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 Posted:   Apr 5, 2007 - 1:24 AM   
 By:   William Stromberg   (Member)

Having read all the posts in the other thread about the reissue of the original tracks on the Cloud 9 label, I felt compelled to give an update on our new re-recording of the entire score on Tribute Film Classics. While I would never part with the Cloud 9 release, I’ve always been disappointed that so many cues were lost and, or not included on that disc. Now, finally, we are looking forward to performing and presenting every cue that Herrmann wrote for my favorite Harryhausen film. Since Anna, John and I will be producing and funding this recording ourselves, we are offering the entire score, plus music never heard before’ for about 20 dollars. Our planned release date is for late summer, available through Screen Archives.

All of the music has been copied and shipped, and we’re ready to record.

Here is a list of all the cues, as Herrmann wrote/named them, which we will be recording May 2nd through the 5th. Obviously, the timings are approximate and we may re-name some of the cues, such as the Bird to The Phororacos, and the Octopus to The Cephalopod.




Prelude 1:05
The Battle 1:20??
The Gates :36
The Stairs :24
The Tower :24
The Escape :42
The Balloon 1 1:13
Introductions :27
The Clouds A 1:06
The Clouds B :55
The Clouds C (2xs) :50
The Clouds D :37
The Clouds E 1:06
The Balloon 2 2:00
The Island :37
The Rocks :37
Exploration 2:05
The Giant Crab 2:40
The Volcano 1:22
The Crater :25
The Beach 1:33
The Stream :40
The Cliff 1:27
The Cave 2:03
Narration 1:23
R.C. (Robinson Crusoe) :15
Elena :30
The Shadow :40
The Bird 2:35
Duo 1:40
Honey Comb 1:00
The Giant Bee I 1:42
The Sail :30
The Giant Bee II :44
The Flag :40
The Fire :33
The Nautilus 1:35
The Bridge 1:03
The Pirates 1:31
Gunsmoke :39
Attack :46
The Sinking Ship :55
Captain Nemo :40
The Bottle :25
The Pipeline 1:25
Underwater 1:32
The Smoke 1:05
Danger A :17
Danger B :17
Lava Flow 1:16
The Octopus 1:20 (approx)
The Raft :18??
The Rock :20??
The Sub Deck ???
The Tentacles :17
The Fight 3:14
The Divers 1:07
The Air Hose :45
The Ship Raising 2:33
The Earthquake ???
Finale 1:15

The instrumentation is immense:

3 Flutes (All 3 double Piccolo)
3 Oboes (All double English Horns)
3 Bb Clarinets
2 Bb Bass Clarinets (Bass Clarinet 1 doubles Bb Clarinet)
3 Bassoons
2 Contra Bassoons

8 Horns (all mutes, including brass mutes if possible)
3 Bb Trumpets (Straight & Cup mutes)
3 Trombones (Straight & Cup mutes)
4 Tubas

2 (sometimes 4) Timpani Players (8 pedal Timps)
8 Percussionists

4 Harps

22 Violins
10 Violas
10 Celli
7 Bass (Must have low “C” extensions)

Percussion
4 Suspended Cymbals (Various Sizes)
2 Cymbals (Large & Medium)
2 Large Bass Drums
2 Large Tam Tams
Chimes (1 Set) with additional high F# & G
2 Snare Drums
2 Tenor Drums
2 Triangles (small & large)
2 Glocks
2 Vibes (With working motors)
2 Xylophones
Tambourine
Wood Block
Whip

We hope you’re looking forward to this recording as much as we are. We’ll do our best to keep you informed with photos and updates from the sessions in early May.

Sincerely,
Bill, Anna, & John
Tribute Film Classics Inc.

 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2007 - 1:36 AM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

I can't wait, as stated, my favorite score Herrmann did for Harryhausen. I'll be among the first to order. Good luck!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2007 - 1:38 AM   
 By:   Michael Arlidge   (Member)

 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2007 - 2:02 AM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

Excellent news. I certainly won't be bothering with the overpriced BSX offering.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2007 - 2:09 AM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)

Count me in on this one too. This was one of the first scores which got me to sit-up and take notice of film music as a kid.

I almost bought the Cloud Nine CD years ago until I listened to a friend's copy, and was disheartened to hear how much was missing. Fantastic news to hear you are recording it anew! smile

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2007 - 2:10 AM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

Excellent news. I certainly won't be bothering with the overpriced BSX offering.

That's an interesting and rather ill-informed remark.

As I've already stated the cost for this disc is about the same as the average brand new CD anywhere in Europe.

The price is due to the rather high price that needed to paid to the studio to relicense the original soundtrack recording.

Both SILVA and BSX wanted a lower price,but after going over the costs, this was a low as they could go.

It's also worth mentioning that BSX's price is indeed $24.95 Plus Shipping in the USA.

It's about $29.00 plus shipping if you purchase from SIVLA SCREEN in the UK.


Ford A. Thaxton

 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2007 - 2:28 AM   
 By:   William Stromberg   (Member)

Of course, I meant 2 Glocks (as in glockenspiels), and not Clocks. Who knows, I bet Herrmann used a clock or two in his day.

 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2007 - 2:29 AM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

The price is due to the rather high price that needed to paid to the studio to relicense the original soundtrack recording.


Fair enough. So rather than say the BSX disc is overpriced, I'll simply suggest the Stromberg disc will be cheap at the price.

