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 Posted:   Feb 12, 2008 - 12:20 AM   
 By:   JSWalsh   (Member)

Neal Adams and Tom Palmer on the Kree-Skrull War, with maybe a fill-in issue or two with John Buscema and Tom Palmer.

Great artwork on the Kree-Skrull War...



Neal Adams, correct, thank you.

I still have a battered copy of the Avengers ish I described--I couldn't belive the quality of the artwork. It belonged to the older brother of a friend, and he just casually gave it to me.

Same way I got X-Men 94 or whatever ish was the first of the new X-Men.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 12, 2008 - 3:49 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I was a big comic book fan as a kid, but never that much into Marvel, which this thread is about. To see some of my own favourite artists and comics, though, check out this earlier, more general comic book thread:

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=14435&forumID=7&archive=1

And also this thread that was specifically about our favourite cartoonists/illustrators:

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=42132&forumID=7&archive=0

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 12, 2008 - 10:17 AM   
 By:   Timmer   (Member)

I was a big comic book fan as a kid, but never that much into Marvel, which this thread is about. To see some of my own favourite artists and comics, though, check out this earlier, more general comic book thread:

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=14435&forumID=7&archive=1

And also this thread that was specifically about our favourite cartoonists/illustrators:

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=42132&forumID=7&archive=0



Looking back over those.

Boy do I repeat myself or what!?eek

 
 Posted:   Feb 12, 2008 - 10:46 AM   
 By:   Scott M (Oldsmith)   (Member)

I loved the early Marvel Age, but over time I noticed something interesting about Kirby's work. He depended a great deal on his inkers. I wonder how much work he actually put into the books during the 60's, since he was penciling the majority of them. But if you check out his art in the Fantastic Four run, you can see that his work when inked by Dick Ayers looks very much like Dick Ayers own style. When Paul Reinman did it, Kirby's art looked like crap. Those few times Steve Ditko inked Kirby's work, it really looked nothing like Kirby.

So, I really do wonder how much of this stuff was actually Jack.

 
 Posted:   Feb 12, 2008 - 11:03 AM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

I loved the early Marvel Age, but over time I noticed something interesting about Kirby's work. He depended a great deal on his inkers. I wonder how much work he actually put into the books during the 60's, since he was penciling the majority of them. But if you check out his art in the Fantastic Four run, you can see that his work when inked by Dick Ayers looks very much like Dick Ayers own style. When Paul Reinman did it, Kirby's art looked like crap. Those few times Steve Ditko inked Kirby's work, it really looked nothing like Kirby.

So, I really do wonder how much of this stuff was actually Jack.


When Vince Colletta inked Kirby, he watered down the power of his strong lines- When Colletta inked ANYBODY he did that, almost ruining it. Something of a hack. I understand he farmed out a lot of the pages he inked to his wife and family to work on... Kirby looked great inked by Joe Sinnott.

As to all these sixties and seventies Marvels, I had them all. Back issues from 1968 up, off the newsstand new when I bought them from 1969- 1975.

 
 Posted:   Feb 12, 2008 - 11:18 AM   
 By:   MikeJ   (Member)

I agree with you on the superhero comics. He helped kill some great artwork. But... the romance comics I've seen from Colletta looked much better. Go figure.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 12, 2008 - 11:30 AM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

Kirby's pencils were pretty good, if you've seen any reproduced in the Jack Kirby Collector, they're good and pretty finished, but I can see how different inkers might bring out different things in his work.

There was a great Marvel Treasury book, Captain America's Bicentennial Battles, that had a number of Kirby pages inked by Barry Smith, they were stunning.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 12, 2008 - 12:32 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Looking back over those.

Boy do I repeat myself or what!?eek


Yeah, but then again...who doesn't around here (including me)?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 12, 2008 - 2:51 PM   
 By:   crazyunclerolo   (Member)

I loved the early Marvel Age, but over time I noticed something interesting about Kirby's work. He depended a great deal on his inkers. I wonder how much work he actually put into the books during the 60's, since he was penciling the majority of them. But if you check out his art in the Fantastic Four run, you can see that his work when inked by Dick Ayers looks very much like Dick Ayers own style. When Paul Reinman did it, Kirby's art looked like crap. Those few times Steve Ditko inked Kirby's work, it really looked nothing like Kirby.

So, I really do wonder how much of this stuff was actually Jack.


