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 Posted:   Nov 29, 2012 - 11:17 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

[EDIT 4/7/17: Though not part of the original Prometheus series, the latest Tadlow Goldsmith recording has been announced for May release -- a tantalizing disc of premiere suites from six of his best Thriller episode scores:
http://www.tadlowmusic.com/2017/03/thriller-jerry-goldsmith/
Reconstructionist Leigh Phillips not only performed his usual duties on this release, but also helped fund the recording as co-producer, so he deserves even more than his usual thanks.]

It was revealed in this thread that Hour of the Gun is excitingly the "first in a series of newly recorded complete classic scores composed by Jerry Goldsmith":
http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=93010&forumID=1&archive=0

Now I know that it's annoying when we just keep asking for the next thing and ignore what's already done, but that's actually why I decided to start this thread, so that there's a place for people to come with their wish lists so they don't overwhelm the actual threads devoted to these releases.

The three releases so far in this series have been magnificent: Hour of the Gun, The Salamander, and QB VII, the latter two of which were high on my list in this very post before they came out. Here's my wish list of other Goldsmith scores which deserve the complete treatment (but tapes are lost for the original tracks):

1. Black Patch / Face of a Fugitive -- His first two theatrical scores, both westerns, would make a great doubleheader as I'm pretty sure the original tapes haven't survived. James Fitzpatrick has confirmed that the original written scores exist in the Academy archives so minimal reconstruction would be required, rendering this a much less expensive project than The Salamander or QBVII which had to be done by ear from the films' composite audio tracks.

2. Babe (1995) -- Apparently this score was about 90% written when the film was re-edited to be less dark (I think it's still pretty dark in spots, and one of my favorite childhood movies) and Goldsmith's contribution was abandoned in favor of a score by Nigel Westlake featuring prominent adaptation of a theme from Camille Saint-Saens's Symphony No. 3 ("Organ"). I would desperately like to hear what Goldsmith originally wrote, and as it seems as if this never progressed to the recording stage, there is the possibility here of presenting a true Goldsmith premiere! An advantage for this score is that it would require little reconstruction, as it was revealed by Scott Bettencourt to exist in the Academy's Margaret Herrick Library:
http://filmscoremonthly.com/daily/article.cfm/articleID/7443/Film-Score-Friday-4716/

3. The Public Eye -- Mike Ross-Trevor who participated with Goldsmith on the recording of this other rejected score has claimed that it was in a "dark Chinatown" vein. Sadly the whereabouts of the original recording are unknown, but Scott Bettencourt in the above Film Score Friday column revealed that this score also exists in written form in the Jerry Goldsmith Music Sketches of the Margaret Herrick Library.

4. The Kid -- the third unused score specifically mentioned in the above-linked column by Scott as surviving in written form, whether or not it ever progressed to the recording stage. For me, premieres of never-before-heard Goldsmith compositions would be even more important than preserving in standalone music form scores of his which can currently only be heard on the film composite tracks.

5. The Chairman -- James and Luc already want to do this one complete, but the hold up is that Fox hasn't granted them access to the original written scores in their possession.

6. Under Fire -- I know many would question this but I'd still love to have the *complete* score AND I'd be very happy if acoustic instruments were given the synth lines as personally they grate on me in this otherwise fantastic score.

7. Ransom / The Terrorists -- I know Luc loves this score and it deserves a better presentation.

8. High Velocity -- Same deal; of course I'd love it if the original recording of this existed as it's a personal favorite of mine.

9. Shamus / Pursuit -- While I originally left this off my list (though others included them below in this thread), I recently read the following comment from Lukas Kendall a couple years ago: "I love this era of Goldsmith's 'mod' writing--'Border Crossing' from The Last Run is a prime example. Unfortunately two of the better scores in this style, Shamus and the ABC TV movie Pursuit, are kaput as far as master tapes." I'd been holding out hope that the original tapes survived and Intrada might get around to them but it seems unlikely. I think they'd make a great two-fer, rerecorded, and James Fitzpatrick has said on more than one occasion that capturing the 70s flavor or synths would not at all be a problem on a re-recording when some people expressed doubts.

10. In Harm's Way / General with the Cockeyed Id -- Of course if original tracks show up for In Harm's Way I'd prefer to get the original, but Intrada looked and could find them (it was one of their earliest releases after the Paramount vaults opened up, so maybe more stuff has been found now?) General with the Cockeyed Id would fill out the disc nicely and while there's a poor sounding boot I'm not sure who owns the rights to release the original tracks.

As an honorable mention: would anyone besides me buy re-recordings of his lost TV music for Barnaby Jones or The Waltons? The latest Tadlow release of Thriller shows that episodic TV scores are also possible contenders.

In addition to my top 10 list, I'd like to also highlight Jeff Bond's below suggestion of The Satan Bug -- "The interesting thing about The Satan Bug is the cues that feature the hard-to-reproduce electronics are already quite well-represented on the FSM album, and in great sound. The big orchestral showpieces in the score don't really feature electronics at the forefront and I'd love to see someone take a crack at rerecording them"

What does YOUR Goldsmith re-recording wish list look like?

