for a monologue and I liked the Costner scenes mind you.

Now here is another thing that makes no sense... why did Jonathan have to die in order to teach Clark a lesson and what exactly was that lesson? The some people HAVE TO DIE? The world isn't ready to see his true powers and abilities? That you can't save everyone and must let some die in order to keep your secret safe?

 
 Posted:   Jun 16, 2013 - 9:02 AM   
 By:   TominAtl   (Member)

Well, after enduring a long, drawn out dread of how Jack Snyders/Christopher Nolan's reboot of Superman was going to be, I will say up right up front that overall it's not a bad film by any stretch of the imagination. That is not to say though it's up to the level of "Iron Man", or "The Dark Knight". While entertaining, it does make one yearn for it to be "more".

When I heard that Jack Snyder was tapped to direct Man of Steel my first reaction one of "what were they thinking?", which was pretty much my thinking when Howard Shore was hired to score LOTR. However, Shore's contribution and artistry was a stroke of genius and helped to make the series as critically and financially successful as it became. I still do not understand the logic in bringing on Snyder who was and is still a relatively unknown quantity. "Dawn of the Dead" was one of the best horror remakes ever and "300" was a successful but superfluous nonsense. "Watchmen" and "Sucker Punch" were dreary, morose and boring pieces of eye candy. "Legend of the Guardians" was again a beautiful to look at animation and was watchable but was still heavy handed and a bit too serious and a bit violent for younger views.

I will get what I did not like out of the way first, starting with the primary use of hand held cameras. For this kind of movie, it was unnecessary and a bit distracting. While it didn't ruin the movie, that along with the high grain in the film stock gave it a more of a cheap feel to it at times. Second, the color palette was too monochrome blue, though not overly saturated thank God. The score is also a missed opportunity and is highly repetitive as hear in the film, particularly the final 3rd. There is no strong melody but more of a motif or theme, however it is certainly not memorable until you've heard it repeated only God knows how many times. Then there is the structure of the film in the form of flashbacks, which for me takes away from an overall emotional punch that could have been much more focused than it became. And lastly, surprisingly, the effects were at times disappointing. I know it is hard to try and show superhero's move blazingly fast and Snyder employed the "Battlestar Galactica" trick of docu style focus on movie objects. That works for non combat scenes but the blurs of fast moving men and women looks cheap. The destruction of buildings and being thrown through towers and businesses all became tiresome and tedious during the last 3rd of the movie. It just goes and goes and goes, like the Energizer Bunny Rabbit. There is almost no end to the mayhem. In other words, the pacing is off for the movie, with the 1st half the strongest and the last half, the so called Pay Off, is the weakest.

Now for the good: Cavill is great as Clark Kent/Superman. The man got his acting chops from starring in several TV shows and films, including the excellent Showtime series "The Tudors". Not to mention he is his one of the best looking men working in movies today. He does add gravitas to the role of Clark, one who feels out of place in this world and is a bit lost. In fact the whole cast is quite good but in particular to me was Kevin Costner playing Jonathan Kent, his earthly father. He keeps telling the Clark he will know when the time is right to reveal himself but constantly had to remind him to keep his "secret" under wraps while growing up. The world is not ready for him yet. He is also involved in the most emotional part of the film, when during a ravaging tornado Jonathon rescues the family dog trapped in their car while on the highway and knows he cannot make back to the overpass in time for safety. Clark is about to run out and save him but Jonathan holds up his hand to keep him back lest he reveals himself to the huddling crowd around, knowing it still wasn't time yet to do so. It really packs an emotional wallop, one that I haven't experienced from a Superman film since Christopher Reeve screams in agony when he didn't make it back in time to save Lois Lane in "Superman: The Movie".

I also liked the way writers David S Goyer and Nolan do not have Clark start out in the world as a reporter at the beginning of the film and how they slyly changed the relationship between Lois Lane, (nicely realized and not overly plucky) and Clark. And I really enjoyed the prologue on Krypton, setting us up for the motivation of General Zod. He is not psychotic(at least at the beginning) but has real reason behind his methods. No he is not a nice man but he is more 3 dimensional than say Terrance Stamps version(which I still love by the way) which was pretty much megalomania.

So given all the hype and hoopla it does fall short of expectations but it is not a bad film. The previews do make it seem a more emotionally involving film but the structure belies that and trips itself up by chopping it up in flashback mode. The first half is much stronger during this time than the noisy, balls to the wall action fest the last half or 3rd fall into. The score is also a disappointment, thematically week and too repetitive near the end, sounding more like noise and thunder than an exciting film score. And it's a shame that much of the mayhem doesn't have an authentic feel to it, even with the use of hand held cameras. "Transformers" showed us how amazingly real CGI can look given the right hands. But "Transformers" were stupid, insipid films, devoid of thought or story. At least "Man of Steel" has its heart in the right place, and it would have been a classic if it only were in the right directors hands.

