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 Posted:   Feb 13, 2008 - 3:54 PM   
 By:   crazyunclerolo   (Member)

Neo--
Nice tribute to Gerber. And your post also features the most unwittingly funny comic book title of all time: GIANT-SIZE MAN-THING!

 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2008 - 3:59 PM   
 By:   MikeJ   (Member)

Who knows Fear....

B U R N S

at the Man-Thing's touch!!

smile

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2008 - 4:20 PM   
 By:   crazyunclerolo   (Member)

Who knows Fear....

B U R N S

at the Man-Thing's touch!!

smile


Ha! Yeah, he should really have that looked at!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2008 - 5:06 PM   
 By:   Bob Oblong   (Member)

And your post also features the most unwittingly funny comic book title of all time: GIANT-SIZE MAN-THING!

Until it was pointed out, the suggestiveness of that title never occurred to me.

HOWARD THE DUCK had one of the best runs of Marvel issues; I still have them all, and they still read as if they were written yesterday.

On eBay, I recently picked up another run of my all-time favorite comic books, which had been callously discarded by the 'rents when I was off in college...Marvel's JOHN CARTER, WARLORD OF MARS. Damn, I loved this book...!

 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2008 - 5:40 PM   
 By:   MikeJ   (Member)

I did not come to Marvel's JOHN CARTER series til the 90's, despite being an avid comics reader for a long time.

IMO, it starts out really strong, with the awesome Gil Kane/Rudy Nebres artwork and by the end of the run, the art being produced by Mike Vosburg and... Ric Villamonte was looking pretty dismal.

The writing started out strong with, I want to say Marv Wolfman writing, and you could tell he really loved playing with the characters and then Chris Claremont took over and also wrote some great stories (he wrote an awesome Dejah Thoris) but then the book just takes a big dump towards the end of the run, like they knew they were being cancelled and just phoned it in, art and story.

But those Gil Kane/Rudy Nebres pencils were AWESOME...

I actually haven't looked at these comics in... 5 or 6 years. They are tucked away in storage and I miss 'em.

frown

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2008 - 7:20 PM   
 By:   Timmer   (Member)

I just watched THE HULK again on TV, and it made me wonder:

Has The Hulk ever faced up to Mr. Hyde in one of the Marvel comics? It would make sense, since they're both quite similar.


Yes they did, but I can't remember any more details?

 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2008 - 7:54 PM   
 By:   Scott M (Oldsmith)   (Member)


You're dead wrong about Kirby's pencils.


Not really, if you see where I'm coming from. Look at the first issue where the FF meets the Red Ghost. It's Kirby inked by Ditko and it looks more like Ditko than Kirby. Same with Dick Ayers' stuff.

Maybe I should rephrase in that how much of the finished artwork reflects what Kirby did and how much did any specific inker have to do with it? Kirby could have detailed a pic within an inch of its life only to have an inker change the impact by imposing his own style. All you have to do is compare an inker's inking to the same inker's pencils and you can see it. Dick Ayers, however, has a fraction of the talent Kirby had.

S

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 13, 2008 - 10:47 PM   
 By:   crazyunclerolo   (Member)

I noticed something interesting about Kirby's work. He depended a great deal on his inkers. I wonder how much work he actually put into the books during the 60's, since he was penciling the majority of them.


These are the statements to which I was referring when I said you were dead wrong. Kirby didn't depend on his inkers at all--he paid very little attention to who was inking his work, and the differences in various issues simply depended on the changes made out of laziness or because of an inker's strong personal style. And when you raised the question of whether Kirby was putting less into his work because of his tremendous output, the answer was a definitive "no."

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 14, 2008 - 2:53 PM   
 By:   neotrinity   (Member)

Who knows Fear ...

B U R N S

at the Man-Thing's touch!!




Always WUVVVED that phrase, Mike-O!

As to that, anyone else richly recall one of Gerber's



most inspired, truly subversive creations from The Defenders ... wink

 
 Posted:   Feb 14, 2008 - 3:00 PM   
 By:   MikeJ   (Member)

Subversive is the absolute best way to describe the Elves in the Defenders and I'd say Howard was pretty subversive as well.

