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 Posted:   Mar 19, 2011 - 2:09 PM   
 By:   quiller007   (Member)


Warner Brothers are natural-born crooks (40 bills for future defective DVD disks;
consumers complain about the cheapness of the DVD production)


Well honestly, I've purchased a few of WB's MOD movies, and haven't had
any problems at all with any of them. The picture quality is good, but they
are expensive, imo. There is no guarantee of "future problems" with those
dvd-r discs, but there is no guarantee that they'll continue to work properly
either, after a few years. Nobody knows. The best thing to do is make a backup
dvd-r of each disc you purchase, if you have the proper software to do it.


They should release it as regular DVD sets
for Amazon and make it available for a wider market.


Oh, I agree! There's no reason THE FBI couldn't sell on today's market.
WB should have released the show in complete season sets on commercially
pressed dvds, and sell each season for $40.00. I'm sure they would have sold
far better this way, than how they are going about it. I predict low sales,
at least far lower than the way I suggest.

Den

 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2011 - 2:35 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

The American Life episodes were not uncut. I noticed edits compared to the episodes as shown on AOL's on-line service. They also resorted to speed-up when they weren't resorting to editing.

I again, do not subscribe to the argument that the price is somehow the greatest rip-off of all time. Do I wish it were lower and that it was a "regular" release? Yes, but the notion that this is the worst possible solution when it's already been clear what the whole Warner Archive program is about is just ludicrous. This title has been mentioned as a candidate for this series for months so it's not as if this revelation should come as a shock to anyone.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2011 - 2:58 PM   
 By:   quiller007   (Member)

The American Life episodes were not uncut. I noticed edits compared to the episodes as shown on AOL's on-line service. They also resorted to speed-up when they weren't resorting to editing.

Ah then. I wasn't aware they were cut or sped up. They "seemed" to be uncut
when I watched them, but with nothing else to compare them to, I couldn't
really tell. The running time clocked in at around 46 or 47 minutes, so that
should have told me something. But they DO still play well enough to be enjoyed.


I again, do not subscribe to the argument that the price is somehow the greatest rip-off of all time. Do I wish it were lower and that it was a "regular" release? Yes, but the notion that this is the worst possible solution when it's already been clear what the whole Warner Archive program is about is just ludicrous.


I didn't say they were ripoff. That was the other poster. However,
I stand by my comments that WB COULD have and SHOULD have
released this series as a regular release in complete season sets -
not half seasons - and for the price that they're selling these half-seasons
for - at $40.00 per set. I just think the show would sell much better that way.
WB's reasoning is probably that the show isn't popular enough for them
to package and press full season sets at a more reasonable price.
So why then, make it more difficult and expensive for FBI fans
to get these sets? Makes no sense.


This title has been mentioned as a candidate for this series for months so it's not as if this revelation should come as a shock to anyone.

Yes, I was aware months ago about the planned release. I did NOT know
they were going to release half-seasons at 40 dollars per.

Den

 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2011 - 3:56 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

Ah then. I wasn't aware they were cut or sped up. They "seemed" to be uncut
when I watched them, but with nothing else to compare them to, I couldn't really tell. The running time clocked in at around 46 or 47 minutes, so that should have told me something. But they DO still play well enough to be enjoyed.


I am looking forward to pitching the first batch into the garbage. I would never in a million years contemplate the idea of keeping a boot over an official release unless it were a scenario like "The Odd Couple" where the content was butchered on the official release.

Also, I think the complaint about how long it will take to release the whole series is an old one that shouldn't apply to this anymore than it should apply to other long-running series that are only now getting started on DVD. In fact, I think it's likely that one saving grace of the Archive program is that it will allow for the time between releases to be much shorter than would usually be the case and the Warner Archive Facebook page that first indicated the title was in the works already from the get-go indicated that all nine seasons were going to be made available which means that this is not a case of do we have to worry about sales to see the whole thing. In fact, the MOD program, geared as it is to the niche category can basically afford to take more risks in that area.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2011 - 4:07 PM   
 By:   quiller007   (Member)

Also, I think the complaint about how long it will take to release the whole series is an old one that shouldn't apply to this anymore than it should apply to other long-running series that are only now getting started on DVD. In fact, I think it's likely that one saving grace of the Archive program is that it will allow for the time between releases to be much shorter than would usually be the case and the Warner Archive Facebook page that first indicated the title was in the works already from the get-go indicated that all nine seasons were going to be made available which means that this is not a case of do we have to worry about sales to see the whole thing. In fact, the MOD program, geared as it is to the niche category can basically afford to take more risks in that area.


