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 Posted:   Feb 24, 2014 - 11:58 AM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

Saw the listing today of the new Chandos Rozsa album
First - it pretty much duplicates the Colissseum cd of many years ago with a dupe of the Thief of Baghdad music followed by a dupe of the same Jungle book music.
then we get completely unneeded Ben Hur music. only interesting thing is the suite from Sahara.

 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2014 - 12:01 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

Well, it really wasn't manufactured with "us" in mind. It's meant for the general public rather than the "I-want-everything-by-every-composer-that hasn't-been-released-yet" crowd.

It will be something a newbie to film music might buy to get a feel for Rozsa.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2014 - 12:09 PM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)

Sorry, I am not buying that thinking. No matter WHO it was manufactured for, I have a right to dislike it.

this thinking that these discs get newbies in doesn;thold water - i.e.- the last ten discs with Ben hur didn't do the trick, but his one will make all the difference.

 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2014 - 12:20 PM   
 By:   Erik Woods   (Member)

this thinking that these discs get newbies in doesn;thold water - i.e.- the last ten discs with Ben hur didn't do the trick, but his one will make all the difference.

It might. Maybe there's a hard core Chandos fan who has yet to hear anything by Rozsa. This will be his or her introduction to Rozsa's music for them. I wouldn't be so dismissive.

 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2014 - 12:28 PM   
 By:   filmsonwax   (Member)

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?pageID=5&forumID=1&threadID=100933&archive=0

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2014 - 12:36 PM   
 By:   Charlie Chan   (Member)

Hello folks

Yes you do have a right to dislike this album.

However as far as getting newbies in, Geoff Love is testimony to the fact that combining popular, often recorded, well known themes with rare items works. How many people on this board started with Big War Movie themes?

Regards

CC

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2014 - 1:48 PM   
 By:   waxmanman35   (Member)

Saw the listing today of the new Chandos Rozsa album
First - it pretty much duplicates the Colissseum cd of many years ago with a dupe of the Thief of Baghdad music followed by a dupe of the same Jungle book music.
then we get completely unneeded Ben Hur music. only interesting thing is the suite from Sahara.


One of the problems that any record label would encounter in attempting any new recording of a classic film score is that orchestrations often no longer exist.

Joe, you can certainly express your disapproval by not buying the Chandos CD. I have to second the earlier comment that the album isn't intended for Rozsa fans but for a more general audience.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2014 - 2:03 PM   
 By:   jonathan_little   (Member)

It is amazing to find somebody who is "not thrilled" that a record producer has decided to devote an entire album to Rozsa given how few new film music recordings there are recently.

I'm glad to see "The Jungle Book" recorded again. All I have from Varese's recording are the few tracks they put on their centenary compilation. I do own a copy of the FMS release from the acetates, but I don't listen to it very often because the sound quality is not satisfying.

 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2014 - 2:05 PM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

Sorry, I am not buying that thinking. No matter WHO it was manufactured for, I have a right to dislike it.

this thinking that these discs get newbies in doesn;thold water - i.e.- the last ten discs with Ben hur didn't do the trick, but his one will make all the difference.


You DISLIKE it? You haven't even HEARD it!

I assure you that Chandos does not care whether you like it or not.

For that matter, neither do I. I offered an explanation of why it contains what it contains.

It's a generic offering. Make of it what you will.

 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2014 - 2:35 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

I've ordered it. I'm mostly annoyed that TheClassicShop still seems to have the same insanely slow download speed they've always had. That won't stop me from buying lossless downloads in the future but considering the options out there the speeds are pretty disappointing. I didn't have the previous Varese CD and I welcome new recordings from Gamba. (I also quite like the "pointless" Herrmann CD from a while back).

 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2014 - 2:37 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Why is it that whenever anybody expresses a contrary opinion around here, the original poster reminds us it's his right to feel how he feels. Of course it's your right, Joe, and nothing Ron wrote claims otherwise.

Chandos has been doing these recordings for a quarter of a century. They probably know more about their audience than you do, Joe. As Ron said, this was not designed with you or me in mind. You may dislike that, and you may think they've made a poor business decision. But their reasoning works for them.

 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2014 - 2:49 PM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

Saw the listing today of the new Chandos Rozsa album
First - it pretty much duplicates the Colissseum cd of many years ago with a dupe of the Thief of Baghdad music followed by a dupe of the same Jungle book music.




I hope the Chandos doesn't "dupe" the atrocious physical editing of that Jungle Book suite conducted by Klauspeter Seibel.
While the Rozsa-conducted Thief of Bagdad on the same disc is well done, The Jungle Book sounds like some of its parts were edited together with needle and thread.
A major reason to welcome the new Chandos.

