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 Posted:   Sep 21, 2012 - 12:55 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Is it the entire scores as heard in the films, recording sessions before they were edited into the films, or the composers own re-interpretation of the scores?

Also I noticed some "glitches" on "2-14 Balin's Tomb". Is there a known problem with this track? Or perhaps its just on my disc? ( I haven't tried reimporting it yet)

 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2012 - 1:03 PM   
 By:   Senojanaidni   (Member)

"Is it the entire scores as heard in the films, recording sessions before they were edited into the films, or the composers own re-interpretation of the scores?"

Re-interpretation? Could you ever imagine how much that will cost.

 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2012 - 1:08 PM   
 By:   Wedge   (Member)

To your first question: what you hear on the Complete Recordings boxed sets is the composer's personal preference on how to present the material over multiple discs (just as the OST releases were his preference on how to present each score on a single disc). Substantially, the sets contain uncut versions of the music heard in the Extended Editions of the films -- but not always. For example, Howard Shore sometimes elected to either include or omit overlays ... or to add in a bit of an alternate passage that didn't make it into any version of the film. FELLOWSHIP preserves a few microedits, and also some minor tracking (the film uses a particular setting of the History of the Ring theme in multiple places, and Shore decided that he liked the architecture of it; the effect was even duplicated for the concert scores and live performances). In a nutshell, they are partway between what was written and recorded and what wound up being used in the films -- assembled under the composer's supervision.

 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2012 - 1:18 PM   
 By:   OneBuckFilms   (Member)

What we have in the Complete Recordings is something absolutely stunning, both in terms of music and presentation.

 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2012 - 2:04 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

To your first question: what you hear on the Complete Recordings boxed sets is the composer's personal preference on how to present the material over multiple discs (just as the OST releases were his preference on how to present each score on a single disc). In a nutshell, they are partway between what was written and recorded and what wound up being used in the films -- assembled under the composer's supervision.

Thanks a lot. That was pretty much what I surmised from what I read, but wasn't sure. So the RS are really like a much extended OST. I didn't realize that at first. Ive decided to make my own "fan-edit" of the complete scores and that's when it dawned on me as I listened to each track the orchestrations seemed different. This was certainly a very interesting project.

 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2012 - 8:41 AM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

The Complete Recordings follows the narrative flow of the extended versions of the film for the most part. There are some major divergences at times because of preference, such as the blaze of brass at the Ford of Bruinen, or to accommodate for editorial changes during post-production. Gandalf and Pippin's arrival in Gondor and approach to Minas Tirith appears twice on the CR for The Return of the King because there were two different assemblies of the film that were scored.

Much of what is contained on the original soundtrack albums differs greatly from what appears on the Complete Recordings. Sometimes they are different takes with divergent orchestrations, sometimes they are different mixes (which can have a definite effect on the impact of the music, this is particularly true of the muted choir on the CR for The Fellowship of the Ring as compared to the original soundtrack album, and more cutting brass sound of the CR for The Two Towers as opposed to its original soundtrack release), and sometimes they are completely different approaches to the same material. Sometimes the original soundtrack album represents what appears in the theatrical version of the film while the Complete Recordings has the extended version, such as the sequence in Fellowship of the Ring during which the Fellowship leaves Lórien (the theatrical version is one of my favorite pieces of music from the trilogy, but then again, so is the gift-giving scene).

It happens to be one of the more interesting aspects of this musical milieu to me; there is so much variation even within the same cue. If you factor in the Rarities Archive CD included in Doug Adams' book The Music of the Lord of the Rings Films, you sometimes have three or more interpretations of the same scene.

 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2012 - 9:25 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)


This is particularly true of the muted choir on the CR for The Fellowship of the Ring as compared to the original soundtrack album,

This is what caught my attention most of all and why I started to question what exactly was I listening to on the CR. While I love a lot of the additional music on the CR I am a bit disappointed in the choir. Though over all the box set is outstanding and I made a really good fan edit running just under two hours. But I'm glad I brought this up because it reaffirms why I should keep the OST's. They remain my favorite interpretations of the scores over all. Especially ROTK.

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2012 - 2:27 PM   
 By:   FarTraveler   (Member)

Is it the entire scores as heard in the films, recording sessions before they were edited into the films, or the composers own re-interpretation of the scores?

Also I noticed some "glitches" on "2-14 Balin's Tomb". Is there a known problem with this track? Or perhaps its just on my disc? ( I haven't tried reimporting it yet)


I recall having trouble with Balin's Tomb as well. I think I had to do AccurateRip on several computers; from there, I think I may have used Audacity to clean out a "click" or to. I now forget what.