True, but it still will cost ya 800 big ones (if you get the whole series). big grin
I don't think I'd watch the show THAT much, to warrant that kind of price tag.

Den

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2011 - 4:07 PM   
 By:   The Underground   (Member)

There is one aspect, you two, totally ignore is the generation target.
People who will buy these vintage series are mature, almost retired,
and suffer from hearing problem. Just take a look at the Amazon reviews
where people are shocked not to find the English SDH option.
Same thing with the Spanish subtitles, madre de dios. It is an important factor.
Paramount has changed its policy in 2010 and switched to English SDH
instead of the closed captions (CC) that is only available for the domestic market.
I was happy to enjoy the fourth season of "The Fugitive" without using a computer.

Warners Brothers are yankees de mierda: váyanse al carajo cien veces.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2011 - 4:12 PM   
 By:   The Underground   (Member)



Also, I think the complaint about how long it will take to release the whole series is an old one that shouldn't apply to this anymore than it should apply to other long-running series that are only now getting started on DVD. In fact, I think it's likely that one saving grace of the Archive program is that it will allow for the time between releases to be much shorter than would usually be the case and the Warner Archive Facebook page that first indicated the title was in the works already from the get-go indicated that all nine seasons were going to be made available which means that this is not a case of do we have to worry about sales to see the whole thing. In fact, the MOD program, geared as it is to the niche category can basically afford to take more risks in that area.




Theoretically, you are right, but remember the case of "Mannix" which ended up with a one year gap and we have no guarantee for the rest of the series.

 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2011 - 4:28 PM   
 By:   Gary S.   (Member)

I was in my local Costco today and grabbed The Adventures of Brisco County for $14.99.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2011 - 5:00 PM   
 By:   quiller007   (Member)

I was in my local Costco today and grabbed The Adventures of Brisco County for $14.99.


That's the thing about tv show releases. I like to purchase these things
as cheaply as possible. I usually find brand new - sealed dvd sets through
Amazon's marketplace sellers for far less than the retail price. That's how
I got THE STREETS OF SAN FRANCISCO for $13.00 per half-season set.
I also got THE MOD SQUAD sets for $10.00 per set. But I won't be
able to do this with THE FBI. And this is the real strategy behind these
MOD discs. So people can't purchase them on the secondary market,
because the MOD discs that you find on ebay or else where are priced
higher than getting them directly from the studios.
Anyway, I refuse to pay these insane retail prices.

Den



 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2011 - 5:16 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)



Also, I think the complaint about how long it will take to release the whole series is an old one that shouldn't apply to this anymore than it should apply to other long-running series that are only now getting started on DVD. In fact, I think it's likely that one saving grace of the Archive program is that it will allow for the time between releases to be much shorter than would usually be the case and the Warner Archive Facebook page that first indicated the title was in the works already from the get-go indicated that all nine seasons were going to be made available which means that this is not a case of do we have to worry about sales to see the whole thing. In fact, the MOD program, geared as it is to the niche category can basically afford to take more risks in that area.



Theoretically, you are right, but remember the case of "Mannix" which ended up with a one year gap and we have no guarantee for the rest of the series.


Why should I remember "Mannix" when (1) it isn't a Warner title and (2) is not part of a MOD program? It's true that CBS/Paramount has remastered the entire series for HD, which is a good sign that it will all eventually be on DVD but that of course is not a done deal especially when we're looking at a studio that has no "niche" area for releasing catalog content the way Warner has developed the Archive program.

 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2011 - 5:21 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)



Oh, I agree! There's no reason THE FBI couldn't sell on today's market.
WB should have released the show in complete season sets on commercially
pressed dvds, and sell each season for $40.00. I'm sure they would have sold
far better this way, than how they are going about it. I predict low sales,
at least far lower than the way I suggest.