Seems to me, rather than being good only for newcomers to Rozsa, the new CD might be very well received by long-term Rozsa admirers like me who have been hoping for something better than that weak Seibel offering.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2014 - 3:53 PM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)

Saw the listing today of the new Chandos Rozsa album
First - it pretty much duplicates the Colissseum cd of many years ago with a dupe of the Thief of Baghdad music followed by a dupe of the same Jungle book music.
then we get completely unneeded Ben Hur music. only interesting thing is the suite from Sahara.




Sorry to say Joe I pretty much agree with you.

I fail to get excited over an 80 minute CD when I already have 73 minutes of it!

I'll still buy it for the 7 minute Sahara suite and for (hopefully) a superior version of The Jungle Book.

The Thief of Bagdad music on this CD, good as it is, is in my mind the least interesting music from the score, it's almost source music. The love theme is beautiful. And The Thief of Bagdad might well be my favorite Rozsa score.

I doubt this CD will convert many classical fans into new Rozsa film score fans.

I'm surprised how many veteran Rozsa fans are excited about this CD. I bought my first Ben Hur LP in 1964 ......... now, 50 years later, yet another Ben Hur!

I can understand how Chandos wants this CD to appeal to a large mass of people, but it's nearly off my radar screen. frown

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2014 - 4:03 PM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)

Saw the listing today of the new Chandos Rozsa album
First - it pretty much duplicates the Colissseum cd of many years ago with a dupe of the Thief of Baghdad music followed by a dupe of the same Jungle book music.
then we get completely unneeded Ben Hur music. only interesting thing is the suite from Sahara.




Sorry to say Joe I pretty much agree with you.

I fail to get excited over an 80 minute CD when I already have 73 minutes of it!

I'll still buy it for the 7 minute Sahara suite and for (hopefully) a superior version of The Jungle Book.

The Thief of Bagdad music on this CD, good as it is, is in my mind the least interesting music from the score, it's almost source music. The love theme is beautiful. And The Thief of Bagdad might well be my favorite Rozsa score.

I doubt this CD will convert many classical fans into new Rozsa film score fans.

I'm surprised how many veteran Rozsa fans are excited about this CD. I bought my first Ben Hur LP in 1964 ......... now, 50 years later, yet another Ben Hur!

I can understand how Chandos wants this CD to appeal to a large mass of people, but it's nearly off my radar screen. frown


If it didn't have the SAHARA suite I would have passed on it. Hopefully, a label like Intrada, will continue their series of Rozsa re-recordings with a complete SAHARA. That would be something to behold.

 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2014 - 4:12 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

I doubt this CD will convert many classical fans into new Rozsa film score fans.

You misunderstand. Chandos' goal is not to create new Rózsa fans. It's to attract their classical audience to this particular CD.

 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2014 - 4:12 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

I'm surprised how many film music fans are not excited by the prospect of a different recording of the same music. A different orchestra, conductor, and recording can be significantly different. Most fans of classical music have multiple versions of the same symphony and never complain that it is duplicated. There are differences in the music that come from different interpretations.

 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2014 - 4:34 PM   
 By:   Erik Woods   (Member)

I'm surprised how many film music fans are not excited by the prospect of a different recording of the same music. A different orchestra, conductor, and recording can be significantly different. Most fans of classical music have multiple versions of the same symphony and never complain that it is duplicated. There are differences in the music that come from different interpretations.

Bingo!

-Erik-

 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2014 - 5:49 PM   
 By:   George Komar   (Member)

I'm surprised how many veteran Rozsa fans are excited about this CD.

And why shouldn't we? You and Joe are perfectly at liberty in declining to purchase it, but I'm always excited to hear this music in a fresh performance, as if I'm hearing it for the first time, or in anticipation of hearing something different in it that will make me fall in love with the music all over again. The CDs in the Chandos series are all very well done.

And I can guarantee that, should this release sell as well as Chandos anticipates, there will be no Ben-Hur, Thief of Bagdad or Jungle Book on a Volume 2. Yes, I very much look forward to a Volume 2; the alternative is no more Rozsa film music from Chandos.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2014 - 6:29 PM   
 By:   pp312   (Member)

I'm surprised how many film music fans are not excited by the prospect of a different recording of the same music. A different orchestra, conductor, and recording can be significantly different. Most fans of classical music have multiple versions of the same symphony and never complain that it is duplicated. There are differences in the music that come from different interpretations.

Yes, you got in before me. There's no universal law that says that once there's a re-recording, there must never be another. Plus there's an assumption that every Rozsa fan must have every Rozsa recording. People cite various recordings here that I've never heard of, never knew existed, and I've been a Rozsa fan since 1961. Often certain recordings just aren't available in certain countries, or the sound or performances are lousy. Here we have a major label distributed everywhere, with top sound and, from what I've sampled, excellent performances. No, I don't need another Ben-Hur, but if people hear this and think, "Wow, this's pretty good! I thought Ben-Hur was all high school marching band stuff!" then the recording wll be worthwhile.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 24, 2014 - 7:23 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

A handful of consumers will buy this, and then in a short time, it will end up selling on Amazon for 3 or 4 bucks, just like so many others.

 
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