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2012 - 11:22 AM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

I would buy anything with words Jerry Goldsmith on the cover, but speaking about some particular favorites, complete re-recording of QB VII would be simply marvelous. There are others too, which are probably lost and re-recording them is the only way we may all finally hear them - if I remember correctly there were some piano elements/overdubs missing for Peter Proud - that would be definitely fine to have re-recorded if there is no other way to hear it...
Damnation Alley would be nice too, but it's probably too minor score to justify expensive re-recording.
Or complete score from SECONDS.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2012 - 11:33 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

I would buy anything with words Jerry Goldsmith on the cover

Good move by Tadlow - make a pile of money with a Goldsmith series, then use it to fund something I'd like!

smile

 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2012 - 11:35 AM   
 By:   T.J. Turner   (Member)

Doctor Zhivago - Maurice Jarre

Land of the Phaorohs - Dimitri Tiomkin

A Summer Place - Max Steiner

Hey what if they recorded the original Star Wars Trilogy?

 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2012 - 11:39 AM   
 By:   Tester   (Member)

I would buy most of the Goldsmith scores that have been released in mono or with mixed mono / stereo tracks. The Satan Bug should be a very good candidate, the FSM archival edition is horrible (not their fault)

 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2012 - 11:48 AM   
 By:   T.J. Turner   (Member)

I would buy most of the Goldsmith scores that have been released in mono or with mixed mono / stereo tracks. The Satan Bug should be a very good candidate, the FSM archival edition is horrible (not their fault)

Yes I was going to mention the Cassandra Crossing, which is in mono.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2012 - 12:08 PM   
 By:   DavidCorkum   (Member)

Personally, I don't think I've liked a re-recording. They almost never have the same personality or flavor of the original. Even Goldsmith himself, in his concert work and a few other projects, could never quite get them to have the same quality of his original recordings. Goldsmith's work in particular was dependent on the specific orchestration and conducting done at the time. It rarely seems reproducible. They're like an English translation of another language.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2012 - 12:14 PM   
 By:   paul rossen   (Member)

Complete....IN Harm's Way.

 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2012 - 12:39 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

I would like a new recording of The Omen.

Played entirely on kazoos by the rare Vietnamese Tonkin snub-nosed monkey. The vocals will be done by Harlan Ellison, screaming at someone at a comic book convention.

I want it to have a 38 page liner note insert that folds out into a gatefold poster, a pop-tent, a hat, a unicorn and a life-sized bust of Adlai Stevenson.

It should be encased in a 16 karat gold CD case, etched by monks by the full of the harvest moon in the lower regions of Polonnaruwa but only while facing north.

It should be limited to three copies. I should own all of them.

 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2012 - 1:28 PM   
 By:   Glenn Butler   (Member)

I would like a new recording of The Omen.

Played entirely on kazoos by the rare Vietnamese Tonkin snub-nosed monkey. The vocals will be done by Harlan Ellison, screaming at someone at a comic book convention.

I want it to have a 38 page liner note insert that folds out into a gatefold poster, a pop-tent, a hat, a unicorn and a life-sized bust of Adlai Stevenson.

It should be encased in a 16 karat gold CD case, etched by monks by the full of the harvest moon in the lower regions of Polonnaruwa but only while facing north.

It should be limited to three copies. I should own all of them.


I have seen a copy of The Omen in a used CD bin, so...

 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2012 - 1:31 PM   
 By:   Glenn Butler   (Member)

1. QB VII -- there's so much in this epic score, endless inventive variations on the themes you know from the short LP.

I recently heard this LP for the first time. I'd jump on board any new release in a hot second.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2012 - 1:33 PM   
 By:   Jameson281   (Member)

THE LIST OF ADRIEN MESSENGER and Goldsmith's THRILLER scores would be my top priority--but only if the original tapes are lost. (It's looking that way for ADRIEN MESSENGER.)

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2012 - 1:37 PM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)


I have seen a copy of The Omen in a used CD bin, so...



big grin

A nice bit of Bruce-based funpokery!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2012 - 1:55 PM   
 By:   Jon Lewis   (Member)

These would be my top 6:

A disc of suites from Thriller (complete episode scores would be too unwieldy IMO)
QBV III
The Chairman
The General With The Cockeyed Id
Planet Of The Apes
Lionheart (a long suite might be adequate here)

I would say Adrian Messenger but it seems almost certain to come out from Varese

 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2012 - 1:57 PM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

Legend... with acoustic instruments taking the synth parts.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2012 - 1:58 PM   
 By:   Jon Lewis   (Member)

That's a great idea.

 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2012 - 1:58 PM   
 By:   Loren   (Member)

I'd like a re-recording of Planet of the Apes, Capricorn One and Total Recall.
I've always desired to listen to them performed by some other orchestra.

Just think about Capricorn One performed in a "barbarian mood" by some Santa Cecilia Orchestra, Unione Musicisti di Roma Orchestra, or... Prague Orchestra!

 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2012 - 2:01 PM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)

I hope they stick to scores that are considered lost or that currently sound horrible, otherwise I'd be hard pressed to buy a Goldsmith rerecordings; you can't beat the originals.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2012 - 2:06 PM   
 By:   Jon Lewis   (Member)

For the record, my 'that's a great idea' was when Basil's post suggested Supergirl. Now that he edited it to suggest Legend, I'm not in as strong agreement. The garish synths in Legend work (just) whereas in Supergirl you just want them to go away.

 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2012 - 2:09 PM   
 By:   Loren   (Member)

I forgot to add in my wish-list a re-recording of THE FINAL CONFLICT and SECRET OF NIMH.
These I'd buy at light-speed.
(give me different chorus performances!)

 
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