Den



There's a very simple reason why the show is getting released only this way and not the way you suggest: "It's the economy". Much as I enjoy this show, I also know that it's a show that suffers from the fact that for many years it was out of syndication. I never saw it growing up as a child in the late 70s not long after its run ended because in those days 60s shows with a lot of shootings were all but blackballed (this also I might add killed MFU in syndication). If this show were released that way, I think the sales would be so low that Warner would have made it "one and done" like they have many other titles. As a MOD, the elements of sales expectations are ultimately much lower and I believe that in the end will for a show that ran this long, benefit its chances of reaching completion.

Warner Archive from time to time has special deals on these sets so the notion that in the end it will cost $800 for the whole thing, I think is misleading.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2011 - 5:26 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

YIKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think I spoke way too soon.
THE FBI is WAY too expensive! $40.00 per HALF season? eek
That's 80 dollars per season. If WB releases the entire series,
this sucker will be almost $800.00 (!) I only paid 40 dollars for the
entire first 6 seasons, which also included a handful of episodes from the
remaining seasons. The bootleg sets I got were recorded from the
American Life network. The episodes are uncut and while they have
the station logo present throughout each episode, they look pretty darn
good. Also, consider this: if WB only releases a half-season every 6
months, it will take them 9 years to release the entire series.
I know that some of you think it's cheaper by purchasing them as
WB releases them, but 800 bucks is still 800 bucks. With all the movies
I still need to get, plus other tv shows, plus cds...there just no way
I can afford this right now. Maybe later, I hope.

Den


$40.00 for a half season? I find this to be totally unfair! They should charge $40.00 for an entire FIRST season D.V.D. set, plus bonus features. They should cut the price in half, just like they're only offering half of season 1. Wise up, Warner Bros., and don't follow Paramount's path by putting a half season of a television series on D.V.D..

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2011 - 5:28 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

The American Life episodes were not uncut. I noticed edits compared to the episodes as shown on AOL's on-line service. They also resorted to speed-up when they weren't resorting to editing.

Ah then. I wasn't aware they were cut or sped up. They "seemed" to be uncut
when I watched them, but with nothing else to compare them to, I couldn't
really tell. The running time clocked in at around 46 or 47 minutes, so that
should have told me something. But they DO still play well enough to be enjoyed.


I again, do not subscribe to the argument that the price is somehow the greatest rip-off of all time. Do I wish it were lower and that it was a "regular" release? Yes, but the notion that this is the worst possible solution when it's already been clear what the whole Warner Archive program is about is just ludicrous.


I didn't say they were ripoff. That was the other poster. However,
I stand by my comments that WB COULD have and SHOULD have
released this series as a regular release in complete season sets -
not half seasons - and for the price that they're selling these half-seasons
for - at $40.00 per set. I just think the show would sell much better that way.
WB's reasoning is probably that the show isn't popular enough for them
to package and press full season sets at a more reasonable price.
So why then, make it more difficult and expensive for FBI fans
to get these sets? Makes no sense.


This title has been mentioned as a candidate for this series for months so it's not as if this revelation should come as a shock to anyone.

Yes, I was aware months ago about the planned release. I did NOT know
they were going to release half-seasons at 40 dollars per.

Den


The American Life episodes were also on "The F.B.I." tribute website but since have been removed.

 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2011 - 8:22 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

Well, I've placed my order and so great is my desire to have this in my collection, I plunked down the extra postage for faster shipment.

Since these episodes are from the 1965-66 season it's worth nothing that over *30* TV series that were on the air that season have had their episodes for that year released in whole or part.

Andy Griffith Show S6
The Flintstones S6
Dick Van Dyke Show S5
Combat! S4
The Virginian S4 (announced)
The Lucy Show S4 (announced)
McHale's Navy S4
Patty Duke Show S3
My Favorite Martian S3
The Fugitive S3
Flipper S2
Addams Family S2
Munsters S2
Gilligan's Island S2
Gomer Pyle USMC S2
Bewitched S2
Man From UNCLE S2
Daniel Boone S2
Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea S2
Lost In Space S1
Honey West S1
I Spy S1
Wild Wild West S1
The Big Valley S1
The FBI S1
Laredo S1
Green Acres S1
Gidget S1
F Troop S1
I Dream Of Jeannie S2
Get Smart! S1
Hogan's Heroes S1

And to add to that Gunsmoke (S11) and Perry Mason (S9) have had some of their episodes for that year released in special sets.