You're dead wrong about Kirby's pencils. Tons of them still exist from all throughout the sixties and seventies, and they're always tight and detailed, except when his credit is for layouts only. He didn't so much depend on his inkers as he was butchered by some of them. Someone mentioned the excellent magazine THE JACK KIRBY COLLECTOR, where you can see examples of this firsthand. Colletta would routinely LEAVE OUT background characters and details, then erase the pencil lines Jack had drawn! Kirby didn't concern himself much with the inking on his work, so focused was he on his prodigious output.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 12, 2008 - 2:55 PM   
 By:   neotrinity   (Member)

Talking about MAJOR PET PEEVES Department:

When Vince Colletta inked (nay, for us, profoundly ruined) Kirby's majestic pencils,



it useta drive us absolutely, totally NUTS!

Whatever the reasons Stan assigned him for, the end result always, Always, ALWAYS seemed to drain the pageantry (if not quite the unmatchable power) of The King's pencils.

After awhile, you kinda got used to it (Tales of Asgard, for instance,).

Different inkers naturally provided their own artistic personality (Reinman's were listless, Ayers perfectly credible, Barry Smith's added a wholly different style).

Our favorite of all Jack's inkers were Chic Stone



and, of course, the unparalleled Joe Sinnott!!!!!!!



Oh, and the Kree-Skull War IS one of those All-Time Highlights, too ...

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 12, 2008 - 3:10 PM   
 By:   neotrinity   (Member)

Another Ace Marvel Creative Couple:



and one of our All-Tyme Favorite Artists:



 
 Posted:   Feb 12, 2008 - 3:25 PM   
 By:   MikeJ   (Member)

I was gonna go there.... but ya beat me to it.

One of my favorite runs on a comic book of all time...

Doug Moench and Paul Gulacy created some real magic here. And while Dan Adkins (also Steranko's collaborator) made Gulacy look great, there are a handful of issues where Gulacy inked himself and the result is electrifying, like watching a movie.

One of these issues, I think it's #40, has an amazing fight sequence between Shang Chi and Shen Kuei, the Cat.

 
 Posted:   Feb 12, 2008 - 4:42 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

Damn, this thread took off like a Tijuana hooker with a sack-full of the cash I brought to buy prescription medicine for my "illness"!

Just when I think I have you, neotrinity, you pull the rug out from under my toe-less feet.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 12, 2008 - 5:16 PM   
 By:   crazyunclerolo   (Member)

I'm with you all the way on MASTER OF KUNG FU, Mike! Where the hell is our Marvel Masterworks reprint of that classic stuff???

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 12, 2008 - 5:16 PM   
 By:   crazyunclerolo   (Member)

On a sad note, one of the great Marvel writers died this week. Steve Gerber, creator of HOWARD THE DUCK and writer on MAN-THING, succumbed to a longterm illness. He was only 60.

 
 Posted:   Feb 12, 2008 - 5:22 PM   
 By:   MikeJ   (Member)

Oh, no... I hadn't heard this news yet.

frown

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2008 - 1:48 PM   
 By:   neotrinity   (Member)

Unc, your particular brand of "craziness" has a sensational sanity to it. Thanks considerably for alerting us to the sad news (tho we'd been monitoring his website - now being shephered by long-time comics legend Mark Evanier at stevegerber.com at the Gerblog).

One can backtrack to get a first-hand account of his illness and valiant battle to overcome odds even his courage couldn't conquer.

We'd intended to pay transcendent tribute to him shortly but this news means a faster remembrance (with more to come).

Of all the writers who've come through the majesty that was Marvel, Stan is arguably the firstest with the mostest via his personality and the way his wizardry with words created an excitement previously never tapped with such enthusiasm, authority and acclaim.

But STEVE GERBER



is far and away our All-Tyme FAVORITE and MOST INFLUENTIAL comics author for us both personally and, above all, professionally.









Farewell, Sir Steve. You're no longer trapped in a world you never made but your incredible imagination, astounding compassion, wonderful weirdness, insightful satire and incendiary intelligence will ne'er be forgotten.





DAMNDAMNDAMNDAMNDAMNDAMNDAMN ... frown

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2008 - 1:59 PM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

I was gonna go there.... but ya beat me to it.

One of my favorite runs on a comic book of all time...

Doug Moench and Paul Gulacy created some real magic here. And while Dan Adkins (also Steranko's collaborator) made Gulacy look great, there are a handful of issues where Gulacy inked himself and the result is electrifying, like watching a movie.

One of these issues, I think it's #40, has an amazing fight sequence between Shang Chi and Shen Kuei, the Cat.


Oh HELL YEAH...damn I can remember being so eager for the next issue to come out, just lapping it up. YES that brillaint run needs a reprint, it seems it would be a no-brainer to get this back in print !!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2008 - 2:08 PM   
 By:   neotrinity   (Member)

When Titans Collaborate Department:

Steve G. and Jack

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2008 - 2:47 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I just watched THE HULK again on TV, and it made me wonder:

Has The Hulk ever faced up to Mr. Hyde in one of the Marvel comics? It would make sense, since they're both quite similar.

 
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