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Nov 10, 2013 - 11:57 AM
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ToneRow
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Here's my compilation data (so far) of 20th century 'serious' composers of Hungarian lineage.
Name Date of Birth Date of Death
Kadosa, Pal Sunday, September 06, 1903 Wednesday, March 30, 1983
Seiber, Matyas Thursday, May 04, 1905 Saturday, September 24, 1960
Farkas, Ferenc Friday, December 15, 1905 Tuesday, October 10, 2000
Veress, Sandor Friday, February 01, 1907 Wednesday, March 04, 1992
Rozsa, Miklos Thursday, April 18, 1907 Thursday, July 27, 1995
Mihaly, Andras Wednesday, November 07, 1917 Sunday, September 19, 1993
Jardanyi, Pal Friday, January 30, 1920 Friday, July 29, 1966
Ligeti, Gyorgy Monday, May 28, 1923 June 12th, 2006
Kurtag, Gyorgy Friday, February 19, 1926
Sary, Laszlo Monday, January 01, 1940
Jeney, Zoltan Thursday, March 04, 1943
Eotvos, Peter Sunday, January 02, 1944
Vidovsky, Laszlo Friday, February 25, 1944
Tihanyi, Laszlo 1956
Does any FSM member believe that Miklos Rozsa will be the Hungarian composer remembered the most in posterity?
Will, instead, Gyorgy Ligeti be the name most likely to represent musical composition?
Do you think the music of Matyas Seiber or Sandor Veress will ever increase in distribution and/or popularity (insofar as absolute music can ever be deemed popular)?
Does the conducting career of Peter Eotvos overshadow his compositions?
Who has heard the film music of Andras Mihaly or Laszlo Vidovsky?
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Does any FSM member believe that Miklos Rozsa will be the Hungarian composer remembered the most in posterity?
We absolutely all do! Never heard of any of those other people.
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I sure hope so!
But I'm afraid all of them will be forgotten 
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I've dipped into Eotvos, Tone. I find it all quite hypnotic and stimulating at the same time. But us (not you) film-music-nutters would only actually ever consider listening to it all (much less buying it) if it were the score for a horror film. Such are we (me).
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Nov 10, 2013 - 5:57 PM
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Ludwig van
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Does any FSM member believe that Miklos Rozsa will be the Hungarian composer remembered the most in posterity?
Will, instead, Gyorgy Ligeti be the name most likely to represent musical composition?
Good questions. Probably right now, more people have heard of Ligeti than Rozsa, but posterity has a funny way of changing who's remembered the most. In the classical world, Franz Schubert was very little known during his lifetime (hell, his monumental 9th symphony wasn't even played until years after his death!), but has since become one of the best-known composers of early Romanticism. Conversely, big stars can fade with time. Georg Philipp Telemann, for example, was huge during the Baroque period but has since been superseded by Bach and Handel. (If you're saying "who the heck was Telemann" right now, you're proving my point.)
Classical music has the advantage of music programs around the world that teach students the names of "important" composers. Film music is only just now starting to gain steam in music programs, but I think it will be some time before it makes its way into standard textbooks, if that indeed happens. So at present, most people who know the names of film composers have probably gone out of their way to learn them, whereas most students who take music courses will learn about Ligeti. So Ligeti probably wins. But we all know who the best Hungarian composer of the 20th century was. 
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Probably right now, more people have heard of Ligeti than Rozsa, but posterity has a funny way of changing who's remembered the most. ... Classical music has the advantage of music programs around the world that teach students the names of "important" composers. Film music is only just now starting to gain steam in music programs, but I think it will be some time before it makes its way into standard textbooks, if that indeed happens. So at present, most people who know the names of film composers have probably gone out of their way to learn them, whereas most students who take music courses will learn about Ligeti. So Ligeti probably wins. But we all know who the best Hungarian composer of the 20th century was.
I own CD recordings of almost all of Ligeti's compositions, but Lontano, Atmospheres, Requiem and Lux Aeterna remain the only ones that I really ever listen to.
At any rate, unless there's a sudden decline in interest in 20th century cinema in the 21st century, more people will be exposed to the music of Miklos Rozsa than that of Gyorgy Ligeti. It must be remembered that Ligeti's music came into prominence in the late '60s and '70s very much as a result of his music being prominently featured in the films "2001: a space odyssey" and "The Shining."
