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This is a comments thread about FSM CD: The Swimmer
 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2009 - 8:10 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

...you will LOVE this score! It will be on your disc player for weeks without ever coming out.

Truer words were never posted! I finally got THE SWIMMER and have been awed by its melancholy, Americana, and the groovy lounge tracks that evoke my own hometown during this same era --even though I wasn't around--LeGrand's The Thomas Crown Affair gives me this same feeling: familiar, yet before my time. THE SWIMMER has become one of my all-time favorite scores.

Insightful liner notes--I didn't know that Lancaster couldn't swim--and the changing hands from the Perrys to the studio and Pollack was also interesting reading.

I read the Cheever short story about fifteen years ago and caught the film one saturday afternoon a few years after that. I thought that Lancaster was a superb choice for Neddy Merrill, though when I read the story, I imagined Tab Hunter (as he was in 1968) in the role! Now I couldn't imagine anyone but Burt doing the part.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2009 - 10:24 PM   
 By:   Montana Dave   (Member)

I agree with you Zelig. But you didn't even mention the man who's made you happy - Marvin Hamlisch.
I can't recall when The Swimmer was released theatrically, I think 1969. I never got around to seeing the film until it came out on dvd..a long, long time afterwards. I feel that the film of 'The Swimmer' is very much a film of it's time and yet, seemed somewhat ahead of it's time as well. Dark - but brilliant stuff!

 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2009 - 4:19 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

I agree with you Zelig. But you didn't even mention the man who's made you happy - Marvin Hamlisch.


Well, as Henry Mancini once said, "Did they mention the music?" And I did. smile

Marvin Hamlisch composed a masterwork his first time "at bat"!

This thread has 199 views...c'mon people, comment!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2009 - 6:47 AM   
 By:   MICHAEL HOMA   (Member)

agreed- another lp that i got at the PRINCETON RECORD EXCHANGE, played it to death then, now we have the cd, so i do the same with that, never get tired of it, but i did do a double take when i first bought the lp, could not believe the name of the composer. in short, what's not to like ? kim hunter told me when they finally finished the shoot they threw burt lancaster in the pool, clothes and all.

 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2009 - 7:08 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

The Swimmer is one of those "perfect" releases in that it's playing time (35:57) makes for both a wonderful listening experience and placates those who want every cue. I've only seen the movie twice, but the FSM release must have all the best parts.

BTW, I truly believe that if The Swimmer had been composed by Goldsmith or Barry, *many* more people would be raving about it around here. Marvin Hamlisch just doesn't have the popularity of those other guys.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2009 - 9:09 AM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

I caught The Swimmer on The Late Show in the early 1970s and thought it absolutely fantastic. I acquired a 16mm IB Tech print soon thereafter and ran it for people at every opportunity. I had the LP from the day it was released and I loved the music. It was orchestrated by longtime Elmer guys Shuken and Hayes. I believe the thirty-five minutes is every note of score from the film. The cast is perfection and the film is just hypnotic and strange and unique. Someday I'd love to see the original scene that was cut from the film - with Barbara Loden in the Janice Rule scene. The latter, while an excellent scene, isn't directed in the style or feel of the rest of the film - in fact, it wasn't directed by Frank Perry at all, but by Sidney Pollack.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 26, 2009 - 10:00 AM   
 By:   MICHAEL HOMA   (Member)

I caught The Swimmer on The Late Show in the early 1970s and thought it absolutely fantastic. I acquired a 16mm IB Tech print soon thereafter and ran it for people at every opportunity. I had the LP from the day it was released and I loved the music. It was orchestrated by longtime Elmer guys Shuken and Hayes. I believe the thirty-five minutes is every note of score from the film. The cast is perfection and the film is just hypnotic and strange and unique. Someday I'd love to see the original scene that was cut from the film - with Barbara Loden in the Janice Rule scene. The latter, while an excellent scene, isn't directed in the style or feel of the rest of the film - in fact, it wasn't directed by Frank Perry at all, but by Sidney Pollack.............. i find ur knowledge of film and filmscores endlessly fascinating .