That's more than a third of all the shows that were on the air that year and it still doesn't include the biggst hit of the year, "Batman"!

 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2011 - 8:26 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

Well, I've placed my order and so great is my desire to have this in my collection, I plunked down the extra postage for faster shipment.

Since these episodes are from the 1965-66 season it's worth nothing that over *30* TV series that were on the air that season have had their episodes for that year released in whole or part.

Andy Griffith Show S6
The Flintstones S6
Dick Van Dyke Show S5
Combat! S4
The Virginian S4 (announced)
The Lucy Show S4 (announced)
McHale's Navy S4
Patty Duke Show S3
My Favorite Martian S3
The Fugitive S3
Flipper S2
Addams Family S2
Munsters S2
Gilligan's Island S2
Gomer Pyle USMC S2
Bewitched S2
Man From UNCLE S2
Daniel Boone S2
Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea S2
Lost In Space S1
I Spy S1
Wild Wild West S1
The Big Valley S1
The FBI S1
Laredo S1
Green Acres S1
Gidget S1
F Troop S1
I Dream Of Jeannie S2
Get Smart! S1
Hogan's Heroes S1

And to add to that Gunsmoke (S11) and Perry Mason (S9) have had some of their episodes for that year released in special sets.

That's more than a third of all the shows that were on the air that year and it still doesn't include the biggst hit of the year, "Batman"!



Remarkable list of releases. I would love to see One Season Wonders from that era- shows that bombed get some release. I know, idle dream...

 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2011 - 8:31 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

Well, you've got two from that list that were one season shows in "Honey West" (forgot to include that, which is disgraceful of me!) and "Gidget". "Laredo", despite being a two season show I think falls more in the obscure category.

What's remarkable is that I don't think you get that kind of ratio or volume for any year from the 70s or 80s.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 20, 2011 - 2:59 AM   
 By:   The Underground   (Member)

As you, a member of HTF named Jack P praises the release and members debate the expensive price of the half set.

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/forum/thread/309795/f-b-i-from-wba/30#post_3791802

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 20, 2011 - 12:21 PM   
 By:   quiller007   (Member)


There's a very simple reason why the show is getting released only this way and not the way you suggest: "It's the economy".


Logic dictates that during a bad economy you LOWER the prices, not raise them.
At least, that's how it should be.


As a MOD, the elements of sales expectations are ultimately much lower and I believe that in the end will for a show that ran this long, benefit its chances of reaching completion.

If this is true, then why release only a half-season? Why not release an
entire season at once? Why not just release the entire series at once?
I do think WB is releasing the show this way to "test the waters", and
that the same rules apply to MOD discs that apply to regular-commercial
dvd releases. We shall see.


Warner Archive from time to time has special deals on these sets so the notion that in the end it will cost $800 for the whole thing, I think is misleading.


I haven't seen any 50% off sales from WB yet.

Den

 
 Posted:   Mar 20, 2011 - 3:45 PM   
 By:   Eric Paddon   (Member)

Comparably, the price on this set is no different from what MGM did with their two series in the MOD format. In fact, this one is even a better buy since the current price for the MGM ones ("Flipper" and "Highway Patrol") is $20 higher for the same level of content.

We've reached a point where there is such a diminishing level of titles getting released on DVD from this era, that to see the longest running *unreleased* 60s show (nine seasons) finally make it, is cause enough for me to applaud. I don't have any qualm with the price especially when I still find myself having to decide among 78 minute CDs for half the cost of a 16 hour 4 DVD set some of the time.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 20, 2011 - 4:30 PM   
 By:   quiller007   (Member)



My way of thinking is that I'll never watch THE FBI enough times
to warrant that kind of expenditure. I haven't even watched
all the episodes on the boot set of the show. And I've had it
now for three years. I wasn't even going to get HAWAII 5-0
until I found seasons 1 thru 7 at Big Lots for $10.00 each
season. Now THAT'S a reasonable price, imo. If WB ever
has a really good sale, then I might consider getting THE FBI.
Right now, no. Not at $80.00 per season.

Den

 
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