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 Posted:   Jun 13, 2013 - 3:30 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

I notice many John Scott scores have a classical music feel to them. They are quite lovely so it got me wondering what composers he draws from the most? Are there certain major classical pieces that have been inspirations for specific scores?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2013 - 3:47 PM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

Aah, it always puts a smile on my face knowing this BRILLIANT composer is so loved on this board...

I heard one recent board member refer to him as "The Ravel of Film Music", and I think this is spot on. GREYSTOKE, KING KONG LIVES, his COUSTEAU scores and JULES VERNE ADVENTURES certainly are inspired by the sumptuous tonalities of Ravel's DAPHNIS ET CHLOE.

I also sense some Respighi (but what classically-trained film composer wasn't influenced by him at least a little?), Strauss, Delius as well - One of his secondary themes from WINTER PEOPLE seems to be heavily-inspired by a motif from the first movement of Delius' FLORIDA SUITE.

He also occasionally references Rozsa's film music as well, and a few others have pointed on that the title theme from YOR seems to be copped from Beethoven's 6th symphony.

His more "British"-sounding scores (SHOOTING PARTY, THE LAST VICEROY, ENGLAND MADE ME. MILL ON THE FLOSS) seems to be inspired largely by the "light music" composers of the 20th century as well on occasion.

All this said, I do believe that John Scott is one of the greatest composers to ever live, film or otherwise. He's just freaking brilliant and his musicianship is so damn good that it's totally spoiled my love of other film composers who just... can't... write as well as him, even if they're still really good.

He's the "full package" - Brilliant themes, orchestrations, hooks, thematic integration, action cues, versatility.

I can't sing his praise highly enough!

 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2013 - 4:30 PM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

Hey!

He just quoted YOR!



BTW, John Scott rules!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2013 - 5:58 PM   
 By:   Kari Tuhkanen   (Member)

I would like to add to bobbengan´s impressive list few composers that come to mind immediately, when talking about incredible John Scott. Firstly Debussy. Scott´s sea music is, while highly original, influenced at least subconsciously by French master´s music, especially La Mer and Nocturnes. Walton´s influence (particularly his 1st Symphony) is perceptible for example in Jules Verne Adventures in its more energetic pieces and Vaughan Williams´ in many of his pastoral scores (Shooting Party, The Scarlet Tunic, The Mill on the Floss). And of course Holst´s (King Kong Lives, Greystoke).
I don´t think there are particular inspirations for specific scores though. Scott is his own man and what a brilliant man he is! Also for me easily one of the greatest in all music. He hasn´t spoiled my love of other film composers, but very few come near him and nobody surpasses. Like I said, Ravel of film music!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2013 - 6:22 PM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

Easy to like his scores, just a unique solid composer. Too bad instead of scoring 60 or so movies, like others he didn't score over a hundred scores, Are we sure it was him who scored INSEMINOID?

 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2013 - 6:46 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

If any of those reading enjoyed Williams War Horse, I cannot more highly recommend Scott's Shergar. Similar in that Celtic / English tone with some great dramatic cues and one blistering action cut towards the end.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 1:41 AM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

I would like to add to bobbengan´s impressive list few composers that come to mind immediately, when talking about incredible John Scott. Firstly Debussy. Scott´s sea music is, while highly original, influenced at least subconsciously by French master´s music, especially "La Mer" and "Nocturnes". Walton´s influence (particularly his 1st Symphony) is perceptible for example in "Jules Verne Adventures" in its more energetic pieces and Vaughan Williams´ in many of his pastoral scores ("Shooting Party", "The Scarlet Tunic", "The Mill on the Floss"). And of course Holst´s ("King Kong Lives", "Greystoke").
I don´t think there is particular inspirations for specific scores though. Scott is his own man and what a brilliant man he is! Also for me easily one of the greatest in all music. He hasn´t spoiled my love of other film composers, but very few comes near him and nobody surpasses. Like I said, Ravel of film music!


D'oh! How could I have forgotten Vaughn Williams? Yea, lots of him in SCARLET TUNIC and MILL ON THE FLOSS. You can hear that awesome rhythm setter from Holst's "Mars" in KING KONG LIVES, but Greystoke might be a stretch.

Debussy is definitely someone you can throw in there too indeed, and I might add Elgar as well.

 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 2:23 AM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

He's of a breed that flourished in UK TV and film in the 1970s, many of whom never became famous to that level.

His style is definitely English, but not in any copycat fashion.

He did use Tchaikovsky in a straight lift for one of the main motifs in 'Antony and Cleo' so that's an influence, I suppose.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 4:05 AM   
 By:   Kari Tuhkanen   (Member)

Oops, must have associated it to the original Greystoke trailer, which used Holst´s Mars in it! And of course King Kong Lives has been influenced by that other English master and Mars particularly. That said, many composers are fond of Holst´s Neptune movement from The Planets; there are traces of it in Scott´s Cousteau music. And speaking of Scott´s documentary music, you can´t forget VWs London and Antartica symphonies (Cousteau, To the Ends of the Earth).

