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 Posted:   Apr 14, 2013 - 12:25 PM   
 By:   Warunsun   (Member)

Greetings folks.

I know there are lots of enterprising folks here and hopefully someone can answer a question/seek out information for us Trek fans.

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is getting released individually on Blu-ray disc on April 30, 2013. Recently there was a fire sale of the boxed set on Amazon with the original cast Blu-rays. Were they unloading these because some of these new releases are may be superior?

According to:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BAXTY62/
"The U.S.S. Enterprise proudly soars again in this newly restored, Director's Edition of the original Star Trek movie classic."

This is also listed on the Star Trek.com website:
http://shop.startrek.com/star-trek-the-motion-picture-blu-ray/detail.php?p=448237&v=startrek_media_blu-ray

I believe this is an error and not true. Both listing have a run time listed of 230 Minutes which is not correct for any version of Star Trek: The Motion Picture.

Can anyone here find out for sure? Thanks.

 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2013 - 2:20 AM   
 By:   JimWare   (Member)

The new blu-ray is definitely the theatrical cut.

 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2013 - 6:54 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

The CGI added to the directors cut were not produced in HD. Which is why the original box set had the theatrical version of the film. Unless they secretly redid all the new effects, these can't be the directors cut.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2013 - 8:45 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Well I read the back of the package on bluray.com at

http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Star-Trek-The-Motion-Picture-Blu-ray/19793/

It says that - "for the first time on blu ray" well, that is not true, it was released in the six film box a few years ago. The bottom of this picture states the run time at 131 minutes, which was the original cut. The other comment is correct that they decided to not release the recut film because the effects were in standard def. And as far as I am concerned, I have to disagree with Robert Wise on the recut, ironically, I think that the picture that they rushed to screens in 1979 is actually better than the shorter cut. In any case, the bluray of this film is terrific, sound and picture are really excellent, actually better than any of the five films after it. The widescreen photography is really awesome in the picture.

 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2013 - 8:47 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I don't care for the director's cut either. Then again I almost never do.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2013 - 10:22 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

I don't care for the director's cut either. Then again I almost never do.


Agreed. I have to say after years of trying to like it, I'm just not crazy about it either.

In my opinion, the newer FX seemed a little on the cheap-looking side. "Off-the-shelf" software. And I feel that a lot of the cuts he made were good little character moments... like he was trying to emphasize the action moments in what was never an action movie to begin with. It was an idea movie. So then what's left? Character moments. Emphasize those.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2013 - 11:14 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

I don't care for the director's cut either. Then again I almost never do.


Agreed. I have to say after years of trying to like it, I'm just not crazy about it either.

In my opinion, the newer FX seemed a little on the cheap-looking side. "Off-the-shelf" software. And I feel that a lot of the cuts he made were good little character moments... like he was trying to emphasize the action moments in what was never an action movie to begin with. It was an idea movie. So then what's left? Character moments. Emphasize those.



I thought I was alone in my thoughts about liking the first cut better. I am glad that I am not. There might be something to the first instinct about the film being correct, while it is being made. (I also hated the changes Nick Meyer did to Star Trek 6) I hated the modern effects they added, I loved the long ponderous shots of the Vger cloud and the character moments. Yes, there were some effects boo-boos here and there, but now, that just shows that the effects were not so processed. It is also a terrific point that people say the film is slow and boring and not enough action, well it was not an action movie, no more than the original series was an action-show. If you watch most episodes of the original show they were fairly slow and talkative.

All in all I love the ponderous, sink into your seat and wrap it around you quality of TMP in the original cut. The film was remarkably well made, and comes from different era of film making not so pyrotechnic and low attention span. But I think you could argue that without the score it might not have worked at all. The score holds it together as one whole experience and carries it through the slowness of some scenes. If there is a list of pictures probably saved by the score, this is one for the list.

 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2013 - 11:20 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

The score holds it together as one whole experience and carries it through the slowness of some scenes. If there is a list of pictures probably saved by the score, this is one for the list.

Agree with everything you stated. Especially this.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2013 - 1:18 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

Dear Octoberman,

I'd love to sit down with you some time and watch a side-by-side comparison of the two versions, precisely because my impression of the director's cut is that it restored many valuable character (and philosophical) moments which had initially been ignored or discarded in the rush to get the original version into the theaters.

Preston

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2013 - 1:26 PM   
 By:   Nightingale   (Member)

Yes! Yes! I prefer the original to the "Director's Cut" but my favorite version is the longer TV cut of the film. If they would release that on blu-ray (with the Kirk space-walk scene fixed) I would be one super-happy camper, but don't worry, I'm not holding my breath.

I will defend two scenes from the "Director's Cut" as improved; The scene where the asteroid is destroyed by the photon torpedo and the scene where the second "energy ball" disappears just before it hits the Enterprise.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2013 - 1:40 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Dear Octoberman,
I'd love to sit down with you some time and watch a side-by-side comparison of the two versions, precisely because my impression of the director's cut is that it restored many valuable character (and philosophical) moments which had initially been ignored or discarded in the rush to get the original version into the theaters.
Preston



Reading your post made me realize that I have a tendency to think of the extended VHS version as the theatrical version. Which, of course, I should not do if I'm gonna open my big yap. (I should try harder to remember the exterior scaffold shot in order to keep my head straight about which is which!)