I must say I'm more intrigued by the timing of this BSX/Silva offering. It's common knowledge that Mr.Stromberg was producing a new recording. What was the thinking behind relicensing and releasing the old Cloud Nine disc just a few weeks before the new recording is made?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2007 - 2:33 AM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)




Fair enough. So rather than say the BSX disc is overpriced, I'll simply suggest the Stromberg disc will be cheap at the price.

I must say I'm more intrigued by the timing of this BSX/Silva offering. It's common knowledge that Mr.Stromberg was producing a new recording. What was the thinking behind relicensing and releasing the old Cloud Nine disc just a few weeks before the new recording is made?


Well, it's taken the last TWO YEARS to get the deal done and settled.

Any other questions?


Ford A. Thaxton

 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2007 - 2:46 AM   
 By:   Ed   (Member)

Very, very excited to hear this is in the works. Oh, and Herrmann's "The Bird" and "The Octopus" works fine for me. I love the terse quality of his cue titles.

As far as Herrmann's original tracks go, there's no substitute for the original and the quality is excellent. Now if only Herrmann's original stereo tracks from The 7th Voyage Of Sinbad would magically reappear on the market.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2007 - 3:01 AM   
 By:   bimmer   (Member)

HOT DAMN !!

I can't wait for this jewel!

 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2007 - 3:15 AM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

As far as Herrmann's original tracks go, there's no substitute for the original

I'd usually agree with that. In an instance like Rozsa's Jungle Book, the original tracks released as a limited edition by Film Music Archives had extremely poor sound, but the pleasure of having the extra tracks which were otherwise unavailable still made it an essential for me. The re-release of the Big Country original soundtrack has additional cues compared to the excellent Silva re-recording, so both are essential in their own ways. I also enjoy, for example, having both the Intrada Ivanhoe re-recording and the original Ivanhoe tracks on FSM.

However, with the Stromberg release imminent, the Cloud Nine disc is little more than a sampler of the score in comparison.
I'd only be interested in it if it was expanded substantially, or if Mr. Stromberg's version turns out to be unsatisfactory, which I very much doubt.

 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2007 - 3:17 AM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

and the original Ivanhoe tracks on FSM.


Correction. I think that should be Rhino.

 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2007 - 3:39 AM   
 By:   William Stromberg   (Member)

>>I'd only be interested in it if it was expanded substantially, or if Mr. Stromberg's version turns out to be unsatisfactory, which I very much doubt. >>

Thanks for that, but with John and Anna waving a stop watch at me and us not leaving the recording studio until we have perfectly timed takes, I think we'll be good. Yes, we might even improve those horn burbles in The Island & The Rocks cues. I hope!!

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2007 - 3:46 AM   
 By:   Michael Arlidge   (Member)

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2007 - 3:47 AM   
 By:   Koji   (Member)

You know, this is one of those "special cases," I feel, in that if you're a Herrmann fan, there should be no question that both the Cloud 9 original tracks and the forthcoming Morgan/Stromberg version should be in your CD library. Both will be essential. This "either/or" is just silly in this case, as Herrmann was such a profound figure in the history of film music, and this is truly one of his greatest scores. And I think either of those recordings would be worth it if they had to be priced at $30 in order to turn a profit. You should be very happy that both of these will be available, and stop bashing BSX, and please -- no bashing "re-recordings." I already own the Cloud 9 version and love it, and I've already cleared a small space in my Herrmann area for the forthcoming AnnaMorgStrom production.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2007 - 4:36 AM   
 By:   JimWynorski   (Member)

I've got the majority of the Morgan/Stromberg re-creation scores on cd - and although they're OK, they are certainly no match to the original soundtracks. Most of the tempos are off and slow compared to the originals - and they just aren't able to conjure the 'sound' of the orchestras they're trying to emulate.

Even Herrmann himself couldn't re-create his own sound when he re-did Mysterious Island for the Phase4 recordings.

Personally, I congratulate both Stromberg and Morgan for trying their hand at this classic score - but based on their previous track record, I don't hold out high hopes that they'll make it sound like the original score heard in the movie. For me, the Cloud Nine release is as good as it's going to get...and if you don't have it - it's a bargain at $25 bucks.



 
 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2007 - 4:48 AM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

I'm most fascinated with the size of the orchestra - which would have been VERY unusual for what was a lower-budget film. Are you really saying the Mr. Herrmann's original orchestra on this score was ninety-plus players, because me no believe.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2007 - 4:58 AM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

I'm most fascinated with the size of the orchestra - which would have been VERY unusual for what was a lower-budget film. Are you really saying the Mr. Herrmann's original orchestra on this score was ninety-plus players, because me no believe.


And unless I'm seriously mistaken (and I could be) the score to MYSTERIOUS ISLAND is credited to none other then THE LONDON SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA on the opening credits of this film.

I could be mistaken, but that is what I recall.


Ford A. Thaxton

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 5, 2007 - 5:00 AM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

I've got the majority of the Morgan/Stromberg re-creation scores on cd - and although they're OK, they are certainly no match to the original soundtracks. Most of the tempos are off and slow compared to the originals - and they just aren't able to conjure the 'sound' of the orchestras they're trying to emulate.




Morgan and Stromberg do a GREAT JOB in my view and come as close as possible to the OST recordings as anyone I've heard.

I wish them the best with this new series of recordings.


Ford A. Thaxton

 
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