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Jul 25, 2011 - 9:11 PM
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dan the man
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I know and i am surprise, why are some people looking just at a few people who are stars but are a------, there are so many warm nice commentaries out there in so many films i could list hundreds when of course there are thousands, maybe some people are just seeking out the ones who are annoying, so they can complain, to each one's own, i am not gullible, i am not trying to make falliable people into something else, but there are many people who just want to bring people in the media down, for no reason but because they are in the media.was listening the other day to Peter Falk and Alan Arkin's comments on the In laws-79-enjoy it, did it when i heard old Peter left us.
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Jul 26, 2011 - 10:34 AM
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Thgil
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Conan The Barbarian is one of the worst commentaries I've heard. Arnold does all of these things, but the commentary is slightly redeemed by the presence of John Milius.
The Conan commentary is pretty bad, but at least it's funny. Milius goes on and on about how beautiful all the women are and Arnold just goes, "Yeah." Oh and Mr. Schwarzenegger also has a funny habit of saying, "Dat's funny," fairly often.
The worst I've heard was Graham Baker's for The Final Conflict. What the hell is his problem? Does he not understand what a commentary is for? He'll say one thing, then wait ten minutes and say something else. Example: He said nothing during the entire scene for the ambassador's possession and subsequent deathtrap construction. However, once the gun went off and we all got a good look at the aftermath he broke the silence with the wise, wise words: Despite the gore, the most unsettling part is the kicking foot. That's not word-for-word, but does it matter? At that moment I realized what I was in for and shut it off, not even twenty minutes into the film.
THE HOLLOW MAN which did have the Isolated Track with Goldsmith talking just before or after the cues.
The most I remember from that, is right at the start, his use of the F Word, saying something like "This is the, What the F's going on kind of Music " when the rat got graphically squished to death. So bloody and disturbing.
I didn't need that visual and didn't want to hear him swear. It's almost the bad way I feel when I hear my sister swear.
I don't get this at all. I love Goldsmith's potty-mouth. It's so odd to hear someone who's almost never actually heard on DVD talk... and then, to hear him swear: priceless. See also his interview for the Alien DVD/Blu-ray. He was so down-to-earth! I love it. Just seemed like a regular guy.
Goldenthal's commentary for Final Fantasy was fairly decent as I recall.
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any commentary by Vince Gilligan is worthless.
count how many times he says "wonderful'
but hey, he's a writer not a commentator!
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And "Conan"? How many times can you stand to hear Arnold say: "Yah, I remember dat."
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LOL!
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Peter Bogdanovich - one of the most boring, monotone, sleep-inducing commentators ever.
I wish he'd take his stupid Alfred Hitchock impression out behind the barn and shoot it.
He's just doing what he does when he directs a film - imitate a master!
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"You see, Mr. President, in our time, we've learned not to fear words."
-- Lt. Uhura, 23rd Century
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Fear is not the issue. The issue is one of simple dignity and manners, which is something those who use such language in totally inappropriate settings seem to be in fear of.
I see both sides of the issue. I agree that in many cases it's not about fear (but in some cases, it is). There's a time and a place, and those who can't discern when saucy language is appropriate or inappropriate...well yeah, they lack a certain sensibility in social situations. In the case of the Goldsmith commentary, I appreciated it because he was being real and natural (and amusing), and he did so with comfort in THAT situation, whereas he probably wouldn't have placed his granddaughter onto his knee and asked "How the F was your day?" 
The Uhura quote was spoken to President Lincoln when he used the word "nigress" and then apologized for it. Always loved her response.
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You see, I don't know why that has to be a "natural" part of anyone. I'm not saying that as someone who is perfect on it, but the only times I let go is when I'm by myself and mad about some situation and even then I don't feel proud of it or that I've "been myself".
If Goldsmith were talking that way with friends at a bar who expect it, okay. But when someone does a commentary track and releases it to the public and expects me to give a couple hours of my time to listen to it *without* having warned me ahead of time that it's full of this, then that's when he has to remember that he's in the presence of company and whether it's "natural" for him or not to speak that way, that kind of stuff should go by the board.
But Goldsmith doesn't/didn't care what you think, nor does he have to, nor is their a written rule that says commentaries should be language-friendly for all. You cannot expect your values on this subject to apply to everyone, nor should they. And most people listening to a Hollow Man commentary are not likely to be uncomfortable around profanity. Too often I think people want everything shaped to their own needs and values when that's not really practical or right for the world at large.
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Jul 26, 2011 - 5:29 PM
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Marlene
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Fear is not the issue. The issue is one of simple dignity and manners, which is something those who use such language in totally inappropriate settings seem to be in fear of.
I see both sides of the issue. I agree that in many cases it's not about fear (but in some cases, it is). There's a time and a place, and those who can't discern when saucy language is appropriate or inappropriate...well yeah, they lack a certain sensibility in social situations. In the case of the Goldsmith commentary, I appreciated it because he was being real and natural (and amusing), and he did so with comfort in THAT situation, whereas he probably wouldn't have placed his granddaughter onto his knee and asked "How the F was your day?"
That was what I wanted to say, thank you.
Oh, and I´m a very well mannered person. But I love to swear when I´m angry - releases the tension. I also love when people are doing it, for me they are honest that way. I don´t like it very much when people hide their anger behind a wall. Well, some people have to. But some people hide too much, politicians for instance. I feel that I always have to decipher what they are saying.
One exception: we had a chancellor back in the '70s and '80s who was famous for always speaking his mind. The public had an expression for him: "Schmidt-Schnauze" (Schmidt-Snout or Schmidt-Mouth... I think). He´s still very much alive with 92 and still dares to smoke on TV (despite a ban). Always refreshing this man.
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