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Nov 11, 2013 - 4:46 PM
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Alfachrger
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My vote is for Ligeti.
http://www.gyorgy-ligeti.com/
performances:
11/11/2013
Concert Românesc for Orchestra
Tonkünstler-Orchester NiederAustria
Conductor: Hugh Wolff
Festspielhaus, St. Pölten, Austria
12/11/2013
Concert Românesc for Orchestra
Tonkünstler-Orchester NiederAustria
Conductor: Hugh Wolff
Musikverein, Wien, Austria
14/11/2013
Arc-en-ciel (Étude 5 from "Études pour piano, Premier livre")
En Suspens (Étude 11 from "Études pour piano, Deuxième livre")
Concerto for Piano and Orchestra
Asko|Schönberg Ensemble
Conductor: Reinbert de Leeuw
Muziekgebouw, Amsterdam, Netherlands
15/11/2013
Concerto for Violin and Orchestra
Deutsche Radio Philharmonie Saarbrücken Kaiserslautern
Conductor: Zsolt Nagy
Großer Sendesaal, Saarbrücken, Germany
15/11/2013
Concert Românesc for Orchestra
Norrköpings Symfoniorkester
Conductor: Antony Hermus
Konserthus, Stockholm, Sweden
16/11/2013
Le Grand Macabre Opera in four scenes
Conductor: Frank Beermann
Oper, Chemnitz, Germany
16/11/2013
Melodies for Orchestra
LandesJugendEnsemble Neue Musik Schleswig-Holstein
Radialsystem, Berlin, Germany
16/11/2013
Lux Aeterna
Conductor: Ron Dirk Entleutner
Gewandhaus, Leipzig, Germany
17/11/2013
Concert Românesc for Orchestra
Sinfonietta 92
Conductor: Catherine Larsen-Maguire
Grunewaldkirche, Berlin, Germany
17/11/2013
String Quartet No 2
St Pauls Hall, Huddersfield, England
21/11/2013
Concert Românesc for Orchestra
Uppsala Kammarorkester
Conductor: Paul Mägi
Konsert & Kongress. Stora salen, Uppsala, Sweden
23/11/2013
Atmosphères for large Orchestra
Orqueta Sinfonica Portuguesa
Conductor: Peter Rundel
Porto, Portugal
24/11/2013
Concert Românesc for Orchestra
Sinfonietta 92
Conductor: Catherine Larsen-Maguire
Philharmonie, Kammermusiksaal, Berlin, Germany
25/11/2013
Chamber Concerto for 13 Instrumentalists
neophon ensemble
Conductor: Konstantin Heuer
Hochschule für Musik und Theater, Rostock; Germany
28/11/2013
Concerto for Violin and Orchestra
San Fransisco Popyphony for Orchestra
BBC Scottish Symphony Orchestra
Conductor: Ilan Volkov
Royal Festival Hall, London, England
29/11/2013
Poème Symphonique
Anhaltische Philharmonie Dessau
Conductor: Daniel Carlberg
Bauhausbühne, Dessau, Germany
30/11/2013
Mysteries of the Macabre
Britten Sinfonia
Saffron Hall, Saffron Walden, England
02/12/2013
Poème Symphonique
Anhaltische Philharmonie Dessau
Conductor: Daniel Carlberg
Bauhausbühne, Dessau, Germany
02/12/2013
Concerto for Piano and Orchestra
ensemble oktopus für musik der moderne
Conductor: Konstantia Gourzi
Reaktorhalle, München, Germany
04/12/2013
Six bagatelles from „Musica ricercata“
Philharmonie, Kammermusiksaal, Berlin, Germany
04/12/2013
Concerto for Piano and Orchestra
Detmolder Kammerorchester
Conductor: Alfredo Perl
Konzerthaus der Hochschule für Musik, Detmold, Germany
04/12/2013
String Quartet Nr. 2
Sonata for Violoncello solo
Ramifications for string orchestra or 12 solo strings
Schauspielhaus, Stuttgart, Germany
08/12/2013
Continuum
Two Studies for Organ
Conductor: Michael Schmidtsdorff, Saison 2013/14
Nationaltheater, München, Germany
08/12/2013
Sonata for Viola solo
Philharmonie, Essen, Germany
13/12/2013
Chamber Concerto for 13 Instrumentalists
Orchestre des Lauréats du Conservatoire
Conductor: Zsolt Nagy
Conservatoire, Salle M. Fleuret, Paris, France
14/12/2013
Continuum
Two Studies for Organ
Conductor: Michael Schmidtsdorff, Saison 2013/14
Nationaltheater, München, Germany
19/12/2013
String Quartet Nr. 2
Sonata for Violoncello solo
