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 Posted:   May 11, 2013 - 5:29 PM   
 By:   johnjohnson   (Member)

And notice the disappearing DVD area, smaller, smaller..The BB of the future will be a smaller store if it makes it.

They have mixed the DVDs with the Blu Rays. Most annoying if you're looking for something. Not that my local BB actually has something interesting in stock. I rarely buy from now. I tend to go to Barnes and Noble. The staff there are much better and I find alot more titles.

 
 Posted:   May 11, 2013 - 5:53 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Not rated in U.S. - rated G in Canada?????

That's a good guess! Does Canada use the US rating system?

BTW, I watched the film this afternoon. What a marvelous HD transfer. Crisp, clean, and sharp. Other than improving the audio I don't think we will ever see a better presentation of this film.

 
 
 Posted:   May 14, 2013 - 10:04 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Not rated in U.S. - rated G in Canada?????

That's a good guess! Does Canada use the US rating system?

BTW, I watched the film this afternoon. What a marvelous HD transfer. Crisp, clean, and sharp. Other than improving the audio I don't think we will ever see a better presentation of this film.


1)
It is a great transfer, a 1979 better than many a 2012 print, it is remarkably good. It has something to do with the quality of the camera/ film stock they were using I think.

2)
I really do not see them redoing and paying another round of hi-def effects for the stuff that they paid Darren Dochterman to do on that "director cut". It was not especially well received from what I hear, besides I think that it is not really needed. Now maybe clean up some matte lines and overlaps like where the shuttle pod merges behind the latticework of the space dock.

3)
My Best Buy has DVD and Blu separate, but DVD is fast dwindling. Amazon has consistently under priced BestBuy, and with usually free shipping. The question is if you want to help Best Buy or take a bunch of titles to the desk to price-match.

I am thinking that they have already lost the battle. They will be lucky to last a couple years. It is too bad in terms of lost jobs, and there is some need for a quick buy for gifts and such.

 
 
 Posted:   May 14, 2013 - 10:07 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Not rated in U.S. - rated G in Canada?????

Well, it was not rated because they never ran the Directors Cut through the review board here in the US, because it was not required to as it was only a home video release, with the exception of some special events where they showed it, like in Hollywood with Mr Wise.

 
 Posted:   May 14, 2013 - 10:43 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Now maybe clean up some matte lines and overlaps like where the shuttle pod merges behind the latticework of the space dock.


I noticed those things too and obviously a product of its time. While optical passes allow more complex effects shots, they are hampered by those darn matte lines. (As well as washed out shots like those of V'ger.) It would be lovely if they cleaned them up. smile

 
 Posted:   May 14, 2013 - 10:45 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Not rated in U.S. - rated G in Canada?????

Well, it was not rated because they never ran the Directors Cut through the review board here in the US, because it was not required to as it was only a home video release, with the exception of some special events where they showed it, like in Hollywood with Mr Wise.


But the BluRay is the theatrical version which was rated "G". I have to assume they got sloppy and slapped the directors cut info onto the theatrical disc.

 
 
 Posted:   May 14, 2013 - 11:44 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Not rated in U.S. - rated G in Canada?????

Well, it was not rated because they never ran the Directors Cut through the review board here in the US, because it was not required to as it was only a home video release, with the exception of some special events where they showed it, like in Hollywood with Mr Wise.


But the BluRay is the theatrical version which was rated "G". I have to assume they got sloppy and slapped the directors cut info onto the theatrical disc.


well, yeah that disc must have been mis-printed or something, that is odd.
On the FX, yeah, the most annoying boo-boo was the pod overlap, but I have learned to live with it, and it does not bother me. I would argue, that for the errors that come with model work, they are more vivid and tactile than CG. That whole sequence in the hanger with the enterprise that Doug Trumbull did and all those tiny lights, it must be one of the most gorgeous FX pieces ever done. It is so wonderfully - real somehow

 
 Posted:   May 14, 2013 - 11:54 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I agree. For one thing, those were "real" in camera lens flares and done in proper scale which makes it so magical. If only he had the Enterprise model he wanted. Which would have been five times bigger! He really pulled a minor miracle making the "E" look so massive on screen with the model he was given. All said and done the FX never looked better, even with their short comings.

 
 Posted:   May 14, 2013 - 1:29 PM   
 By:   Mike_J   (Member)

ST:TMP could have been a great movie if it had been given 6 months more pre-production time and a further 6 months in post. It is achingly close to being a great movie but, like Khan in the (way better) sequel, it keeps... missing...the...target!

Look at the huge amount of positive things the film has; Magnificient production values (the Enterprise interiors have never looked better in any subsequent film - especially not the latest movies filmed in Duff Gardens or wherever the hell the engine room interiors were shot), and absolutely epic score by Goldsmith, a darn good basic idea (albeit Nomad all over again) and, in the main, some incredible model work (Greg Jein - fantastic model builder) and FX (yes, there are some ropey FX but what film from that era doesn't? Remember the Falcon over Yavin in Star Wars? Or the transparent snow speeders in Empire? Or about 50% of the optical work in Superman? All films I love with a passion but still flawed).

Even the much maligned costumes were not all bad. Yes, the jumpsuits just looked like futuristic Kwik-Fit overalls, but some of the costumes were great; Kirk's Admiral's uniform for example (replicated in the latest Star Trek movie incidentally) and Kirk's short sleeved top.

And even little things - the updated phasers for example - were so good (a zillion times better than the phasers in the Abrahms movies) and likewise the communicators (something no other Trek movie has got right in my view - the only really dreadful bit of Wrath of Khan is the bloody antique cigar case that Kirk has as a communicator!).