I'm amazed that Gerber was not only able to get the Elf thing past Editorial but keep it going in the book and, if I'm not mistaken, never really resolved things. I think he was off the book before he could tie it up.

Who needs Scourge? You want to get rid of some dead weight in your books, bring back the Elf...

wink

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2008 - 10:43 AM   
 By:   neotrinity   (Member)

And then we've gotta include Marvel's Greatest Battles, starting with the One That Started It All (JaSe, behave yerself!):



and it's fantastic follow-up:



HOO-ha ... wink

 
 Posted:   Feb 16, 2008 - 12:15 PM   
 By:   MikeJ   (Member)

What this thread needs is an appearance from...

GORMUUUUUUUUU, the THING that WALKED like a MAN!!!




[cue Frankie Valli song]

wink

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 17, 2008 - 10:08 AM   
 By:   neotrinity   (Member)

Ye gads, we knew SOMETHIN' was missin' ...

 
 Posted:   Feb 17, 2008 - 11:33 AM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

And then we've gotta include Marvel's Greatest Battles, starting with the One That Started It All (JaSe, behave yerself!):



and it's fantastic follow-up:



HOO-ha ... wink



I bought both of these off the stands at Skillern's Drug Store here in Dallas in Nineteen Hundred and Sixty-four! I was in second grade.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 17, 2008 - 2:43 PM   
 By:   neotrinity   (Member)

Ah, Steven Old Son, if only we BOTH hadda held onta those imperishable issues in their pristine prime, we could've bought our own chateaus whereever we wanted a lonnnnnggggg time ago ... smile

 
 Posted:   Feb 17, 2008 - 5:52 PM   
 By:   Scott M (Oldsmith)   (Member)

Kirby didn't depend on his inkers at all--he paid very little attention to who was inking his work, and the differences in various issues simply depended on the changes made out of laziness or because of an inker's strong personal style.


Okay, actually this is probably the answer I was looking for. Thanks. Sorry for the mix-up on my part.

It just seems weird that some inkers' styles made such an impact on Jack's finished artwork. I find the Vince Coletta inked stuff to be hideous to the point of damaging the artistry of Kirby's illustrations, and Chic Stone, while much better, made it a little more over the top. However, Kirby's style exploded with the support of Joe Sinnott. THAT'S the Kirby art I like best. They made a great team.


And when you raised the question of whether Kirby was putting less into his work because of his tremendous output, the answer was a definitive "no."


His later work in the 70's got really weird. HUGE, craggy faces, swollen hands, limbs splayed in every direction. Lots of energy, but it began to seem out of place in the more "realistic" times of the era.

 
 Posted:   Feb 17, 2008 - 6:09 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

Would somebody be so kind as to post some illo's from his return to DC? You know, that JIMMY OLSEN/NEW GODS/FOURTH WORLD era?

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 17, 2008 - 9:39 PM   
 By:   JSWalsh   (Member)

Wow, Gerber dead. Damn.

This thread's bringing up a lot of non-Kirby/Lee memories.

Marvel comics were my biggest source of reading pleasure for a few years, and the ones which I seem to recall lately are the ones that befuddled me as well as the moody ones (more on that later, maybe).

Gerber, I believe, was the writer on a string of DEFENDERS. That has to go down as one of the weirdest superhero books from Marvel--Gerber took the Lee/Kirby/FF "Just regular Joe's and Jane's" idea and brought it up to THE ICE STORM levels of perversity. THE DEFENDERS were the most dysfunctional bunch of comic book heroes ever.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2008 - 6:20 AM   
 By:   neotrinity   (Member)

Now for our Loonie, the artist who came closest to approximating (but never nearing, let alone equaling) Jack's throne is









 
 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2008 - 7:59 AM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

Does anyone else recall - this was late 70's maybe 77, 78 - and I can't recall if it was maybe The Fantastic Four or The Avengers - but George Perez was just coming into his own around this time, he did a few issues where he deliberatley aped Kirby's style, but did it in his ultra-detailed mode?
It was great stuff, really beautiful, and I've been thinking about these issues for ages.

 
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