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 Posted:   Nov 16, 2014 - 8:05 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

I have been playing New Order Technique over and over again in the car.
It is such a melodic and entertaining album, catchy, interesting and fun.
My special addiction on this CD is track 9, the last, I find it completely infectious.


Yes, great album, especially the synth-based tracks. Not so much the straight guitar-songs.


Yes, great album, especially the guitar-based tracks. Not so much the straight synth-songs.

Ah, much better now. (though I jest, the entire album is supoib; it's nice to be vindicated knowing that so many fans enjoy Technique in the years since its 1989 release.

 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2014 - 7:11 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

So This is Permanence: Lyrics and Notebooks



http://www.chroniclebooks.com/blog/2014/10/16/the-personal-notebooks-of-joy-divisions-ian-curtis/

http://www.amzn.com/1452138451

 
 Posted:   May 18, 2015 - 7:45 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Thirty-Five Years Gone Dept.

 
 
 Posted:   May 18, 2015 - 8:53 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Thirty-Five Years Gone Dept.



I worked my way backwards from NO to Joy Division, I was frankly surprised how raw Joy Division is, and there is a current of sadness in it.

I played Joy Division for my girl who likes New Order. New Order is in most cases a lot more upbeat and in about 50% of the case, dance / DJ stuff, which is not JD.

Through her wincing expression I was trying to explain the difference between pretty sounding highly produced slick pop, which is often these days highly repetitive and with simply lyrics, versus the Joy Division, raw, not very produced and not "pretty". It is a remarkable evolution these guys have gone through over so many years, and for the most part stayed together making really exceptional albums, constantly creative. At the root is Ian Curtis, I hope he is happier where he is.

 
 Posted:   May 18, 2015 - 10:30 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Your thoughtful post is appreciated, Ado. Thanks. smile

Has your girlfriend heard New Order's debut, the very-JDish Movement album?

 
 
 Posted:   May 18, 2015 - 11:52 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Jim

I am not familiar with that one, but we will try it out. Thanks

I am looking forward to a new New Order album later this year, or at least so they say.

 
 Posted:   Jul 19, 2016 - 5:24 PM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

Recommended:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Chapter-Verse-New-Order-Division/dp/0552170496/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1468970505&sr=1-1&keywords=sumner

 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2016 - 6:36 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Thanks for the bump. Did you ever read Peter Hook's memoir from a few years back (which was mentioned in this thread)?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2016 - 8:28 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Thanks for the bump. Did you ever read Peter Hook's memoir from a few years back (which was mentioned in this thread)?

I need to read both of those books Jim.
Which do you think I should start with?

 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2016 - 10:50 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

Thanks for the bump. Did you ever read Peter Hook's memoir from a few years back (which was mentioned in this thread)?

No. I guess I have to read that one too some time, to get the balanced view on everything.

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2016 - 5:42 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

I suppose memoirs by Sumner and Hook would have quite different points of view on the same subjects--think Rashomon...

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2016 - 9:15 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

I haven't finished reading Chapter And Verse yet, but I'm a bit surprised that Sumner doesn't really write very much about the albums of the 80s, save for "Movement" and "Technique". He doesn't mention "Power, Corruption & Lies", "Low Life" and "Brotherhood" at all. Not even "True Faith" is mentioned. He writes a lot about stuff that happened around the group, but not so much about the music.

 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2016 - 2:37 PM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

So I finally saw New Order live. FANTASTIC!!

The concert in Oslo has received rave reviews. 80 minutes of "timeless 12-inch disco", as one reviewer put it.

Set-list:

http://www.setlist.fm/setlist/new-order/2016/toyenparken-oslo-norway-3bfcfc20.html

Highlight was when Bernard Sumner joined Gillian Gilbert on the synth on The Perfect Kiss:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10157275609605503&set=a.10152060573760503.905091.894770502&type=3&theater

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2016 - 2:41 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Yeah, I heard some good buzz from the concert here in Oslo. I wanted to go, but couldn't afford it (I've never been to Øyafestivalen at all, despite having lived in Oslo for 20 years).

 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2016 - 2:42 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

I haven't finished reading Chapter And Verse yet, but I'm a bit surprised that Sumner doesn't really write very much about the albums of the 80s, save for "Movement" and "Technique". He doesn't mention "Power, Corruption & Lies", "Low Life" and "Brotherhood" at all. Not even "True Faith" is mentioned. He writes a lot about stuff that happened around the group, but not so much about the music.

D"oh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is what I want to read about - their 80's music.
Don't really care about JD or their post TECHNIQUE stuff.

Maybe I shouldn't even bother reading )just got it from the library)
bruce

ps Chrissie Hynde pulled a similar faux pas with her memoir

 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2016 - 11:53 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

I haven't finished reading Chapter And Verse yet, but I'm a bit surprised that Sumner doesn't really write very much about the albums of the 80s, save for "Movement" and "Technique". He doesn't mention "Power, Corruption & Lies", "Low Life" and "Brotherhood" at all. Not even "True Faith" is mentioned. He writes a lot about stuff that happened around the group, but not so much about the music.

D"oh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is what I want to read about - their 80's music.
Don't really care about JD or their post TECHNIQUE stuff.

Maybe I shouldn't even bother reading )just got it from the library)
bruce

ps Chrissie Hynde pulled a similar faux pas with her memoir


You should read it regardless. Very interesting book.

 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2016 - 11:54 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

Who here has ever seen New Order live? When and where?

 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2016 - 1:52 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Who here has ever seen New Order live? When and where?

I SAW THEM THEM IN THEIR LATE 80'S PEAK!!!!!!!!!!!

Greek Theater at UC Berkeley

I remember being disappointed that they didn't do the 'dance mix" version of "Bizarre Love Triangle! At the time, I did not realize the process of re-mixing singles had nothing to do with the group's original version
bruce

 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2016 - 1:53 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

I haven't finished reading Chapter And Verse yet, but I'm a bit surprised that Sumner doesn't really write very much about the albums of the 80s, save for "Movement" and "Technique". He doesn't mention "Power, Corruption & Lies", "Low Life" and "Brotherhood" at all. Not even "True Faith" is mentioned. He writes a lot about stuff that happened around the group, but not so much about the music.

D"oh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is what I want to read about - their 80's music.
Don't really care about JD or their post TECHNIQUE stuff.

Maybe I shouldn't even bother reading )just got it from the library)
bruce

ps Chrissie Hynde pulled a similar faux pas with her memoir


You should read it regardless. Very interesting book.


yeah....

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2016 - 2:09 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

I am about 50% through Chapter and Verse, and I have enjoyed it. While he does talk a lot about his upbringing and behind the scenes I was perfectly fine with that. Sumner had a pretty tough childhood, but interestingly reflects on most of it with an optimistic feeling, until England start uprooting his neighborhood. The formation of the band stories are interesting, and I had not know that Ian Curtis had epilepsy, and that helps to explains a lot of his mental health challenges, made worse by the terrible medicines they had. It sounds like they met more cockroaches than I could ever imagine. They remain such an important band to me, such talents. I do not think I can bring myself to read this new Hooky book, I do not want to read it and feel like he trashed my whole idea of the band.

 
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