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 Posted:   May 20, 2013 - 9:24 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

The Doctors:

(1) Tenth Doctor (David Tennant)
(2) Eleventh Doctor (Matt Smith)
(3) Ninth Doctor (Christopher Eccleston)*


Tenth Doctor: Almost a virtual tie between the Tenth and Eleventh Doctor, but Tennant squeaks ahead on the strength of his dramatic performances.

Eleventh Doctor: Smith is an excellent extension of the animated Tenth Doctor. Slightly less convincing when drawing out the wrath of the Time Lord.

Ninth Doctor: *Never saw any of Eccleston's episodes.

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The Companions:

(1) Amy Pond (Karen Gillan) and Rory Williams ( Arthur Darvill)*
(2) Donna Noble (Catherine Tate)
(3) Clara Oswald (Jenna-Louise Coleman)*
(4) Martha Jones (Freema Agyeman)
(5) Rose Tyler (Billie Piper)


Amy Pond: Was engaging, fun, flirtatious, and sympathetic. Though her performances were very convincing and heartfelt. Really felt a bond between Amy and the Doctor. (It doesn't hurt Karen is gorgeous and has a lovely accent.)

*Rory Williams: Should we call him a co-companion? I didn't care for Rory early on. But he developed from a somewhat hapless goofy character, into a man with great fortitude and strength.

Donnna Noble: A close second. She was extremely witty and funny, and most importantly had great chemistry with the Tenth Doctor. I really enjoyed her run as a companion.

*Clara Oswald: Jenna-Louise Coleman seems like a fine actress, but her character has been underwritten thus far. I'm tentatively putting her in the third place. Final ranking TBD.

Martha Jones: Was cute and sassy. More of a light weight, but endearing all the same.

Rose Tyler: To put it kindly I did not care for the actress at all.

 
 
 Posted:   May 22, 2013 - 1:12 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

My list is almost the opposite of yours.

1. Rose Tyler
2. Clara Oswald
3. Martha Jones
4. Donna Noble
5. Amy Pond and Rory Michaels (actually, I think Rory was fine....it was Amy I found rather annoying)

 
 Posted:   May 22, 2013 - 2:53 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Thanks for your post Thor! I was beginning to think this thread would go down with zero feedback.
I know a lot of people found Amy Pond annoying while others thought the series focused to much on her and not enough on the Doctor. I loved the three-some so was quite satisfied with the direction they took.

 
 
 Posted:   May 22, 2013 - 2:59 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Yeah, I know what you mean regarding the infamous "FSM apathy". My recent enthusiatic thread on film music events around the world received one, big, indifferent shrug from the crowd -- to my amazement.

As for Amy, I don't know....there was something that irked me with her. Difficult to put my finger on. But I did like her back story and her role in the whole mythos. That was cleverly written.

I still haven't properly warmed to Matt Smith and Steven Moffat either, but it's better now than in the beginning. It's still a way to go before they reach the excellence of Tennant and Davies, though. In my opinion.

 
 Posted:   May 22, 2013 - 4:46 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Yes, the success of a FSM thread is a crap shoot isn't it?!

I did very much enjoy the David Tennant run. It was he who made me a Doctor Who fan. I enjoyed him so much I was expecting I would be disappointed with the next Doctor. While Smith isn't quite commanding in the dramatics department, I was won over pretty easily much to my surprise.

I really need to watch series one and two. Just there's things about the actress that plays Rose that is off putting for me. But I never really tried to warm up to her either. I need to give her a far chance.

With the way this series is intertwining back story and plot devices makes me want to watch the entire series from the start even more.

 
 
 Posted:   May 23, 2013 - 1:07 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

With the way this series is intertwining back story and plot devices makes me want to watch the entire series from the start even more.

That is exactly what happened to me! Back in April, I wrote this over at maintitles.net:

"....my first encounter with DOCTOR WHO was in the mid 80's. We had a cable television package in our house at the time, with access to Super Channel and Sky Channel. One of these channels occasionally showed old WHO serials. I think it was mostly the Tom Baker years, because I remember his attire and curly hair. I remember tuning in briefly, but it didn't connect with me. Too 'cheap' production values with cardboardy props and whatnot. So I brushed it off as too silly for my taste, even as a young kid, and never visited the franchise again.

