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 Posted:   Feb 4, 2013 - 10:30 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

A sequel to my Goldsmith thread here:
http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=90657&forumID=1&archive=0

UPDATE: The Hunt for Red October is out in complete form. Hoooray!

Over the past several years we've had a lot of great Poledouris expansions/remasterings/perfectionist tweakings. Intrada's recent complete White Fang, Flight of the Intruder and Conan the Barbarian (with Destroyer confirmed as coming up this year...hopefully including the Sword and Sorcery Spectacular original recording), Tadlow's complete rerecordings of the two (three) Conan scores, and LLL getting into the fray too with everything he recorded for Breakdown...

HOWEVER...at some point soon the labels are going to run out of Poledouris scores to "definitiveize"...right? So what's left to grab?

For the moment let's set aside all of the Varese-released 90s Poledouris scores desperately in need of expansion, because apparently only they can do those (and frustratingly don't seem to be in any hurry to do so)....so scratch off
Kimberly
For Love of the Game
Starship Troopers
It's My Party (can anyone confirm if this was complete? I sort of assume it was since it was just solo piano...)
Under Seige 2: Dark Territory
On Deadly Ground
Robocop 3 (since they released Die Hard 2 I have more hope of Varese doing this and Silvestri's Predator 2)
Hot Shots! Part Deux
Wired (not positive on this one as it's 1989)

That leaves us with:

Bunyan and Babe -- reportedly he began work on this and it was going to be finished by a protege, if the film actually ever comes out. Admittedly details are sketchy but if Kamen's Back to Gaya got a release maybe this has an outside chance. Would probably be on MovieScore Media like the aforementioned album and Basil's last completed score which they also released (I think it may have been their fastest sell out): The Legend of Butch and Sundance.

The Touch -- Basil's last theatrical film score (and one of his best, IMO). It did get both a CD and more complete DVD release, both with audio problems. I'd love a definitive complete version but as it's a foreign film from a strange production company I question whether any of our beloved specialty labels could revisit it...
EDIT: I was wrong! BSX was in fact able to license this wonderful score so we're getting a version with decent liner notes (in English!) as well as improved sound quality (hopefully from original tapes!) Their version has the three brief "bonus tracks" available on the old DVD edition; can anyone confirm that this was in fact the complete score and there is no more music to make this more definitive? If so I'll remove it from this list.

Love and Treason -- Intrada released a Varese style 34 minute program at the very tail end of their old MAF series in 2001 (right before it switched its focus from more contemporary fare to center more on definitive complete versions of best-selling classics they wanted to make unlimited). This is one of the few titles from those dark days before the Special Collection (or more correctly, the new arrangements with the AFM) to actually still be in print and available on their website, so I wouldn't expect them to expand it any time soon, but in several years' time who knows?

Crocodile Dundee in Los Angeles -- hardly at the top of anyone's want list, but it was his final collaboration with Simon Wincer for whom he wrote some of his best scores...Silva might retain the rights to this in perpetuity.

Cecil B. DeMented -- only a 15 minute promo from Blue Focus Management was ever available so the rights aren't tied up with a record label if any of our beloved labels wants to give this a go...

If These Walls Could Talk 2 -- can anyone confirm if Basil wrote any original music for this TV movie?

Mickey Blue Eyes -- a few cues released on a promo, a few cues on the official Milan soundtrack (with a bunch of songs). LLL has released titles previously on the Milan label, and they've worked with Warner Bros., but does anyone know how much more score of note there is?

Les Miserables -- One of my top Poledouris wants, in fact quite possibly my favorite Poledouris score! We all know how disappointing the original album on Mandalay/Hollywood Records was -- not the greatest sound quality, poor packaging (the track lengths were totally off), and the score lumped into four lengthy "suites" making it difficult to go to your favorite cue (even though I admit it's certainly not a problem to sit through the whole score!) This, perhaps his last true *masterpiece*, absolutely deserves a definitive presentation with more manageable tracks, remastered sound, great packaging and liner notes! Since the album is owned by Disney it is Intrada we must look to, as Doug recently confirmed they can do Hollywood Records stuff (specifically mentioning Goldsmith's Ghost and the Darkness).

