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 Posted:   Jun 21, 2013 - 2:06 PM   
 By:   Hector da Lima   (Member)

I have this rare 2 CD soundtrack (and other rare CD) on sale at Ebay right now. This is brand new, and still sealed.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MIAMI-VICE-THE-COMPLETE-COLLECTION-JAN-HAMMER-2002-2CD-MEGA-TOP-RARE-OOP-/261229958842?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_212&hash=item3cd284d6ba

ost_fan

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 1, 2013 - 8:23 AM   
 By:   jacky   (Member)

Sorry for the one who bought that but the one offered on Ebay is a fake pressing, look at this listing:
http://www.discogs.com/Jan-Hammer-Miami-Vice-The-Complete-Collection/release/4511633

Please be aware!!!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 1, 2013 - 1:31 PM   
 By:   riotengine   (Member)

I have this rare 2 CD soundtrack (and other rare CD) on sale at Ebay right now. This is brand new, and still sealed.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MIAMI-VICE-THE-COMPLETE-COLLECTION-JAN-HAMMER-2002-2CD-MEGA-TOP-RARE-OOP-/261229958842?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_212&hash=item3cd284d6ba

ost_fan


Yes, these are obviously bootlegs/fakes. Don't get suckered.

Greg Espinoza

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 1, 2013 - 1:47 PM   
 By:   jacky   (Member)

I think this seller has a lot of explaining to do to the buyer as this is what he wrote in this particular add:
"I sell only original CDs. No CDR or fakes".

Also he have another copy for sale at this moment, what are the odds! His feedback is on Private mode so how much do you think he already sold for real

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 3, 2013 - 1:36 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Guys, what was the tipoff that this was a fake?

According to the Discogs entry it lacks a "Made In Canada" note on the back cover. I don't see how that necessarily makes it a fake. Is it not possible that a US pressing exists?

(Discogs is a tremendous resource, but they are not 100% accurate all the time.)

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2013 - 11:59 AM   
 By:   jacky   (Member)

Guys, what was the tipoff that this was a fake?

According to the Discogs entry it lacks a "Made In Canada" note on the back cover. I don't see how that necessarily makes it a fake. Is it not possible that a US pressing exists?

(Discogs is a tremendous resource, but they are not 100% accurate all the time.)


Call it a hunch...no serious, i know what you mean but i strongly believe there is only one official release that is why it is out of print allready for a long time, these are the points this offer is suspicious:

-Guy has set his feedback on private,
-Guy has another (sealed!) set for sale, i thought these sets are rare (some feedback seems to be refering to this set but i cannot proof that),
-Indeed the lack of "Made in Canada" on the back of the cover as clearly seen on the picture,
-Sorry to say but Poland, Russia and Berlin are places were these counterfeits are born,
-the point that this guy who started this topic 4 days ago is not responding to our messages to defend these arguments is also not right

do you really need to know more??

The fact is there are fakes got out in the open, and the internet like Ebay and Amazon are full of it, why should this be an exception??

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2013 - 12:05 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Call it a hunch...no serious, i know what you mean but i strongly believe there is only one official release that is why it is out of print allready for a long time, these are the points these offers are suspicious:

-Guy has set his feedback on private,
-Guy has another (sealed!) set for sale, i thought these sets are rare (some feedback seems to be refering to this set but i cannot proof that),
-Indeed the lack of "Made in Canada" on the back of the cover as clearly seen on the picture,
-Sorry to say but Poland and Russia are places were these counterfeits are born,
-the point that this guy who started this topic is not responding to our messages is also not right

do you really need to know more??

The fact is there are fakes got out in the open, and the internet like Ebay and Amazon are full of it, why should this be an exception??



My copy is the Canadian pressing, so I have no worries about that. But what I object to is the spread of misinformation, deliberate or otherwise.

Yes, I agree that there is some cause for suspicion here, but suspicion is not proof.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2013 - 12:11 PM   
 By:   riotengine   (Member)

Guys, what was the tipoff that this was a fake?

According to the Discogs entry it lacks a "Made In Canada" note on the back cover. I don't see how that necessarily makes it a fake. Is it not possible that a US pressing exists?

(Discogs is a tremendous resource, but they are not 100% accurate all the time.)


Considering that the CD is way out-of-print, and based on the scarcity of this item, it seems unlikely that the seller could come up with *multiple and sealed* copies of the Miami Vice CD.

Yes, and as a seller, this looks pretty damned suspicious to me.