Fastforward to 2005, when the series was rebooted. I decided to give it another chance, and after a couple of episodes and getting used to the tone, I was intrigued. I've been following the series ever since, and now I consider myself a fan of the new version.

This recent re-discovery of the franchise has prompted an interest in the earlier years as well. Maybe I should give those a second chance too, now that I'm older and wiser? So I've considered starting at the beginning, with the first season in 1963 and 1964."

Since I posted this, I've now come to season 6 (the second doctor) and am slowly working my way through it all.

 
 
 Posted:   May 23, 2013 - 3:05 AM   
 By:   Rick15   (Member)

Alright you two whiners...I'll chip in.... wink

It is very hard for me to rate my favourite Doctors in the new series. I loved each of them as I saw them and it took me a while to warm to each new incarnation. Having said that...

Doctors:

1. Matt Smith (Just loving this guys run at the moment)
2. David Tennant (Never thought I would enjoy watching another person play the Doctor after him. And then Matt Smith came along...)
3. Chris Eccleston (and only because he only did one series. It's too hard to rate him against multiple series actors)

Companions:

1. Without a doubt Amy Pond
2. Donna Noble
3. Clara (Hard to judge after one series though)
4. Martha
5. Rose ( and it feels unfair rating her here. I remember being really disappointed when I heard Billy Piper was going to leave the show. But i feel that each new companion has been...well...better)




 
 
 Posted:   May 23, 2013 - 3:10 AM   
 By:   Rick15   (Member)



Smith is an excellent extension of the animated Tenth Doctor. Slightly less convincing when drawing out the wrath of the Time Lord.


I have to disagree with that. I think Matt is naturally great as the whimsical Doctor but when he is dark - I find him entirely convincing and engaging. And angry.

 
 Posted:   May 23, 2013 - 3:56 AM   
 By:   Jehannum   (Member)

Christopher Ecclestone - good actor but he'll never be the incarnation that springs to mind when I hear the phrase 'Doctor Who'.

David Tennant - I was getting fed up with Russell T Davies at this point so didn't watch much of the series.

Matt Smith - Excellent. My favourite of the three and since Tom Baker.

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Amy Pond - started off a little wooden. Developed as a character and an actress and became one of my favourite companions of all time. Her last series was not quite up to scratch, though.

Martha - forgettable, somewhat annoying cipher.

Rose - good actress. No real attachment to the character for me.

Clara - completely exceeded my (prejudiced) expectations so far. Very beautiful in a Diana Rigg-type way. Versatile actress. Likeable. All positive.

Donna - Catherine Tate is too well-known as a comedian for me to take her character seriously. Annoying accent and voice. Didn't watch many of her episodes.


PS. Can everyone please stop calling Doctor Who a "franchise"? McDonald's is a franchise. Doctor Who is a television programme.

 
 Posted:   May 23, 2013 - 4:10 AM   
 By:   Mr Greg   (Member)

Doctors:

1) David Tennant
2) Matt Smith (though after the last couple of episodes he's in danger of taking the number 1 spot)
3) Christopher Ecclestone

(This might look a little unfair to Eccy...but he's not "the worst" - he's my least favourite...and some moments of his all-too-brief tenure still rank among the most dramatic moments of Who...ever...and if you haven't seen the episode "Dalek" yet, you need to rethink your priorities!! wink ).

Companions:

This is too tough - I can't rank them. Each has strengths and weaknesses for me...all are so different. My favourite would possibly be Donna Noble, but going to suggest that this is probably because it was such a change to go from the unrequited love of the previous season to the "Who the hell do you think you are?" type attitude...it just drew an extra level of realism for me...and DAMN she surprised me with her straight acting ability...

Honourable mention to Strax, too!!