Switchback -- as this was the very first in Intrada's Special Collection series, can anyone confirm if it was the complete score (because I don't believe it was Intrada's standard practice to release it yet at that point)?

The War At Home -- a 22 minute promo was released; whether or not there's any other music I'm sure Intrada could tackle it at some point (it's Disney-owned)

Celtic Pride -- ditto

Amanda -- can anyone confirm that the Prometheus release is the complete score?

Zoya -- Poledouris only wrote the theme for this; no idea if it's complete but his contribution is probably all included on the existing CD...

Free Willy 2: The Adventure Home -- a wonderful score and the Free Willy score most in need of expansion because the Sony/Epic album included less than 10 minutes of Poledouris (just 3 cues)! This would be a great release for Intrada or LLL as they both work with Sony and the film company Warner Bros. HOWEVER, if my wish could be granted we would actually see a complete Free Willy score set from the Varese Club (like their Karate Kid set), as they retain rights in perpetuity to the wonderful Free Willy 3 score by Cliff Eidelman and that's probably the only way we'd ever see it expanded from its 28 minute album!

Lassie -- as this was also a Sony album (Paramount film this time) we can look to LLL and Intrada again.

Serial Mom -- the original score release was horribly plagued by dialogue but this is a fun and energetic orchestral score by Poledouris; as the original album was on MCA I think Intrada is probably our best bet for a facelift...

The Jungle Book -- This is tricky because while the film was Disney (exclusively Intrada territory) the album was on Milan. Not sure if Milan regularly retained rights in perpetuity but I'm pretty sure LLL is the only label to have expanded scores previously released on that label...which isn't to say Intrada couldn't manage it!

Free Willy -- same situation as the sequel score, but at least almost half an hour of Poledouris was included on the song/score release for this one, rather than less than 10 minutes! Still, I dearly hope it can get a complete and remastered version, and since they are both on Sony and both are Warner Bros. films, if Varese doesn't tackle all three as I wish the two Poledouris scores would probably still make a nice two disc album from either Intrada or LLL...no need to license any Michael Jackson for us, guys!

Wind -- can anyone confirm that the Citadel/BSX releases of this are in fact the complete recorded score? I suspect they are and if confirmed I will remove this title from the list

Ned Blessing -- a lost Poledouris western score for a TV movie that aired on CBS...I wonder who actually owns the rights? A very intriguing unreleased score possibility. Has anyone heard it?

Harley Davidson and the Marlboro Man -- the score is totally unreleased but I wonder if the existing soundtrack album (all songs) on Mercury Records would complicate release of this score. Otherwise, I think MGM owns the rights so this could pretty much come from anybody...Intrada, LLL, Quartet, Kritzerland, Music Box, MSM...

Return to the Blue Lagoon -- aside from a shoddy unmentionable this lovely title is completely unreleased. It's Columbia-owned, so most likely something a big label like LLL, Intrada, or Varese (in the Club) might put out.

Kill or Be Killed, Why Me? -- anyone familiar with these two TV movies Basil is credited with at Soundtrack Collector?

Lonesome Dove -- expanded once on Christopher Franke's Sonic Images label, we probably won't be getting any more of the OST recording as it was apparently plagued with performance problems, and like Conan the Destroyer Basil wanted certain cues left off because he felt they were too embarrasing. Still, you never know...and I for one would flip out if Tadlow/Prometheus followed up their two Conan albums with a definitive re-recording of this, probably Basil's most well known non-Conan music!

Nasty Boys, L.A. Takedown, Split Decisions, Intrigue, Island Sons, Prison for Children -- another few mysterious credits at Soundtrack Collector and/or IMDb...anyone heard (of) them?

No Man's Land -- released more than once (on Varese and Prometheus, the latter paired with Cherry 2000) but always in the original album configuration. This is pretty low on my list since it's a not-terribly-attractive all synth score and who knows if anything else survives from it?

Amerika -- Prometheus released a lenghty CD of this several years ago but as it was a long miniseries perhaps there is more significant music unreleased?