Greg Espinoza

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2013 - 12:22 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Guys, what was the tipoff that this was a fake?
According to the Discogs entry it lacks a "Made In Canada" note on the back cover. I don't see how that necessarily makes it a fake. Is it not possible that a US pressing exists?
(Discogs is a tremendous resource, but they are not 100% accurate all the time.)

Considering that the CD is way out-of-print, and based on the scarcity of this item, it seems unlikely that the seller could come up with *multiple and sealed* copies of the Miami Vice CD.
Yes, and as a seller, this looks pretty damned suspicious to me.
Greg Espinoza



My comments aren't so much about the eBay seller as they are about accepting information on a website like Discogs as gospel. For as reliable as Discogs usually is (and I use it almost every day) one must remember that the Discogs database, like Wikipedia, displays contributions from the public and is therefore subject to errors from time to time.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2013 - 12:32 PM   
 By:   jacky   (Member)

Guys, what was the tipoff that this was a fake?
According to the Discogs entry it lacks a "Made In Canada" note on the back cover. I don't see how that necessarily makes it a fake. Is it not possible that a US pressing exists?
(Discogs is a tremendous resource, but they are not 100% accurate all the time.)

Considering that the CD is way out-of-print, and based on the scarcity of this item, it seems unlikely that the seller could come up with *multiple and sealed* copies of the Miami Vice CD.
Yes, and as a seller, this looks pretty damned suspicious to me.
Greg Espinoza



My comments aren't so much about the eBay seller as they are about accepting information on a website like Discogs as gospel. For as reliable as Discogs usually is (and I use it almost every day) one must remember that the Discogs database, like Wikipedia, displays contributions from the public and is therefore subject to errors from time to time.


These points are given by me tells the complete story but i know what you mean, i cannot believe it either that these fakes are produced and copied this good but this thing is so rare these days that it is not very strange they reproduced it and they are making money now on these fakes like crazy, Saw on a fair a few years ago a reproduction of Cherry 2000 (Basil Poledouris) Varese Club release copied this good you couldn't tell the difference between the real thing, everything looked in place but it had no handwritten number on the back, the guy had about 10 of them sealed!
It would not surprise me if these are the same guys who brought this Miami Vice cd's on to the market!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2013 - 12:41 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

These ponts are given by me tells the complete story but i know what you mean, i cannot believe either that these fakes are produced and copied this good but this thing is so rare these days that it is not very odd they reproduced it and they are making money now on these fakes like crazy, my only concern is when they will shut down this topic.


Agreed.

As to shutting down the topic, I prefer to think that threads like this one in particular provide a service to the buyers that sometimes need a little help in weeding out the bad from the good. But I quite willingly concede to the mods' decision in these cases.

 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2013 - 12:44 PM   
 By:   Althazan   (Member)

-Guy has set his feedback on private,
-Guy has another (sealed!) set for sale, i thought these sets are rare (some feedback seems to be refering to this set but i cannot proof that),
-Indeed the lack of "Made in Canada" on the back of the cover as clearly seen on the picture,
-Sorry to say but Poland and Russia are places were these counterfeits are born,
-the point that this guy who started this topic is not responding to our messages is also not right

do you really need to know more??

The fact is there are fakes got out in the open, and the internet like Ebay and Amazon are full of it, why should this be an exception??


I know this guy a little. Yes, I'm from Poland as well. I don't want to defend him, but I have to say something.
Why he's not responding? It's so hard to imagine, that not everyone knows english to write without any problems? Yes, maybe hard to believe, but it happens.
I asked him about those CDs. He testified he bought a few copies of Miami Vice recently from the seller from UK. Yes, from the UK, not from Poland or Russia, which are "counterfeits birthplace" wink
Hard to believe? Check the story of Predator counterfeits, which were born in UK as well a few years ago.

He is confused as well, I suggested him take off the auction, but I don't know what he's going to do, I don't know him so well.

The second thing. I have Miami Vice Complete in my collection also. I bought it on eBay about 5-6 years ago from the US seller (not a private seller, it was a quite big store). I doesn't have "Made in Canada" on the back cover, but I don't think it's a fake. Additional, the inside back insert is not white, as written on Discogs entry. So what - it's another counterfeit?
More, I bought my copy sealed and it had additional sticker on the top of CD (standard white american sticker with title and catalogue number). The whole CD didn't look "brand new", the seal looked old, it was wrinkly and had a small torn. I can simply suppose, this is american release. But obviously "polish counterfeits theory" is easier and more mainstream...