 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2012 - 2:03 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

*Bump* For obvious reasons.

 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2012 - 2:03 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

My favorite Hamlisch cue is "Lovely Hair" from The Swimmer. When I first got the FSM CD I must have played that track and the whole disc a hundred times in the first week. I was obsessed with "Lovely Hair." A track that's sunny-sounding but which also has an ominously dark undercurrent (no pun) and just the right amount of longing. Perfection.

 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2012 - 2:07 PM   
 By:   lexedo   (Member)

[pasted from the "RIP" thread]

He must have been only 22 or 23 when he did the score for The Swimmer. It has that exciting "hero theme" for Burt Lancaster as he's running with the pretty young lady. Great great talent. Very very sad today.

I always loved the film bc of its 70s perspective of the New England WASPs: the tudors, the sprawling lawns, the pools and parties, the clothes, the conversations... The shots of the Connecticut country-side are worth the price of admission alone. Ashame that the last few scenes were not shot on location.

 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2012 - 2:25 PM   
 By:   Urs Lesse   (Member)

Playing it right now and sensing the melancholic parts of it all the more.

 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2012 - 6:18 PM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

One of my very favorite scores. And one of my most played.
But it sounds so different to anything else I've heard by Hamlisch, and so much more like what the orchestrators are known for, I wouldn't have been surprised to see it credited as "Composed by Shuken and Hayes, based on themes by Marvin Hamlisch".
Anyway, a great score that fits the film ideally. I wish we'd had more in this style from Hamlisch (and team).

 
 Posted:   Aug 9, 2012 - 7:00 AM   
 By:   lexedo   (Member)

One of my very favorite scores. And one of my most played.
But it sounds so different to anything else I've heard by Hamlisch, and so much more like what the orchestrators are known for, I wouldn't have been surprised to see it credited as "Composed by Shuken and Hayes, based on themes by Marvin Hamlisch".
Anyway, a great score that fits the film ideally. I wish we'd had more in this style from Hamlisch (and team).


C'mon BW. With all the music you enjoy, no affinity or appreciation in the least for the "Great White Way," and Hamlisch's contribution in that regard?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 12, 2012 - 9:00 AM   
 By:   JADSTERSDAD   (Member)

This has always been one of my favourite scores. And I love the movie. Strangely, I've never come across the info that lyrics were added to the theme (but never recorded?). The subtitle 'Send for me in Summer' should have alerted me! My question here is....WAS it ever recorded by anyone? I can't find a reference after googling it. And if not, are the lyrics at lease available?

Thanks. R.I.P. Marvin. A great talent.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 17, 2012 - 4:55 AM   
 By:   Angelillo   (Member)

edit

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 17, 2012 - 5:17 AM   
 By:   Angelillo   (Member)

Hope you'll enjoy this !

 
 Posted:   Sep 17, 2012 - 12:03 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Where did that come from? The fact it was a french doco team interviewing Hamlisch kind of makes sense because The Swimmer has a slightly continental aura about it. Thank the stars they went after him for the record.

Nice find, Angelillo.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 17, 2012 - 7:50 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

Nice find indeed - to put it mildly. Thank you!! What a great supplement this would make for a SWIMMER dvd that should also include the original out-take footage.

-- Preston Jones, production assistant, THE SWIMMER mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 17, 2012 - 7:50 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

Nice find indeed - to put it mildly. Thank you!! What a great supplement this would make for a SWIMMER dvd that should also include the original out-take footage.

-- Preston Jones, production assistant, THE SWIMMER mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 17, 2012 - 7:50 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

Nice find indeed - to put it mildly. Thank you!! What a great supplement this would make for a SWIMMER dvd that should also include the original out-take footage.

-- Preston Jones, production assistant, THE SWIMMER mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj

 
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