The Twilight Zone -- the 80's incarnation had great scores by almost as many beloved composers as Spielberg's Amazing Stories! They similarly came from both the old and the new guard: in addition to Poledouris, we had Robert Folk, J.A.C. Redford, Craig Safan, William Goldstein, a pre-TNG Dennis McCarthy, Robert Drasnin, and Morton Sevens! Maybe Intrada could tackle this series next and especially include everything Poledouris wrote for the show?

Misfits of Science -- another TV show (about superheroes, apparently) for which Poledouris is credited on a couple episodes including the pilot. Universal produced so maybe a slim chance of Intrada doing it?

Alfred Hitchcock Presents -- another reincarnated TV show (Universal) for which Poledouris at least scored the pilot; other notable composers included Peter Bernstein, Michel Colombier, Ken Wannberg, Hummie Mann, and a young Thomas Newman!

Murphy's Law, Pros & Cons, The Sheriff and the Astronaut, Protocol, Amazons, and Single Bars, Single Woman -- can anyone fill me in on these obscure credits (unreleased)?

Making the Grade -- unlikely to be expanded beyond the Varese LP program, later reissued in their Club series.

Summer Lovers -- a couple cues released on the Warner Bros. Records album...I wonder if LLL might release the complete score to this MGM-owned film?

Trust Me, Defiance, Dolphin -- anyone?

The Blue Lagoon -- Twilight Time released this on Blu-ray with an isolated score track. Can anyone who has it comment on the sound quality and any unreleased music? It'd be great if a label could released a definitive version on CD as the existing album is only a little over half an hour.

What do people know/have heard of Poledouris's pre-Big Wednesday work like Extreme Close-Up (1973)?

There is probably some other Poledouris TV work I'm missing, plus bits and pieces like short films, theme park ride scores and the Tradition of the Games music he wrote for the 1996 Olympics...it'd certainly be great to see (hear) all of it if someone can figure out how to give it to us.

If I've made any errors or omissions please reply and I'll be only too happy to update this post.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2013 - 11:13 AM   
 By:   Buscemi   (Member)

Why Me? was a film (that did play theatrically) that he was attached to but it's not known if he recorded anything.

On Wired: this was a film that had very little score (it was mostly a song-driven film) and the Varese album more than likely has the entire score.

On The Jungle Book: Disney only held domestic rights and the film began as an independent production. I'm guessing the soundtrack rights had been sold before Disney got involved as domestic distributor and co-financier.

 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2013 - 11:19 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Interesting. I wonder who holds The Jungle Book rights if not Disney. Anyway, it's a fantastic score so I hope someone tackles a complete version!

Thanks for the info on the other two titles. The Varese Wired ST has almost 8 minutes of Poledouris (3 cues I think) -- are we sure this is all he recorded?

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2013 - 11:42 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Interesting. I wonder who holds The Jungle Book rights if not Disney. Anyway, it's a fantastic score so I hope someone tackles a complete version!


Milan is still marketing the soundtrack as a download through Amazon. The film itself was produced by a company called Vegahorn Europe, its only known production.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2013 - 11:52 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Here are two posts from the DVDizzy.com website regarding RUDYARD KIPLING'S THE JUNGLE BOOK:

"In the Library of Congress Copyright Office records database one can observe that the screenplay, novelization and soundtrack is having only Vegahorn Europe B.V as its sole listed owner. Strangely enough the actual motion picture record cannot be found there. But on my Region 2 Disney DVD Vegahorn Europe B.V is listed as the copyright holder."

"I was looking at the end of the credits, not on the physical disc or package. B.V. actually stands for Besloten Vennootschap - a private limited liability company in the Netherlands."

 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2013 - 12:18 PM   
 By:   billiosis   (Member)

I know I'm in the minority here. But why does EVERYTHING need to be expanded and complete. Honestly.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2013 - 12:25 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Ned Blessing -- a lost Poledouris western score for a TV movie that aired on CBS...I wonder who actually owns the rights? A very intriguing unreleased score possibility. Has anyone heard it?