 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2012 - 3:00 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Is it the entire scores as heard in the films, recording sessions before they were edited into the films, or the composers own re-interpretation of the scores?

Also I noticed some "glitches" on "2-14 Balin's Tomb". Is there a known problem with this track? Or perhaps its just on my disc? ( I haven't tried reimporting it yet)


I recall having trouble with Balin's Tomb as well. I think I had to do AccurateRip on several computers; from there, I think I may have used Audacity to clean out a "click" or to. I now forget what.


Thanks for the reply. I had to take it into WavePad, find those "clicks" and delete them. Which wasn't easy!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 24, 2012 - 4:52 PM   
 By:   ChristianKühn   (Member)

I think CD 2 is faulty as in: a pressing error, seeing as the problem is so specific. I had problems with importing "Balin's Tomb" almost seven years ago...I believe Windows Media Player finally succeeded, at the slowest reading speed. I can't hear anything in the track now, but I'm bemused that the same problem seems to keep recurring. Odd.

 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2012 - 4:40 AM   
 By:   danbeck   (Member)

I think CD 2 is faulty as in: a pressing error, seeing as the problem is so specific. I had problems with importing "Balin's Tomb" almost seven years ago...I believe Windows Media Player finally succeeded, at the slowest reading speed. I can't hear anything in the track now, but I'm bemused that the same problem seems to keep recurring. Odd.

I had problems importing both Balin's Tomb and The Nazgul, I believe it has something to do with the media used, the CR CDs are much more light in weight than most of my other CDs and are much more transparent. I initially had to use the DVD as source of these tracks for importing and only managed to obtain a "click free" CD import when I changed my computer morr recently and imported it at a very slow speed a few times. Now I ripped a looseles version just to be sure, as I'm still afraid that the CD content may vanish as it happened with some older Cds.

 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2012 - 4:51 AM   
 By:   Perky_Norm   (Member)

Sorry - duplicate post.

 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2012 - 4:51 AM   
 By:   Perky_Norm   (Member)

Didn't have any problems with mine - I used XLD on a Mac though which uses its own inbuilt ripping routines, then compares with accuraterip.

The only problem I had with the sets, was with The Two Towers high-res disc. It's marketed as 24/48, but if you own a DAC which is capable of actually displaying the true bit-depth (as opposed to the 'wrapper' it's contained in, which will say 24/48) you'll see that it's 22-bit, 48 kHz. Doesn't make much difference at the end of the day (I cannot hear any obvious quality differences between the three high-res sets), but it is a legit production fault...

 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2012 - 8:26 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Appears there is a manufacturer defect with that one disc then. Thxs to all who responded.

I'm working on The Two Towers now. I'm pretty underwhelmed with disc one. Its ok, but for the most part its just underscore. TTT doesn't seem to have the overall thematic thrust FOTR had. This surprises me because I recall each score improving over the last.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2012 - 10:37 AM   
 By:   ChristianKühn   (Member)

I agree with you that T2T is the "draggiest" of the trilogy, but even so it is much better than other composers' music at its best. I never had only problems with enjoying CD 1, most of the stuff that kinda passes me by is on CD 2. Maybe because it's mostly "simmering tension" than any outright thematic explosions, but some of the early Rohan material and almost all of the Ent music is not as involving as the earlier and especially the later parts of T2T.

The choral ferocity of "Glamdring" is an eternal favourite and the quiet despair running through the entire score is something I find very enticing (yes, I realize how that sounds). But the almost non-stop battle music on CD 3 is a constant joy to listen to; the orchestra must've been exhausted by the end of those sessions!

CK

 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2012 - 10:52 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I certainly agree with you on the highlights of the score. I remember enjoying TTT OST far more than I am the SC, at least thus far. I just started listening to disc two.

 
 Posted:   May 6, 2013 - 9:59 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Just watched the extended edition of Fellowship of the Rings. There is an exceptionally long suite played as the fan club names are presented on screen. Is that suite available? Is there a breakdown of music used for that particular part of the end credits? I'm assuming it was a post production audio job, not an original composition. confused

 
 Posted:   May 6, 2013 - 10:10 AM   
 By:   mstrox   (Member)

It was created editorially - here's a really nice write-up

http://www.amagpiesnest.com/cbc_analysis/fotr/fcredit_music.htm

 
 Posted:   May 6, 2013 - 10:23 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

It was created editorially - here's a really nice write-up

http://www.amagpiesnest.com/cbc_analysis/fotr/fcredit_music.htm


Thxs much!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2013 - 9:24 AM   
 By:   johnjohnson   (Member)

Are the complete recordings still available?

 
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