 
 Posted:   May 23, 2013 - 4:17 AM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

Smith
Eccleston
Tennant

Never really warmed to Tennant. Never really warmed to the show, either: as a general thing, I enjoy the Doctor himself, but find both Davies' and Moffat's showrunning to leave a lot to be desired, and often find it difficult to make it through a series of New Who.

 
 
 Posted:   May 23, 2013 - 4:27 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

PS. Can everyone please stop calling Doctor Who a "franchise"? McDonald's is a franchise. Doctor Who is a television programme.

Television series, films, comic books, books, video games etc. -- how is DOCTOR WHO not a franchise?

 
 Posted:   May 23, 2013 - 5:08 AM   
 By:   Jehannum   (Member)

Television series, films, comic books, books, video games etc. -- how is DOCTOR WHO not a franchise?

The 50 minute long thing you watch each week, which is the subject of this thread, is a television programme. It is not a franchise. A franchise is a business model which is licensed to multiple businesses. Doctor Who is not a business model; it's a character, a concept, a particular design of spaceship. Comic books, video games etc. are simply licensed products.

I don't like the use of the word 'franchise' with cherished TV programmes. To me it's a word, probably an Americanism in this usage, redolent of business - moneymaking, suits, adding machines: the last thing I want to think about when discussing the creative aspects of a TV show.

 
 
 Posted:   May 23, 2013 - 5:12 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Hmmm....never thought about the 'negative' associations of the word. Many of the things I love that are ripe with creativity would be considered 'franchises' (ALIEN, STAR WARS, LOTR etc.). A business model doesn't necessarily preclude creativity or ingenuity. It CAN, but it doesn't have to.

I don't see how DOCTOR WHO is any different from any other successful franchise that is nonetheless creative and aesthetically interesting.

 
 Posted:   May 23, 2013 - 5:18 AM   
 By:   Jehannum   (Member)

Hmmm....never thought about the 'negative' associations of the word. Many of the things I love that are ripe with creativity would be considered 'franchises' (ALIEN, STAR WARS, LOTR etc.). A business model doesn't necessarily preclude creativity or ingenuity. It CAN, but it doesn't have to.

I don't see how DOCTOR WHO is any different from any other successful franchise that is nonetheless creative and aesthetically interesting.


A franchise is an off-the-peg model, which doesn't exactly make it a particularly creative environment, I feel. But, ho hum, the word is now being used in this way all the time so I suppose I'll have to put up with it.

Anyway, back to the Doctor and his companions. smile

 
 Posted:   May 23, 2013 - 7:00 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

@ Rick15-

Alright you two whiners...I'll chip in.

One thing I have learned in life. The squeaky wheel gets greased first. big grin
I see our lists are almost identical!

@ Thor-

my first encounter with DOCTOR WHO was in the mid 80's. We had a cable television package in our house at the time, with access to Super Channel and Sky Channel. One of these channels occasionally showed old WHO serials. I think it was mostly the Tom Baker years, because I remember his attire and curly hair. I remember tuning in briefly, but it didn't connect with me. Too 'cheap' production values with cardboardy props and whatnot. So I brushed it off as too silly for my taste, even as a young kid, and never visited the franchise again.

Exact same story for me. An older friend tried to get me into Doctor Who in the old Tom Baker days. I was pretty young but even at that age I saw the stark sets, shoe string budget and found the stories extremely silly.

Even when the series started up again I wasn't hooked right away. Better production values but it still seemed kind of silly. I'm not sure what got me hooked on series three. I just started watching it one day and I was eventually drawn in.

@ Jehannum -

No disrespect meant by calling it a franchise.

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I'm re-watching series five as I write. Loving it even more. Karen was tremendous. Especially in very dramatic moments like the end of Vincent and when she lost Rory in Cold Blood.
I would say 10 of the 13 episodes were excellent this series.

 
 
 Posted:   May 24, 2013 - 1:12 AM   
 By:   Rick15   (Member)

@ Rick15-

Alright you two whiners...I'll chip in.

One thing I have learned in life. The squeaky wheel gets greased first. big grin
I see our lists are almost identical!


Yep. They were. And although I lurk more than I post - I've noticed similar tastes via other posts that you have contributed to.