There is one scene that sticks out in particular to me as an example of what I was referring to earlier. There is a scene in the aft observation lounge (where McCoy asks, "How can we be sure about any of us?"). There was a quick shot where McCoy called Kirk twice and Kirk reacted with an impatient "tsk" that Wise eventually cut out. Did that exchange appear ONLY in the extended VHS edition?

Furthermore, can you remember any specific character moments in the Director's Cut that do not appear in the VHS cut? I would be interested in hunting those down to compare. It's been ages since I actually popped in the first DVD edition.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2013 - 1:43 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

I will defend two scenes from the "Director's Cut" as improved; The scene where the asteroid is destroyed by the photon torpedo and the scene where the second "energy ball" disappears just before it hits the Enterprise.


I would totally agree with you, there.

In fact, now that I think a little more intently on it, I would say that most of the new CG shots improved on what existed prior. I say "most" because there are still one or two CG shots that I felt were somewhat less than convincing.

 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2013 - 1:51 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Dear Octoberman,

I'd love to sit down with you some time and watch a side-by-side comparison of the two versions, precisely because my impression of the director's cut is that it restored many valuable character (and philosophical) moments which had initially been ignored or discarded in the rush to get the original version into the theaters.

Preston


If I don't get an invite I'll just have to jump into my telepod and commiserate while walking up the wall. Or across the ceiling.

Seriously, I'm not sure I follow what you mean by all those 'points.' We got to see the Vger vehicle externally from stem to stern; not that important from a 'completeness' pov. I did think that one of the crew was perhaps bored to tears at one point.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2013 - 2:07 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

If I don't get an invite I'll just have to jump into my telepod and commiserate while walking up the wall. Or across the ceiling.


Hey man, the more the merrier.
Commiserate away.
smile

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2013 - 3:33 PM   
 By:   Nightingale   (Member)

Octoberman wrote: "Furthermore, can you remember any specific character moments in the Director's Cut that do not appear in the VHS cut? I would be interested in hunting those down to compare. It's been ages since I actually popped in the first DVD edition."

They show in the D.C. where Ilia leaps out of her navigator seat to assist Checkov (wouldn't want any of my crew doing that in a crisis!) when he gets zapped by his console, is the only one I can think of that was not in the TV extended version or original.

The Director's Cut CGI of the interior of V'ger is not even close to looking like the original.

 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2013 - 3:52 PM   
 By:   Warunsun   (Member)

It is definitely the theatrical cut despite improper information at both Star Trek.com and Amazon.com. frown I found confirmation on Bill Hunt's website http://www.thedigitalbits.com/.

For years all I had access to was the ABC "Special Longer Version" on VHS tape. This was never released on DVD because at that time they did the special Director's Edition. I like the Director's Edition and find it just fine and before the recent sale I never seen the original Theatrical Cut.

Personally, I would like to own all three editions on Blu-ray with the option to watch the one I preferred at the time of viewing. With today's branching technology it is a sin not to offer it. I do understand that the special effects were rendered at 480i. However, did you know that while Enterprise was filmed for HD their special effects for the first several seasons were also done at 480i only. Paramount has now released Enterprise in HD on Blu-ray with those same special effects "up converted" instead of recreated like the original Star Trek series Blu-rays. So it can be done and the new sequences added to the Director's Edition were relatively short.

Anyway, thanks to those who investigated this. Seems I don't need to buy this disc since I just bought it in the recent sale on the master boxed set.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2013 - 4:00 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Oops!
Warunsun, I owe you an apology for the bit of thread-jacking I did earlier. I got a bit too caught up in the side topic of "shot differences". Color me embarrassed.

 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2013 - 4:02 PM   
 By:   Warunsun   (Member)

Oops!
Warunsun, I owe you an apology for the bit of thread-jacking I did earlier. I got a bit too caught up in the side topic of "shot differences". Color me embarrassed.


Nah. It is OK. smile We are all fans here.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2013 - 6:27 PM   
 By:   Nicholas_DW   (Member)

I will defend two scenes from the "Director's Cut" as improved; The scene where the asteroid is destroyed by the photon torpedo and the scene where the second "energy ball" disappears just before it hits the Enterprise.

I guess this is a clear case of everyone having their opinion. I didn't like either of those shots in the "Director's Cut" version. The first time I saw the asteroid blow up with that godawful CGi Enterprise pasted in frame really knocked the wind out of me. The first version of the shot was no kind of gem, but it didn't look like that. And the energy ball just disappearing kind of made that scene anticlimactic. I love the strange, disjointed yet connected shots, in the theatrical cut leading to the shot when the sphere is no longer there. It was a very interesting way to show something disappearing, unlike... just showing it disappear.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 15, 2013 - 8:47 PM   
 By:   Nightingale   (Member)

I will defend two scenes from the "Director's Cut" as improved; The scene where the asteroid is destroyed by the photon torpedo and the scene where the second "energy ball" disappears just before it hits the Enterprise.

I guess this is a clear case of everyone having their opinion. I didn't like either of those shots in the "Director's Cut" version. The first time I saw the asteroid blow up with that godawful CGi Enterprise pasted in frame really knocked the wind out of me. The first version of the shot was no kind of gem, but it didn't look like that. And the energy ball just disappearing kind of made that scene anticlimactic. I love the strange, disjointed yet connected shots, in the theatrical cut leading to the shot when the sphere is no longer there. It was a very interesting way to show something disappearing, unlike... just showing it disappear.


I like the "point-of-view" of those two scenes compared to the original. The CGI quality (or lack there-of) is another matter.

 
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