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 4:08 AM   
 By:   Kari Tuhkanen   (Member)

If any of those reading enjoyed Williams War Horse, I cannot more highly recommend Scott's Shergar. Similar in that Celtic / English tone with some great dramatic cues and one blistering action cut towards the end.

Yes, another partly Vaughan Williams-influenced score (Oboe Concerto). It has some beautiful music in it. I especially like the brief moment at the end of Discovering Pegasus. Pure magic!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 11:58 AM   
 By:   Kari Tuhkanen   (Member)

I forgot to mention music very similar to Greystoke and that is Frank Bridge´s The Sea Suite. If you haven´t heard it yet, you are in for a treat! Marvellous music!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 5:19 PM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

He's of a breed that flourished in UK TV and film in the 1970s, many of whom never became famous to that level.

His style is definitely English, but not in any copycat fashion.

He did use Tchaikovsky in a straight lift for one of the main motifs in 'Antony and Cleo' so that's an influence, I suppose.


Which theme/motif? I've heard this before but I've never been sure what exact piece in either respective work they've been referring to.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 5:21 PM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

I forgot to mention music very similar to "Greystoke" and that is Frank Bridge´s "The Sea Suite". If you haven´t heard it yet, you are in for a treat! Marvellous music!

I've had the "Sea Suite" of Bridge's for a few years; I've only given it a few cursory listens though. Maybe time for a closer look!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 5:23 PM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

If any of those reading enjoyed Williams War Horse, I cannot more highly recommend Scott's Shergar. Similar in that Celtic / English tone with some great dramatic cues and one blistering action cut towards the end.

Yes, another Vaughan Williams-influenced score (Oboe Concerto). It has some beautiful music in it. I especially like the brief moment at the end of "Discovering Pegasus". Pure magic!


I love this. I'm so glad to hear love for SHERGAR, and indeed that little woodwind flourish at the end of "Discovering Pegasus" is what separates Scott from his peers. Truly ASTOUNDING attention to detail. I regard Shergar as his last great score before last year's release of THE WICKER TREE, a wonderful return to form for Scott.

According to IMDBPro he's attached to score a few upcoming films as well, let's just hope they go through with his music still attached!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2013 - 5:23 PM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

If any of those reading enjoyed Williams War Horse, I cannot more highly recommend Scott's Shergar. Similar in that Celtic / English tone with some great dramatic cues and one blistering action cut towards the end.

Yes, another Vaughan Williams-influenced score (Oboe Concerto). It has some beautiful music in it. I especially like the brief moment at the end of "Discovering Pegasus". Pure magic!


I love this. I'm so glad to hear love for SHERGAR, and indeed that little woodwind flourish at the end of "Discovering Pegasus" is what separates Scott from his peers. Truly ASTOUNDING attention to detail. I regard Shergar as his last great score before last year's release of THE WICKER TREE, a wonderful return to form for Scott.

According to IMDBPro he's attached to score a few upcoming films as well, let's just hope they go through with his music still attached!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2013 - 2:24 AM   
 By:   Kari Tuhkanen   (Member)

Shergar the last great score of Scott´s before The Wicker Tree? Surely you must have forgotten Jules Verne Adventures and silent films Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde and Robin Hood? Let´s face it, even though I haven´t heard a note from Robin Hood (as well as Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde), well, John Scott + Robin Hood = ...

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2013 - 2:07 PM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

"Shergar" the last great score of Scott´s before "The Wicker Tree"? Surely you must have forgotten "Jules Verne Adventures" and silent films "Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde" and "Robin Hood" ? Let´s face it, even though I haven´t heard a note from "Robin Hood" (as well as "Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde"), well, John Scott + Robin Hood = ...

Gah! For some reason I thought Jules Verne Adventures was older than that. I LOVE those scores. Haven't heard Robin Hood or Dr. Jeckyll/Mr. Hyde, but good grief... I can only imagine how good THOSE are. ANyone familiar with either work around here?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2013 - 2:33 PM   
 By:   Kari Tuhkanen   (Member)

Robin Hood was composed in 2006-2007 and has so far been performed live two times accompanying the picture (in Nottingham and London).
Scott had this to say in recent interview: ‘I didn’t want to be compared with Korngold. But then I thought, I’m not going to copy Korngold. I’m just going to write a score that I believe in...’ ‘With a silent film the music never stops, so it was a relentless process...´ ` It’s a swashbuckler. There’s adventure music, baddy music and romance.’
Where, oh where, is the soundtrack for this?!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2013 - 3:29 PM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

"Robin Hood" was composed in 2006-2007 and has so far been performed live two times accompanying the picture (in Nottingham and London).
Scott had this to say in recent interview: ‘I didn’t want to be compared with Korngold. But then I thought, I’m not going to copy Korngold. I’m just going to write a score that I believe in...’ ‘With a silent film the music never stops, so it was a relentless process...´ ` It’s a swashbuckler. There’s adventure music, baddy music and romance.’
Where, oh where, is the soundtrack for this?!


Haha indeed!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2013 - 3:39 PM   
 By:   Kari Tuhkanen   (Member)

I realise that it hasn´t been recorded; only two live performances. How many have ever heard it? Such a waste.

 
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