"Ned Blessing: The True Story of My Life" was a 1992 TV movie produced by a company called Wittliff / Pangaea (its only known production) in association with Hearst Entertainment Productions. It has been issued on DVD by licensee Echo Bridge Entertainment. The copyright on the film is held by Hearst Entertainment Productions, Inc. & Bill Wittliff. Hearst describes itself on its website as follows:

"Hearst Entertainment has an extensive award-winning movie library, representing the work of more than 75 top independent producers in more than 250 films. Featured are many of today’s leading performers, such as Brad Pitt, Kirsten Dunst, Shannen Doherty, Lorraine Bracco, Ron Silver, Shelley Long, Angie Harmon, Linda Hamilton, Daniel Baldwin [NOTE: Baldwin starred in NED BLESSING], Mercedes Ruehl, Keri Russell and Ally Sheedy. Also featured in Hearst Entertainment’s library is an animation catalog of over 600 half hours of programming including such classic characters as Popeye, Flash Gordon, Phantom, Prince Valiant, Betty Boop and Blondie."



 
 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2013 - 12:33 PM   
 By:   Disco Stu   (Member)

For the moment let's set aside all of the Varese-released 90s Poledouris scores desperately in need of expansion, because apparently only they can do those (and frustratingly don't seem to be in any hurry to do so)....so scratch off

Under Seige 2: Dark Territory


I bought that one at reduced price from SAE and it's one of the best bargain soundtracks to date. Every time I play it (and it's quite a lot, and quite frequently) it grabs me more.
The score as is is nice and consise so I'm not in a desparate need but if there's more, I sure would like to find out on the off chance that it's as great a revelation and addition as the STV expanded edition was.

Now having seen the list above, I found out how little I have of Poledouris, and there was me thinking I already had quite a lot. Even so I dare to put that for me "Under siege 2" was superior in entertainment value in both music and film to "Under siege 1", and that it's THE best Poledouris of the 90s. A fool is he/ she who can get that soundtrack but won't.

D.S.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2013 - 12:50 PM   
 By:   Michael24   (Member)

There was a lot of great stuff left off Under Siege 2. That's an expansion I've been waiting for for a long time, and I'd buy it in a heartbeat. One of the best '90s action scores.

Interesting information about The Jungle Book, that it started out as an independent production. I have the DVD and will have to give the commentary another listen sometime to see if Stephen Sommers talks about that.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2013 - 1:13 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Kill or Be Killed, Why Me? -- anyone familiar with these two TV movies Basil is credited with at Soundtrack Collector?


There is a 1990 film called "Why Me?" starring Christopher Lambert and Kim Griest, directed by Gene Quintano. The score is credited to Phil Marshall, a long-time composer for films and television. The film went straight to video in the U.S.

"Kill Or Be Killed" is an alternate title for a 1990 Universal TV movie called "Nasty Boys, Part 2: Lone Justice," which starred Dennis Franz. Its composer is not identified.

"Nasty Boys" was a 1989 Universal TV movie about a special undercover police unit starring William Russ and Benjamin Bratt. When it was made into a short-lived TV series in 1990, Benjamin Bratt and Dennis Franz were part of the cast. Neither the TV movie nor the series has any composer identified.

 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2013 - 1:59 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

If These Walls Could Talk 2 -- can anyone confirm if Basil wrote any original music for this TV movie?

He did a score, and it was barely kept, they called in another composer who did a score to replace his.

Yes, information claimes he did a score which was not used on "Why Me?, but I've yet to find confirmation.

Basil is credited with the score in episodes of "Nasty Boys". I didn't find the credits to every episode, but he's credited with most of them.


Trust Me, Defiance, Dolphin -- anyone?

No idea about the first one, but the second is a rejected score, and the third is a yet-to-be identified short film. I can vuch for reasons I can't say on this board, to the third one.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2013 - 2:06 PM   
 By:   Shock-Wave   (Member)

Great post Yavar. I'm crossing my fingers for a proper complete release to Red October & Les Miserables by Intrada. I'm guessing since both Free Willy 1 & 2 sdtks were released by epic, I'd say a 2-CD set would be possible.

Either Intrada or LLL could do a combo The War At Home & Celtic Pride?

Don't forget harley davidson and the marlboro man.

