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Mar 31, 2009 - 8:16 PM
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Freejack
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I bet I'll be in a minority here, but I think Goldsmith's score made a bad movie that much worse since his score amplifies the cheeziness of the whole production. The "cool-boy/fight" music, especially in The Chase, just doesn't cut it and seems like an obvious and, not to be redundant, cheezy way to go with the music. I have nothing against Jerry G., but I sort of now have a better understanding of why he was rejected.
...though I'm not saying Fidel wrote a masterpiece either.
Funny I was about to write almost the same thing.
It's fairly obvious that Jerry did'nt take this movie seriously.
I have to give the match to Fiedel.
And Goldsmith for the first time is Knocked Out.
It's an O.K film, I've seen worse but also alot better.
The movies strength lies on the two actors Loggia and Dennehy,
as they were the films real highlights.
Hey Mutant, just a thought .
It would be real cool if you would include the
original score along with the rejected in the
clips so people can see the differences.
Other than that I love what you're doing.
Keep up the good work.
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I think Goldsmith's score made a bad movie that much worse since his score amplifies the cheeziness of the whole production.
I like the music. but sounds for another kind of film. indeed, a more cheesy and lighter one.
a FUN one!
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The first time I ever heard any of this score was at the SPFM dinner in 1993 where Jerry Goldsmith was given his career achievement award. Ric Romo (of NBC) had put together a tribute video which which opened with footage of the Gladiator session. The session was not identified, so I didn't know what it was, but I was very swept away by the music I heard (a string-intensive version of the score's love theme). I remember thinking "Wow, music like this is the reason I love Jerry's work!"
Having heard more of it, I wouldn't say this is one of Jerry Goldsmith's absolute BEST...but I honestly think it has a passion and drive not found in later scores (like First Knight, Congo or Mulan).
And the love theme for this score really was beautiful. Presumably Goldsmith thought so too, since he resurrected it for use in The Vanishing.
Sometimes these scores are rejected for a reason--on the other hand, most of the time when a score is rejected the whole film stinks
When Goldsmith was later asked about Gladiator, he said "Fortunately my score wasn't used."
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that last cue was just entirely inappropriate for the final scene of the movie. It was too upbeat during the fight--much too upbeat.
well, I think the atmosphere of it, does work. it is pretty upbeat, but we already see the expressions of everybody: the big guy is being defeated by that little guy. the music just shimmers and gets triumphant.
it still sounds out of place, but dramatically it works here. (I do not know how the preceding part of the scene was scored, when they were in the middle of the fight)
the funny thing is: Goldsmith was always very capable of getting the sound right, even for duds like The Swarm, The Shadow or Rent-A-Cop. why he probably couldn't here, is some sort of mystery for me.
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Apr 3, 2009 - 3:03 PM
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Spymaster
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Wow.
Okay, well firstly these clips are technically brilliant and a THOUSAND thanks for putting them together. Brilliant!!
Now the music...
It's hard, talking these out of context, and I haven't see the movie for a while, and then only once (I do have the boot CD), put this is pure Jerry.
Wonderful writing.
I have to assume that there was a major breakdown in communication with Rowdy Herrington. Either he asked Goldsmith to take the wrong approach, or the wrong temp was used, or he failed to communicate entirely. See Ridley Scott and Alien.
I doubt Goldsmith would have gotten this so completely wrong, unless he was merely trying to amuse himself during a very poor assignment!! :-)
Great music, probably best to ignore the film. Sounds familiar!!
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Well done again for allowing us to sample a rejected score against the visuals they were intended for. I personally think Goldsmith thought he had another Hoosiers or the director temp tracked it with Hoosiers. Either way it does not work that well. I've heard worse but I can understand why it got rejected.
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