And what a cracking opening! That Klingon attack sequence - and the fantastic 180 degree camera rotation over the Klingon ship - is still fantastic now. Such a shame that the V'Ger cloud itself was so dull (when will film makers ever learn that a cloud isnt threatening or mysterious? It didnt work in ST:TMP, it didnt work in Fantastic Four 2 and it really didnt work in Green Lantern - although what did?).

So imagine if they had the lead time they needed to develop the script properly, to really polish the film and also make it work in post production too, with a tighter edit? Oh yes, and replace those dreadful cheap opening credits (which look like they were made from Letraset and filmed with a hand-held camera) with something a bit more flashy.

ST:TMP is one of the greatest missed opportunities in the history of genre movies. So near and yet so far.

 
 
 Posted:   May 14, 2013 - 3:39 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

ST:TMP could have been a great movie if it had been given 6 months more pre-production time and a further 6 months in post. It is achingly close to being a great movie but, like Khan in the (way better) sequel, it keeps... missing...the...target!

Look at the huge amount of positive things the film has; Magnificient production values (the Enterprise interiors have never looked better in any subsequent film - especially not the latest movies filmed in Duff Gardens or wherever the hell the engine room interiors were shot), and absolutely epic score by Goldsmith, a darn good basic idea (albeit Nomad all over again) and, in the main, some incredible model work (Greg Jein - fantastic model builder) and FX (yes, there are some ropey FX but what film from that era doesn't? Remember the Falcon over Yavin in Star Wars? Or the transparent snow speeders in Empire? Or about 50% of the optical work in Superman? All films I love with a passion but still flawed).

Even the much maligned costumes were not all bad. Yes, the jumpsuits just looked like futuristic Kwik-Fit overalls, but some of the costumes were great; Kirk's Admiral's uniform for example (replicated in the latest Star Trek movie incidentally) and Kirk's short sleeved top.

And even little things - the updated phasers for example - were so good (a zillion times better than the phasers in the Abrahms movies) and likewise the communicators (something no other Trek movie has got right in my view - the only really dreadful bit of Wrath of Khan is the bloody antique cigar case that Kirk has as a communicator!).

And what a cracking opening! That Klingon attack sequence - and the fantastic 180 degree camera rotation over the Klingon ship - is still fantastic now. Such a shame that the V'Ger cloud itself was so dull (when will film makers ever learn that a cloud isnt threatening or mysterious? It didnt work in ST:TMP, it didnt work in Fantastic Four 2 and it really didnt work in Green Lantern - although what did?).

So imagine if they had the lead time they needed to develop the script properly, to really polish the film and also make it work in post production too, with a tighter edit? Oh yes, and replace those dreadful cheap opening credits (which look like they were made from Letraset and filmed with a hand-held camera) with something a bit more flashy.

ST:TMP is one of the greatest missed opportunities in the history of genre movies. So near and yet so far.


A script written on the fly, always is a problem.

I always defend the film, because there is enough substance and excellence to it that compared to average films, it is excellent, and an unusual cinematic experience that is non-verbal, more visual/musical. As you said, the production qualities were probably higher than any other picture, it just looks expensive and real, and that goes a long way. And the Trumbull and Dykstra teams count for a great deal.

 
 Posted:   May 15, 2013 - 10:03 AM   
 By:   Jeyl   (Member)

- And what a cracking opening! That Klingon attack sequence - and the fantastic 180 degree camera rotation over the Klingon ship - is still fantastic now. Such a shame that the V'Ger cloud itself was so dull (when will film makers ever learn that a cloud isnt threatening or mysterious? It didnt work in ST:TMP, it didnt work in Fantastic Four 2 and it really didnt work in Green Lantern - although what did?).

I think a big element in what made the Cloud work was that bloody Blaster Beam. Darn instrument continued to haunt my nightmares for years.

Also, you forgot to mention that the Klingons themselves have never been as intimidating or as scary as are in TMP's opening. Mark Leonard's performance as the Klingon Commander is simple yet still leaves an impression on me and the delivery of the Klingon language is sharp and chilling. These are not the Klingons I would want to fight against.

 
 Posted:   May 15, 2013 - 10:41 AM   
 By:   Mike_J   (Member)



you forgot to mention that the Klingons themselves have never been as intimidating or as scary as are in TMP's opening. Mark Leonard's performance as the Klingon Commander is simple yet still leaves an impression on me and the delivery of the Klingon language is sharp and chilling. These are not the Klingons I would want to fight against.


Excellent point and I absolutely agree with you. No subsequent klingons have looked anywhere near as good or as menacing. The klingons in STID look terrible.

 
 Posted:   May 15, 2013 - 12:05 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)


I think a big element in what made the Cloud work was that bloody Blaster Beam. Darn instrument continued to haunt my nightmares for years.

Also, you forgot to mention that the Klingons themselves have never been as intimidating or as scary as are in TMP's opening. Mark Leonard's performance as the Klingon Commander is simple yet still leaves an impression on me and the delivery of the Klingon language is sharp and chilling. These are not the Klingons I would want to fight against.


Never liked the new Klingon's, to Star Wars like for my taste. The original Klingon's were just as menacing, without all the silly prosthetics.

Though I totally agree with the V'ger cloud. It was quite menacing and mysterious. I never thought about it before, but it was probably because of the Blaster Beam as you suggested! In fact I always thought of the Blaster Beams as the "voice" of V'ger. For the longest time I thought the Blaster Beam was a sound effect by the SFX crew, opposed to being a part of the score.

 
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