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2013 - 12:49 PM   
 By:   jacky   (Member)

The English of the topicstarter seems more than fine to me.
It says enough that the price of this Miami vice set is going down at this moment because of this "new" release!

 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2013 - 12:52 PM   
 By:   Althazan   (Member)

The English of the topicstarter seems more than fine to me.

Do you know, that such phrases can be easily copied, do you? smile
Look at his auctions descriptions and look at mine auctions descriptions - maybe he likes to copying because he don't know english enough?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2013 - 2:30 PM   
 By:   riotengine   (Member)

My comments aren't so much about the eBay seller as they are about accepting information on a website like Discogs as gospel. For as reliable as Discogs usually is (and I use it almost every day) one must remember that the Discogs database, like Wikipedia, displays contributions from the public and is therefore subject to errors from time to time.

I never looked at the Discogs site, myself. I have sold a couple of the Miami Vice sets, and locally, (I'm in the SF bay area) I have only seen a few over the years in these parts. never a sealed one.

Greg Espinoza

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2013 - 2:40 PM   
 By:   Hector da Lima   (Member)

I read with interest Your opinions and what do you have to explain? I bought the CDs in UK as mentioned Althazan. I bought them in a store, not by private seller. The disc is original, it is not a fake. I collect CDs for many, many years and I think that I can distinguish the original from the fake.

Discogs description? It is revieved and only true source of information?

I'm from Poland and I am a collector - not fake, CDR or counterfeit seller.

jacky

"Poland, Russia and Berlin are places were these counterfeits are born" - think about what you're saying, man. I wonder where are you from, I'm sure there would be a few stereotypes about YOUR country.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 4, 2013 - 3:14 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

I read with interest Your opinions and what do you have to explain? I bought the CDs in UK as mentioned Althazan. I bought them in a store, not by private seller. The disc is original, it is not a fake. I collect CDs for many, many years and I think that I can distinguish the original from the fake.
Discogs description? It is revieved and only true source of information?



This is the point I was trying to make. Discogs is usually quite thorough. But it can't always provide documentation of every single worldwide variant of a release. Different territories can often have small differences in the packaging. Variations in color and annotation often exist legitimately, depending on the territory of origin.

Greg, I'm curious if the copies you got in SF have the "Made In Canada" note on the back.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2013 - 12:13 PM   
 By:   riotengine   (Member)


Greg, I'm curious if the copies you got in SF have the "Made In Canada" note on the back.


I sold those years ago, but I kept copies of the liner inserts, which do not list Canada as the country of manufacture.

Greg Espinoza

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2013 - 10:35 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Greg, I'm curious if the copies you got in SF have the "Made In Canada" note on the back.


I sold those years ago, but I kept copies of the liner inserts, which do not list Canada as the country of manufacture.
Greg Espinoza



Hmm. That's interesting. And thank you for replying, Greg.

(If the question of legitimacy is hinging on the "Made In Canada" notation, then I would still maintain that the charge of being unauthorized does not hold up. Universal and One Way are primarily American companies so it would stand to reason that there was more than only a Canadian pressing, regardless of what is listed on Discogs. My guess is that all the pressings are American, but that a portion of those had inserts that were merely printed in Canada.)

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 9, 2013 - 12:14 PM   
 By:   jacky   (Member)

Greg, I'm curious if the copies you got in SF have the "Made In Canada" note on the back.


I sold those years ago, but I kept copies of the liner inserts, which do not list Canada as the country of manufacture.
Greg Espinoza



Hmm. That's interesting. And thank you for replying, Greg.

(If the question of legitimacy is hinging on the "Made In Canada" notation, then I would still maintain that the charge of being unauthorized does not hold up. Universal and One Way are primarily American companies so it would stand to reason that there was more than only a Canadian pressing, regardless of what is listed on Discogs. My guess is that all the pressings are American, but that a portion of those had inserts that were merely printed in Canada.)


The other thing that is holding up this theory is that those re-runs are now suddenly (and out of the blue) available everywhere for absurd prices, like Ebay, amazon, Discogs, and we know how difficult these are to find, did we read anything about an official repress by some label, come on this is FSM for heavens sake? We should know about it some way or another. Is it on Jan Hammer's Website that these have become available again? i don't think so, why are you guys so naive, i really don't get it, even the polish Ebay guy is selling multiple sealed sets how crazy are we, you still believe these are legit?? Come on!! (as we speak: 2 on Ebay; 17 cd sets on Amazon US; 7 sets on amazon UK; 8 sets Amazon France; 2 sets Amazon Germany, that is a lot for a rare cd don't you think?!)

 
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