 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2013 - 2:17 PM   
 By:   Buscemi   (Member)

Why Me? did play in theatres, Bob. I live in one of the markets that played the film theatrically (it was a regional release) and Variety has box office totals for it.

Meanwhile, I do know of a film called Trust Me that Elmer Bernstein had a rejected score but I don't know if Basil was called in before Pray for Rain was.

 
 Posted:   Feb 4, 2013 - 2:50 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I know I'm in the minority here. But why does EVERYTHING need to be expanded and complete. Honestly.

It doesn't. I don't think I made any such claim; in fact I was noticeably less than eager for expansions of Crocodile Dundee in L.A., No Man's Land, etc. -- I just think it's appropriate to note if something isn't complete and *could* be improved upon.

Certainly there are many things that don't need to be expanded/complete but certain composers I feel warrant the treatment more than others.

There are probably only a handful of composers for whom I'd consider myself a "completist" and like Goldsmith, Poledouris is one of them. Even his least distinguished stuff I find interesting. I'll probably only do a few more similar threads after these two, but what's the harm done if people like me want to go through his filmography with a fine-toothed comb?

Great post Yavar. I'm crossing my fingers for a proper complete release to Red October & Les Miserables by Intrada. I'm guessing since both Free Willy 1 & 2 sdtks were released by epic, I'd say a 2-CD set would be possible.

Yes, that'd be great. But still I'd be sad not to get my Free Willy 3 expansion... smile

Either Intrada or LLL could do a combo The War At Home & Celtic Pride?

Since as I noted those are Disney owned (I'm pretty sure) it would have to be Intrada.

Don't forget harley davidson and the marlboro man.

Don't think I did...I'm not familar with the score but it is for Simon Wincer!

Yavar

P.S. Thanks Buscemi, Justin Boggan, and especially Bob DiMucci (you're just a wealth of information)!

 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2013 - 3:10 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I forgot to mention this recent thread discussing potential Poledouris rejected scores:
http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=94193&forumID=1&archive=0

I'm sure we'd all be excited for many of those...particularly if he wrote any material for Young Black Stallion!

So if you had to pick a top 5 wish list, what would yours be?

Mine:
1. Les Miserables complete
2. The Hunt for Red October complete
3. Lonesome Dove complete re-recording
4. Free Willy 1/2 complete
5. The Blue Lagoon (plus Return if possible) complete

Of course if I expand my wish list to include Varese titles I suppose Starship Troopers maybe Robocop 3 complete might have to bump things off the list...and I'd really flip for a new version of The Touch but I suspect that's even less likely than Varese DEs are...

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2013 - 4:45 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

(in alphabetical order)
Blue Lagoon, Jungle Book, Lassie, Les Miserables, and Lonesome Dove


Blue Lagoon especially really needs a remastering, if nothing else.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2013 - 7:02 PM   
 By:   nitzschemorricone   (Member)

Summer Lovers -- a couple cues released on the Warner Bros. Records album...I wonder if LLL might release the complete score to this MGM-owned film?

Sure would be nice. Unless there is a chunk of material written for the film, which didn't make the final cut, there isn't going to be a lot for a full album, but it would fit well in conjunction with another MGM property.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2013 - 7:05 PM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

I'm surely in the minority, but I strongly prefer Conan the Destroyer to Barbarian. I can't wait for the former's expansion.

 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2013 - 8:56 PM   
 By:   Buscemi   (Member)

Summer Lovers -- a couple cues released on the Warner Bros. Records album...I wonder if LLL might release the complete score to this MGM-owned film?

Sure would be nice. Unless there is a chunk of material written for the film, which didn't make the final cut, there isn't going to be a lot for a full album, but it would fit well in conjunction with another MGM property.


The ideal pairing with Summer Lovers would be Paradise, a similar (and much worse) film scored by Canadian composer Paul Hoffert.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2013 - 5:38 AM   
 By:   Shock-Wave   (Member)

The Hunt for Red October complete
Les Miserables complete
Free Willy 1/2 complete (2 CD set)
Jungle Book
The Touch


Yeah I am not going to mention the Varese releases either.

 
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