Ramifications for string orchestra or 12 solo strings
Schauspielhaus, Stuttgart, Germany
31/12/2013
Articulation
University of Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland
10/01/2014
Le Grand Macabre Opera in four scenes
Conductor: Frank Beermann
Oper, Chemnitz, Germany, Germany
12/01/2014
Le Grand Macabre Opera in four scenes
Conductor: Frank Beermann
Oper, Chemnitz, Germany, Germany
14/01/2014
Le Grand Macabre Opera in four scenes
Conductor: Frank Beermann
Oper, Chemnitz, Germany, Germany
18/01/2014
Le Grand Macabre Opera in four scenes
Conductor: Frank Beermann
Oper, Chemnitz, Germany
18/01/2014
String Quartet Nr. 1, Métamorphoses nocturnes
Cité de la musique, Amphithéâtre, Paris, France
22/01/2014
Concerto for Violin and Orchestra
Münchner Philharmoniker
Conductor: Philippe Jordan
Philharmonie im Gasteig, München, Germany
23/01/2014
Concerto for Violin and Orchestra
Münchner Philharmoniker
Conductor: Philippe Jordan
Philharmonie im Gasteig, München, Germany
24/01/2014
Lontano for large Orchestra
hr-Sinfonieorchester
Conductor: David Afkham
hr-Sendesaal, Frankfurt/Main, Germany
25/01/2014
Concerto for Violin and Orchestra
Münchner Philharmoniker
Conductor: Philippe Jordan
Philharmonie im Gasteig, München, Germany
26/01/2014
Concerto for Violin and Orchestra
Münchner Philharmoniker
Conductor: Philippe Jordan
Philharmonie im Gasteig, München, Germany
05/02/2014
Six bagatelles from „Musica ricercata“
Burghof, Forbach, France
06/02/2014
Trio
Hall One, King's Place, London, England
07/02/2014
Concert Românesc for Orchestra
Bruckner Orchester Linz
Conductor: Daniel Spaw
Stadttheater, Wels, Austria
14/02/2014
Clocks and Clouds for 12 voice womens’ choir and Orchestra
NDR Sinfonieorchester - Damen des NDR Chores
Conductor: Brad Lubman
Rolf-Liebermann-Studio, Hamburg, Germany
15/02/2014
Három Weöres-dal (Three songs based on texts by Sándor Weöres for voice and piano)
NDR Chor
Conductor: Philipp Ahmann
Rolf-Liebermann-Studio, Hamburg, Germany
22/02/2014
Concerto for Piano and Orchestra
Ensemble intercontemporain
Conductor: Pablo Heras-Casado
Auditorium, Salle Dutilleux, Bordeaux, France
25/02/2014
Musica ricercata per pianoforte
Philharmonie, Salle de Musique de Chambre, Luxembourg, Luxemburg
04/03/2014
String Quartet Nr. 1, Métamorphoses nocturnes
Philharmonie, Salle de Musique de Chambre, Luxembourg, Luxemburg
05/03/2014
String Quartet Nr. 1, Métamorphoses nocturnes
Wigmore Hall, London, England
06.03.0214
Concert Românesc for Orchestra
Philharmonisches Orchester Plauen-Zwickau
Conductor: Tobias Engeli
Neue Welt, Zwickau, Germany
07/03/2014
Concert Românesc for Orchestra
Philharmonisches Orchester Plauen-Zwickau
Conductor: Tobias Engeli
Vogtlandtheater, Plauen, Germany
15/03/2014
Hungarian Rock
Chaconne
Poème Symphonique
Conductor: Peter Eötvös
Auditorium Rainier III, Monte Carlo, Monaco
20/03/2014
Six bagatelles from „Musica ricercata“
Milton Court Concert Hall, London, England
21/03/2014
Melodies for Orchestra
Bamberger Symphoniker
Conductor: Jonathan Nott
Forum, Leverkusen, Germany
25/03/2014
Continuum
Rolf-Liebermann-Studio, Hamburg, Germany
06/04/2014
Six bagatelles from „Musica ricercata“
Musiikkitalo, Helsinki, Finland
10.04.0214
Six bagatelles from „Musica ricercata“
Nordische Botschaften, Felleshus, Berlin, Germany
11/04/2014
Chamber Concerto for 13 Instrumentalists
Ensemble intercontemporain
Conductor: Bruno Mantovani
Cité de la musique, Salle des concerts, Paris, France
12/04/2014
Continuum
Two Studies for Organ
Conductor: Michael Schmidtsdorff, Saison 2013/14
Nationaltheater, München, Germany
19/04/2014
Atmosphères for large orchestra
Berliner Philharmoniker