7/10

 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2013 - 12:33 AM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

. . . but Beatty's Dick Tracy does not have a long legacy of entertaining. It was reviled upon its release and even the current cult for it hardly classifies a revision of its subject matter. . . It's a fun film to maybe you and me but a general audience will not find anything to like within its contents.


This happens to be incorrect. You can certainly revile it if you want, and you may know others who also revile it, but the fact is "Dick Tracy" was a bonafide critical darling. The Touchstone marketing people were proudly touting its positive reviews and posters offered an address to which you could send away for photocopies of the many positive write-ups. I sent away for them (hey, it was free), and I can't remember any other comics-inspired movie offering something like this. John Hughes' "Miracle on 34th Street" remake offered a money-back guarantee if you didn't like the film, and you mailed in your ticket stub, but that's the closest I can remember. Am I forgetting other examples?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2013 - 2:27 AM   
 By:   zooba   (Member)

****WARNING**** POSSIBLE SPOILERS!

They lost me when Russell Jor-el Crowe jumped on the giant Dragonfly or whatever it was and started flying around Krypton. I guess Pandora is one of the moons of Krypton? Zimmer's score? No Theme. I guess he didn't even want to try one. Just droning on and on. The Clark with Jesus beard and all the Jesus Parallels and Superman falling, arms stretched out crucified style got to be a little too much. I guess I'm getting old. It was too damned noisy and loud. The Superman / Zod battles got tiring after the first 2 minutes. I did enjoy the Penis Rockets that took Zod and the Not Ursa to the Phantom Zone! Were the diminutive gals, the 4 foot military gal that looked like a 8 year old boy and the wimpy gal at the Daily Planet supposed to make Amy Adams seem stronger? Meh.

What do you expect from me anyway? Not a Dark Knight Batman fan at all.

 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2013 - 2:41 AM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

****WARNING**** POSSIBLE SPOILERS!

They lost me when Russell Jor-el Crowe jumped on the giant Dragonfly or whatever it was and started flying around Krypton. I guess Pandora is one of the moons of Krypton? Zimmer's score? No Theme. I guess he didn't even want to try one. Just droning on and on. The Clark with Jesus beard and all the Jesus Parallels and Superman falling, arms stretched out crucified style got to be a little too much.



Is that a Jesus beard . . .



. . . Or a Snyder beard?

I'm glad someone else noticed the penis rockets -- thought it was just me.

 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2013 - 3:04 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

. . . but Beatty's Dick Tracy does not have a long legacy of entertaining. It was reviled upon its release and even the current cult for it hardly classifies a revision of its subject matter. . . It's a fun film to maybe you and me but a general audience will not find anything to like within its contents.


This happens to be incorrect. You can certainly revile it if you want, and you may know others who also revile it, but the fact is "Dick Tracy" was a bonafide critical darling. The Touchstone marketing people were proudly touting its positive reviews and posters offered an address to which you could send away for photocopies of the many positive write-ups. I sent away for them (hey, it was free), and I can't remember any other comics-inspired movie offering something like this. John Hughes' "Miracle on 34th Street" remake offered a money-back guarantee if you didn't like the film, and you mailed in your ticket stub, but that's the closest I can remember. Am I forgetting other examples?


If you paid attention to my post, you'd notice that I don't make mention of my opinion of the film (which I think is a nice movie, but relies too heavily on deliberate camp) but I do say, and I quote: "It's a fun film to maybe you and me..." so thusly it must be a head full of rocks to call me out for reviling a movie which I certainly don't nor do I make a claim to.

Also, this post-release marketing gimmick to receive "photocopies of the many positive write-ups" sounds absurd! Where can I find information on this non-sense?

 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2013 - 3:06 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

I'm glad someone else noticed the penis rockets -- thought it was just me.

The penis rockets were a blast (pun intended)! I told a friend after we saw the film, "Finally! I get to see what Alejandro Jodorowsky's Dune would've been like." Snyder is one of the best visual stylists since Ridley Scott's early days and I love seeing his influence of Metal Hurlant up on the screen. Great, subversive stuff for mainstream Hollywood attempting to appeal to you mad lot.

 
 Posted:   Jun 17, 2013 - 3:52 PM   
 By:   Charles Thaxton   (Member)

I wanna know which film has a higher body count....MAN OF STEEL, the last TRANSFORMERS, THE AVENGERS, STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS, GREEN LANTERN...I mean I have never seen so many buildings knocked over or vaporized.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 18, 2013 - 8:18 AM   
 By:   nipotente   (Member)

I wanna know which film has a higher body count....MAN OF STEEL, the last TRANSFORMERS, THE AVENGERS, STAR TREK INTO DARKNESS, GREEN LANTERN...I mean I have never seen so many buildings knocked over or vaporized.

I think the same thing. Each time Superman or Zod crash through a building it becomes a 911 disaster. Like it's nothing. People's lives. Brando's Jor-el was totally wrong. IT IS A FANTASY.

So much death and destruction.

Baz Lurhman should direct a SUPERMAN film. At least there might be some singing and dancing.

 
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