I thought season 5 was a great season for the Doctor. (It was Matt Smith's first season?)

As I mentioned before - I really liked Ecclestone's take on the Doctor. Would have liked to seen more of him in the role. It took me a while to warm to David Tennant but when I did...well. wow. I thought he was brilliant.

Then along came Matt Smith. I enjoyed his version of the Doctor from his first episode.

Maybe that was a combination of things....He was good. Amy was gorgeous. And Murray Gold came up with a theme for this Doctor that (for me) knocked it out of the park.

 
 Posted:   May 24, 2013 - 4:11 AM   
 By:   Heath   (Member)

Television series, films, comic books, books, video games etc. -- how is DOCTOR WHO not a franchise?

The 50 minute long thing you watch each week, which is the subject of this thread, is a television programme. It is not a franchise. A franchise is a business model which is licensed to multiple businesses. Doctor Who is not a business model; it's a character, a concept, a particular design of spaceship. Comic books, video games etc. are simply licensed products.

I don't like the use of the word 'franchise' with cherished TV programmes. To me it's a word, probably an Americanism in this usage, redolent of business - moneymaking, suits, adding machines: the last thing I want to think about when discussing the creative aspects of a TV show.


Completely agree with all of that. I find the word to be quite creepy.

 
 Posted:   May 24, 2013 - 11:09 AM   
 By:   Michael Scorefan   (Member)

My rankings:

The Doctor: 1. The 10th Doctor (hands down for me); 2. The 9th Doctor (it took a little while before I warmed up to him, but he won me over); and 3. The 11th Doctor. I am less fond of the Matt Smith era, not so much because of Smith's performance, but because of the way the Doctor has been written. There are too many episodes where Smith's Doctor is too passive and reacts to what is going on, as opposed to taking a more active role in driving the story. I also don't care for the episodes where the 11th Doctor is woefully ignorant of Earth's cultures and technology. This is someone who is supposed to have a vast array of knowledge of endless planets, cultures, and species, and who is supposed to have taken a very special interest in Earth, but who then appears to be clueless about basic things. He is also snarky, and can be downright rude to many people, whereas the other two doctors seem to have a genuine love for humanity, its flaws and all.

Companions: 1. Rose Tyler (hands down again); 2. Donna Noble (she had her moments, but Rose was superior in every way.); 3. Martha Jones (her unrequited love for the Doctor got annoying and creepy, and her personality changed radically between series); 4. Amy Pond (annoying. 'nuff said). I haven't seen the current series yet, as I am waiting for it to appear on Netflix, so it is unfair for me to judge the latest companion.

 
 
 Posted:   May 24, 2013 - 11:24 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

My rankings:

The Doctor: 1. The 10th Doctor (hands down for me); 2. The 9th Doctor (it took a little while before I warmed up to him, but he won me over); and 3. The 11th Doctor. I am less fond of the Matt Smith era, not so much because of Smith's performance, but because of the way the Doctor has been written. There are too many episodes where Smith's Doctor is too passive and reacts to what is going on, as opposed to taking a more active role in driving the story. I also don't care for the episodes where the 11th Doctor is woefully ignorant of Earth's cultures and technology. This is someone who is supposed to have a vast array of knowledge of endless planets, cultures, and species, and who is supposed to have taken a very special interest in Earth, but who then appears to be clueless about basic things. He is also snarky, and can be downright rude to many people, whereas the other two doctors seem to have a genuine love for humanity, its flaws and all.

Companions: 1. Rose Tyler (hands down again); 2. Donna Noble (she had her moments, but Rose was superior in every way.); 3. Martha Jones (her unrequited love for the Doctor got annoying and creepy, and her personality changed radically between series); 4. Amy Pond (annoying. 'nuff said). I haven't seen the current series yet, as I am waiting for it to appear on Netflix, so it is unfair for me to judge the latest companion.


Cool, Michael, we seem to share a similar taste on both of those things. Matt Smith is too whimsical and all-over-the-place for me, even though I've warmed to him somewhat over the last couple of seasons.

 
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