Conductor: Simon Rattle
Festspielhaus, Baden Baden, Germany
20/04/2014
Atmosphères for large orchestra
Berliner Philharmoniker
Conductor: Simon Rattle
Festspielhaus, Baden Baden, Germany
01/05/2014
Atmosphères for large orchestra
SO des Bayerischen Rundfunks
Conductor: Mariss Jansons
Philharmonie, Munich, Germany
01/05/2014
Arc-en-ciel (Étude 5 from "Études pour piano, Premier livre")
Asko|Schönberg Ensemble
Conductor: Reinbert de Leeuw
Muziekgebouw, Amsterdam, Netherlands
01/05/2014
Concert Românesc for Orchestra
Lontano for large Orchestra
SWR Sinfonieorchester Baden-Baden und Freiburg
Conductor: François-Xavier Roth
Rheingoldhalle, Mainz, Germany
02/05/2014
Concert Românesc for Orchestra
SWR Sinfonieorchester Baden-Baden und Freiburg
Conductor: François-Xavier Roth
Graf-Zeppelin-Haus, Friedrichshafen, Germany
02/05/2014
Atmosphères for large orchestra
SO des Bayerischen Rundfunks
Conductor: Mariss Jansons
Philharmonie, Munich, Germany
03/05/2014
Clocks and Clouds for 12 voice womens’ choir and Orchestra
Bamberger Symphoniker - SWR Vokalensemble Stuttgart
Conductor: Jonathan Nott
Philharmonie, Köln, Germany
04/05/2014
San Francisco Polyphony
WDR Sinfonieorchester Köln
Conductor: Jonathan Stockhammer
Philharmonie, Köln, Germany
07/05/2014
Concerto for Violin and Orchestra
Ensemble intercontemporain
Conductor: Matthias Pintscher
Philharmonie, Köln, Germany
09/05/2014
Concert Românesc for Orchestra
Lontano for large Orchestra
SWR Sinfonieorchester Baden-Baden und Freiburg
Conductor: François-Xavier Roth
Konzerthaus, Freiburg, Germany
11.05.0214
Lontano for large Orchestra
SWR Sinfonieorchester Baden-Baden und Freiburg
Conductor: François-Xavier Roth
Philharmonie, Köln, Germany
14/05/2014
Atmosphères for large Orchestra
Robert-Schumann-Philharmonie
Conductor: Pedro Halffter Caro
Stadthalle, Chemnitz, Germany
15/05/2014
Atmosphères for large Orchestra
Robert-Schumann-Philharmonie
Conductor: Pedro Halffter Caro
Stadthalle, Chemnitz, Germany
18/05/2014
Six bagatelles from „Musica ricercata“
Turm der Ginsburg, Hilchenbach, Germany
18/05/2014
Atmosphères for large orchestra
SO des Bayerischen Rundfunks
Conductor: Mariss Jansons
Carnegie Hall, New York, USA
29/05/2014
Études pour piano Premier livre
Études pour piano Deuxième livre
Études pour piano Troisième livre, cahier I
Wigmore Hall, London, England
05/06/2014
Six bagatelles from „Musica ricercata“
Staatstheater, Darmstadt, Germany
26/06/2014
Ramifications for string orchestra or 12 solo strings
Stuttgarter Kammerorchester
Conductor: Matthias Foremny
Liederhalle, Stuttgart, Germany
05/07/2014
Continuum
Two Studies for Organ
Conductor: Michael Schmidtsdorff, Saison 2013/14
Nationaltheater, München, Germany
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Yes, but only one concert outside of Europe (in Carnegie Hall), featuring the relatively familiar (to U.S. audiences) orchestral work Atmosphères, and played not by an American orchestra, but by a German orchestra (SO des Bayerischen Rundfunks).
Ligeti remains very much a European phenomenon.
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well, I know who will be the best remembered JEWISH Hungarian composer
(no, t'aint Mike)
bruce
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Here's my compilation data (so far) of 20th century 'serious' composers of Hungarian lineage.
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Ligeti, Gyorgy Monday, May 28, 1923 June 12th, 2006
Whatever you say.
Though I consider Ligeti more a Romanian composer than Hungarian since he was born and studied in Transylvania.
He was a vampire too!
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